Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Andycoleno9 said:
This window has potential to be best in ages. Rw, world class defender, attacking right full back. But if we lose Paul then our central midfield becomes midtable at best. We just can't afford to lose Pogba (despite all the talks how good/bad he was for us). He is top and unique midfielder.

My opinion is that Pogba is not Bruno/Modric type of player; someone who makes team better on his own. Pogba is type of player who plays the best when he is in top squad. He is lets say cherry on top.
And now our squad will be great next season so he will be too.

Yeah, if we lose him i will be (football wise) devastated.
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Genuine question and a highly unlikely scenario. If he goes and then we win our first major trophy under Ole - would you still be devastated?

Also a second, more likely scenario, let’s say we win an FA cup (not a major title but decent trophy) and otherwise have a similar season as the last one.That would be our best season under Ole. Is that not worth the trade off?

I don’t think anyone is debating how good a player he is but there’s a very real possibility we could better as a team without him.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
This window has potential to be best in ages. Rw, world class defender, attacking right full back. But if we lose Paul then our central midfield becomes midtable at best. We just can't afford to lose Pogba (despite all the talks how good/bad he was for us). He is top and unique midfielder.

My opinion is that Pogba is not Bruno/Modric type of player; someone who makes team better on his own. Pogba is type of player who plays the best when he is in top squad. He is lets say cherry on top.
And now our squad will be great next season so he will be too.

Yeah, if we lose him i will be (football wise) devastated.
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That would be all the worse if we lose him for free next summer. I would take whatever we can get for him, replace him as best we can and learn from our mistake. We should never buy anyone that doesn't 100% want to be at United. Personally, I think Pogba only ever saw united as a bridge to Madrid anyway and now that hasn't materialized for him so he is hot and cold all the time. He seems to give 100% effort a few times per year but that's maybe just to keep his value up, who knows how he thinks.
 
If Mbappe makes it clear he won't renew at PSG, would they turn down Pogba and Martial swap for him? Provided United can convince Mbappe to come to the premier league and challenge himself, rather than go to a sinking La Liga.
 
buchansleftleg said:
He will come to symbolise a time when the clubs transfer strategy was lead more by marketing clout than footballing instincts and tactics. At the time we bought him the club was looking for big names in world football to arrest the decline of the club. Some, Like Zlatan, played hard, worked hard and earned their corn.

Pogba had the chance to grow into whatever type of player he wanted. It's just unfortunate that in Deschamps and the Translator he had 2 terrible managers who did not develop him, but either indulged or used him to create drama. However under Ole he hasn't made any progress, unlike other players.

In the long run he will largely be forgotten as a Manchester United Player, seen as an irrelevance in the grander scheme of things, as he has never seemed to truly put others or the team before himself. He'll probably be missed more by the players than the fans.
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Agree with this. For all the squeals of his supporters about how the club has somehow failed him, it is just nothing more than a transfer that didn’t work. A bloody expensive and high profile one at that. He doesn’t deserve to be remembered, he hasn’t earned it.
 
Would be astonishing if Pogba left when we are strengthening the team as we do this summer. Our squad is very, very strong on paper now.
 
charlenefan said:
He'll be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Veron, for better or worse

No player post Fergie has done anything on the pitch to warrant a all time fan favourite tag imo
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Some have, but it's difficult for a club of so many past glories to have players in the pantheon that peaked during a far less illustrious time.

De Gea got closest with some really solid seasons and absolute heroics in 17-18. If he had left then instead of signing the mammoth contract and going downhill since, I have no doubt he'd go down as an all time fan favourite. The last 2-3 years have soured this somehow though.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Genuine question and a highly unlikely scenario. If he goes and then we win our first major trophy under Ole - would you still be devastated?

Also a second, more likely scenario, let’s say we win an FA cup (not a major title but decent trophy) and otherwise have a similar season as the last one.That would be our best season under Ole. Is that not worth the trade off?

I don’t think anyone is debating how good a player he is but there’s a very real possibility we could better as a team without him.
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He could also go and win the CL and the WC during the next 15 months while we win nothing. Hypotheticals mean nothing.

Your post reads like he's the one stopping the team from winning trophies which can't be further from the truth.
 
Judas said:
It's already shaping up to be one of the best in ages? The way we're going about things there's no way we don't buy at least one midfielder in my opinion.
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In theory it could be. Sancho is a good start, it really is only a start though.
 
RUCK4444 said:
We would definitely need two. We are making good strides forward but losing Pogba (IMO at least) is a bigger loss than many make out here.

We definitely need an improved DM and if Pogba does go we need a midfielder who can progress the ball and play it forwards effectively. Otherwise you watch the pressure mount on Bruno's shoulders (regardless of the added creativity from Sancho.)
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I'd agree, I cant see two CM's coming in as well as Sancho, A CB and maybe a right back though.
 
Idxomer said:
He could also go and win the CL and the WC during the next 15 months while we win nothing. Hypotheticals mean nothing.

Your post reads like he's the one stopping the team from winning trophies which can't be further from the truth.
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Not at all - just a question. I don’t think he’s stopping us winning anything.

If he did leave United and won everything it wouldn’t mean much as long as we got back to winning. Sometimes player do better in different leagues or sometimes they just need a change.
 
If we get 40-50 million for him now and after buying Sancho & Verane surely the net spend this transfer window looks good so we could get in a good replacement for midfield.
 
With the world cup looming he must want game time. I think he will sign an extension or be sold. I can't see him running his contract down. If I am wrong then I hope Ole doesn't play him.
 
There is literally no way he’s leaving. I don’t understand why anyone is taking about it. It is NOT in his best interests to leave now as he has the option of ONE team. In January, he’ll have the option of most teams and Mino will get trucks of money too.
IMO he’ll see out the season and leave or realise that Barca, Madrid and Juve are all pretty skint and actually we’ll pay him the most and re-sign with us.
There’s no chance he joins PSG. Not only do I think he’s too smart to spend his prime years in a trash league but he has said before he won’t play for them and seemingly, their fans don’t want him either!
 
Lemansky said:
Would be astonishing if Pogba left when we are strengthening the team as we do this summer. Our squad is very, very strong on paper now.
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Hard to know what's really being said behind closed doors though.

Looking at Solskjaer's squad, the way he wants to play and how much emphasis he puts on only wanting players who really want to be here (See Lukaku and Sanchez) It really wouldn't surprise me if he's told the board to look at any offers that come in.

I don't think Pogba suits the '2' in midfield. Bruno Fernandes is the #10 and I can't see Pogba playing much on the left now that Sancho is in.

I think Solskjaer would be more than happy to get £50m for Pogba and reinvest it in a CM who can play in the 2 and won't bring a circus. And it wouldn't surprise me if behind the scenes Pogba would be more open to staying than we're lead to believe. Raiola will make it seem like Pogba's choice anyway to save face.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Genuine question and a highly unlikely scenario. If he goes and then we win our first major trophy under Ole - would you still be devastated?

Also a second, more likely scenario, let’s say we win an FA cup (not a major title but decent trophy) and otherwise have a similar season as the last one.That would be our best season under Ole. Is that not worth the trade off?

I don’t think anyone is debating how good a player he is but there’s a very real possibility we could better as a team without him.
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This is not fanboy stuff. I just think that we are far better team with Pogba and that he would be hard to replace.
If we will win PL with Jones and Lingard in midfield then great.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
This is not fanboy stuff. I just think that we are far better team with Pogba and that he would be hard to replace.
If we will win PL with Jones and Lingard in midfield then great.
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I personally think we should be a better team with him but it's also fair, in my mind, to think it's very possible we could sell him and replace him with someone not as 'good' individually but who makes us better overall.

Ole's midfield system is two defensive CMs, ball winners and then ball carriers when needed with Bruno free in front of them. Pogba can't fit into that CM role (probably to the detriment of our style of play but this isn't an Ole In/out thread) and Bruno is better in this setup than him, hence why he's been in this weird LW slot. Essentially he can't dislodge the three first choice CMs and since Rashford's form nosedived LW is up for grabs and we slotted him in there. Bear in mind if we had a really good LW, Pogba might well just have been benched for most of this year.

If you asked me would I want Pogba in my team in general, than yes of course I would but in this team, specifically this tactical setup, he has struggled since forever for consistency.
 
charlenefan said:
He'll be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Veron, for better or worse

No player post Fergie has done anything on the pitch to warrant a all time fan favourite tag imo
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Probably one for another thread, but surely Bruno is there if not very close?

Would argue Zlatan sealed it as well, and probably Martial despite him being terrible all of last season (that's what scoring on your debut vs. Liverpool will do for your cult status....)

I think both Luke and Harry will also get there but not yet.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
This is not fanboy stuff. I just think that we are far better team with Pogba and that he would be hard to replace.
If we will win PL with Jones and Lingard in midfield then great.
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People think Pogba adds nothing. We will miss him, even though he is far from the perfect player. If we lose him, we need to invest again. And there is no chance Saul or any of these players will be as good
 
sugar_kane said:
Probably one for another thread, but surely Bruno is there if not very close?

Would argue Zlatan sealed it as well, and probably Martial despite him being terrible all of last season (that's what scoring on your debut vs. Liverpool will do for your cult status....)

I think both Luke and Harry will also get there but not yet.
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Bruno still has a way to go, but he's going in the right direction, same for Shaw and Maguire. Zlatan no, Martial are you having a laugh?
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Let’s sell Maguire, Shaw, Bruno & the rest of the senior squad. . .

What a stupid point to make.
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I'm sorry but he is holding the club to hostage.. why would you want such a player at the club?

He got offered 350k a week, he wants 450k.... What has he done to even deserve the 350k?
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
We can't get a decent performance out of him.
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I dont understand how people can watch us play all the time, and still think Pogba isnt one of our better performers. Last season he was among our best players along with Shaw, Bruno, Maguire and Cavani. Stats also bear that out : in the whoscored rating, he is #4 behind Bruno, AWB and Rashford and he is followed by Maguire and Shaw.

Is he inconsistent sometimes? Yes. But that doesnt negate the previous point. He also had an excellent euros. He is not this shitty midfielder that people make him out to be(nor is he a worldbeater), he is among our better players.

However he doesnt really fit in our system, so he should go. He will go to a team that plays 4-3-3, and play brilliantly. I'm sure of it.
 
sugar_kane said:
Probably one for another thread, but surely Bruno is there if not very close?

Would argue Zlatan sealed it as well, and probably Martial despite him being terrible all of last season (that's what scoring on your debut vs. Liverpool will do for your cult status....)

I think both Luke and Harry will also get there but not yet.
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Bruno's probably the one who's most on his way, they'll all be hero's if they win us back the title
 
Highfather_24 said:
I dont understand how people can watch us play all the time, and still think Pogba isnt one of our better performers. Last season he was among our best players along with Shaw, Bruno, Maguire and Cavani. Stats also bear that out : in the whoscored rating, he is #4 behind Bruno, AWB and Rashford and he is followed by Maguire and Shaw.

Is he inconsistent sometimes? Yes. But that doesnt negate the previous point. He also had an excellent euros. He is not this shitty midfielder that people make him out to be(nor is he a worldbeater), he is among our better players.

However he doesnt really fit in our system, so he should go. He will go to a team that plays 4-3-3, and play brilliantly. I'm sure of it.
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Because their opinion is agenda driven.

They don’t like him so they create their own version of events.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
This window has potential to be best in ages. Rw, world class defender, attacking right full back. But if we lose Paul then our central midfield becomes midtable at best. We just can't afford to lose Pogba (despite all the talks how good/bad he was for us). He is top and unique midfielder.

My opinion is that Pogba is not Bruno/Modric type of player; someone who makes team better on his own. Pogba is type of player who plays the best when he is in top squad. He is lets say cherry on top.
And now our squad will be great next season so he will be too.

Yeah, if we lose him i will be (football wise) devastated.
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He has a year left on his deal and has rejected a new contract. It's not a case of "losing him" this summer - selling him is the best outcome for us now and would be a win for the club. It's either that or he leaves on a free transfer (for the second time!).
 
Adisa said:
PSG will leave this till the end of the window then lowball us.
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Would make sense for them to do so. Can we spend on a midfielder(s) in anticipation of that is the question.
 
romufc said:
I'm sorry but he is holding the club to hostage.. why would you want such a player at the club?

He got offered 350k a week, he wants 450k.... What has he done to even deserve the 350k?
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I'm not suggesting he is worth it, but as one of the Top 10 most marketable players in the world (has more followers on Social media than Manchester United), he has plenty of room to negotiate a 'highest paid' kind of deal wherever he goes.

No one can say he doesn't deliver on the pitch. He has clear strengths and obviously some limitations, but all things considered he is certainly one of the most gifted midfielders in the current game.

Put the 'influencer' status next to his obvious football ability and indeed he is worth the money for clubs, because like it or not, the influencer/social media concept is a ridiculously large tool for bringing in the money. Players surround themselves with agents who quantify this and as such they want and justify a slice of the cake.

Why are La Liga so keen for Messi to stay, even on stupidly high record breaking wages? Because he brings eyes to the screen everytime he plays. On a lesser scale for sure, Pogba absolutely does the same.

I don't like the way it works, and it simply highlights how different a product football is now to how it was in my youth.
 
Who is a good replacement that is currently available? Can't think of too many players.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Why are La Liga so keen for Messi to stay, even on stupidly high record breaking wages? Because he brings eyes to the screen everytime he plays. On a lesser scale for sure, Pogba absolutely does the same.

I don't like the way it works, and it simply highlights how different a product football is now to how it was in my youth.
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I agree on the influencer theory, he is marketable but we have also just signed Sancho who is just as marketable. Sancho is not just a big buy on the pitch but commercially just as big.

Pogba however; through his agent does disrespect the club, why would we want to pay those wages for someone who every 6 months will disrupt things?

Also, comparing Messi is not really fair, he delivers the good on the pitch, Pogba is talent and gift but what Messi does is no where near in comparison to Pogba. Messi scores, creates big goals, carries the Barca team in ways Pogba can't.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I dont understand how people can watch us play all the time, and still think Pogba isnt one of our better performers. Last season he was among our best players along with Shaw, Bruno, Maguire and Cavani. Stats also bear that out : in the whoscored rating, he is #4 behind Bruno, AWB and Rashford and he is followed by Maguire and Shaw.

Is he inconsistent sometimes? Yes. But that doesnt negate the previous point. He also had an excellent euros. He is not this shitty midfielder that people make him out to be(nor is he a worldbeater), he is among our better players.

However he doesnt really fit in our system, so he should go. He will go to a team that plays 4-3-3, and play brilliantly. I'm sure of it.
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They include the period where he was getting over covid that skewed some of the stats against him to confirm their bias. In their minds, he didn't need any period of recovery and he should've gotten back to form right away.
 
This is going to end up with Madrid getting Pogba, Mbappe and Camavinga for free next summer
 
romufc said:
I agree on the influencer theory, he is marketable but we have also just signed Sancho who is just as marketable. Sancho is not just a big buy on the pitch but commercially just as big.

Pogba however; through his agent does disrespect the club, why would we want to pay those wages for someone who every 6 months will disrupt things?

Also, comparing Messi is not really fair, he delivers the good on the pitch, Pogba is talent and gift but what Messi does is no where near in comparison to Pogba. Messi scores, creates big goals, carries the Barca team in ways Pogba can't.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting Pogba and Messi are comparable on delivery, but both clubs are desperate for them simply because they bring an audience who would move quite fluidly to another club if they were to transfer.

Sancho probably can be a commercially big hit, but he's still someway off Pogba in having that kind of audience. Definitely has the potential to be a proper household name though, no doubts.

On a personal note and how I see football, I'd rather we cut ties and that level of drama disappeared. But from a business perspective I can completely see why United will fight to keep him, even at a higher fixed cost than before. Also add in the Adidas factor and it keeps your highest yielding sponsor happy.
 
Clubs are too soft with players. Sign or leave now. If you stay and run your contract down then you won't play.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I dont understand how people can watch us play all the time, and still think Pogba isnt one of our better performers. Last season he was among our best players along with Shaw, Bruno, Maguire and Cavani. Stats also bear that out : in the whoscored rating, he is #4 behind Bruno, AWB and Rashford and he is followed by Maguire and Shaw.

Is he inconsistent sometimes? Yes. But that doesnt negate the previous point. He also had an excellent euros. He is not this shitty midfielder that people make him out to be(nor is he a worldbeater), he is among our better players.

However he doesnt really fit in our system, so he should go. He will go to a team that plays 4-3-3, and play brilliantly. I'm sure of it.
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Feel exactly the same. I’ve said it before it’s like I’m watching different games to these people
 
Escobar said:
People think Pogba adds nothing. We will miss him, even though he is far from the perfect player. If we lose him, we need to invest again. And there is no chance Saul or any of these players will be as good
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People look at Pogba through assists and goals which is ridiculous. He is central midfielder (most of times even dmc) whos main job is to be playmaker. To start our attacks. Our general game with Pogba and without Pogba is day and night.
 
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