Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

When i see players like pogba and his agents my respect for players like Cavani only increases.
Never heard too much noise from Cavani or his agent even when he was at PSG
 
Once again, drama around this squad player. Even if he has big highs, he have shown average performances for the most of the time. Just leave the club and Good luck wherever you go.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Entirely dependent on a few things.

1. Do we believe those figures? It's only one report so I don't.

2. If it is those figures it depends what would be our plan for not having him.

3. If our plan after selling Pogba is to just get a DM and then play then with Bruno and either Fred or VDB then I personally would be very against that idea. I don't think those Midfields will be good enough at top level. Especially if the DM doesn't contain a brilliant range of passing

In this scenario I'd rather keep Pogba and sign a DM as it benefits the team more In my opinion.

4. If our plan is to sell Pogba and make a new midfield with a DM CM and Bruno then I'd be very ok with that. I'd still like Pogba but if he wants to go and we actually will replace him properly then that is fine.

5. For me these things are never simple. Whether he is worth said money is more dependent on what our plans would be without him. Right now if he leaves our Midfield options behind Bruno are very poor. It would need a hell of an overhaul. One that ensures we get the right players in who can hit the ground running. Atleast one of those players would need a brilliant passing range as our current options do not bar Pogba.


So really it's a loaded question. Without knowing the outcome it's hard to say wether its worth it.

I can only guess what I think the club will do. And if I was to guess I'd say IF we sell Pogba we will get just a DM and go into next season with a Midfield that is more solid defensively but is a hell of a lot more limited at servicing our now brilliant attack.


And it would be a hell of a shame to have our attack and not the players to provide it.

That is why the Pogba situation is so complicated. It's not black or white. It's not we should keep or we should sell. Wether its beneficial or detrimental is entirely up in the air.

That unknown is nearly why I'd lean towards keep and risk losing him on the free. Which is apparently some people in the club's thoughts as well.
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Yeah scenario 4 is the ideal situation but like you say looks most likely we try to sign a DM and risk losing him on a free
 
Sell, use the money to get Saul. Move on.

Him and his agent have over stayed their welcome. Ciao.
 
stevoc said:
If pogba leaves it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him. Not because he's not extremely talented but because he's rarely performed to his potential for us and 2 managers now have had trouble trying to fit him into a balanced formation.
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True, Any one from Goretzka/Saul/Aouar/Zelineski can vastly improve us as we can play as a team, and we can get one of them for sure with pogba's money.
 
sp_107 said:
When i see players like pogba and his agents my respect for players like Cavani only increases.
Never heard too much noise from Cavani or his agent even when he was at PSG
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The agents represent the interests of the players. We as fans just like to pretend it's the agents influencing things to absolve the players of any blame. The agents do exactly what their clients desire. Raiola represents a massive amount of players, but outside of Pogs, Ibra, Donnarumma and more recently Haaland, you never hear much about his other clients, because they aren't agitating for things to happen like the others would be.
 
croadyman said:
Would no doubt be humiliating to lose him on a free again, however also concerned that knowing our owners we won't get the 2 different types of midfielder needed in order to replace his output
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We need the money more than we need Pogba stinking up the place for the next 12 months. Him and his fat twat agent will be sat around a desk, posing for pictures while he's signing a new contract elsewhere on January 2nd. We don't need the drama this year.

Just one decent CM or DM will do. Change the formation and go Bruno and VDB or Jesse with Fred, McTomminay, Garner or new signing in the hole behind. We can manage with that for a year.
 
Personally, I think his replacement was signed last season in Donny Van De Beek. We all knew this was coming.

We'll only sign one midfielder this summer, and i think it'll be a more defensive one. A holder with Bruno and one of Van De Beek/Fred/McTominay playing a more progressive role will give us more against the lesser sides where we struggled last season.
 
I want to add the fact that he offers nothing defensively, he is has been a big liability there
 
Cloud7 said:
The agents represent the interests of the players. We as fans just like to pretend it's the agents influencing things to absolve the players of any blame. The agents do exactly what their clients desire. Raiola represents a massive amount of players, but outside of Pogs, Ibra, Donnarumma and more recently Haaland, you never hear much about his other clients, because they aren't agitating for things to happen like the others would be.
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It's quite clear that Raiola benefits most from his big stars moving clubs, but you're right, players have to take responsibility. If my agent came out publicly saying something that wasn't true, he'd be gone. Pogba doesn't want to be here, and hasn't for a while. When he wants to be somewhere (eg the Euros this summer), he shows up as the player we thought we were getting.
 
crossy1686 said:
We need the money more than we need Pogba stinking up the place for the next 12 months. Him and his fat twat agent will be sat around a desk, posing for pictures while he's signing a new contract elsewhere on January 2nd. We don't need the drama this year.

Just one decent CM or DM will do. Change the formation and go Bruno and VDB or Jesse with Fred, McTomminay, Garner or new signing in the hole behind. We can manage with that for a year.
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Would you prefer a DM like Rice/Ndidi, a DLP like Neves or a CM like Saul, of course the other option is Camavinga who can offer something defensively and going forward but would Ole play him much is the question and how keen to come here actually is he
 
croadyman said:
Would you prefer a DM like Rice, Ndidi, a DLP like Neves or a CM like Saul
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Depends what we need I suppose. I don't think signing an all action midfielder is the way to go. It will cost a fortune in fee and salary, and probably not fit the team very well. I think we're probably best of going the route of Neves or Saul as a DM.

Let Bruno and the other AM wander around and keep the other DM back. As long as positioning is great and they can thread a ball through the lines to the feet of the AM's or wingers we should be fine. If we need more legs in the DM position we've always got McTomminay for that but we'll sacrifice passing ability.
 
croadyman said:
Would no doubt be humiliating to lose him on a free again
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It would but in a way, I’d be genuinely interested in seeing who would take him on with the huge wages he’d demand. He’s expensive and this output you mention doesn’t always warrant it.

I’ve not doubt he’d end up somewhere but unless he plays out of his skin while he stays here running his contract down, I just wonder what his value really would be. How much would a club be prepared to pay him?
 
crossy1686 said:
Depends what we need I suppose. I don't think signing an all action midfielder is the way to go. It will cost a fortune in fee and salary, and probably not fit the team very well. I think we're probably best of going the route of Neves or Saul as a DM.

Let Bruno and the other AM wander around and keep the other DM back. As long as positioning is great and they can thread a ball through the lines to the feet of the AM's or wingers we should be fine. If we need more legs in the DM position we've always got McTomminay for that but we'll sacrifice passing ability.
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Feel like Neves offers that passing ability through the lines better than Saul, however we have seemingly been interested in Niguez ever since those Moyes days of summer 2013 so maybe we go down that route instead
 
crossy1686 said:
There have been multiple reports as far back as last season that said United are in the market for Grealish or x player, but only if Pogba leaves. This isn't a surprise to anyone at the club, they will have a list or targets for sure.
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I hope so. I'll believe it when I see it.

They tend to tighten the purse strings when we get top 4. Sancho should have been last seasons signing really. Could've won us a trophy or challenged in the league potentially if we got him last Summer

Maybe the fan protests have pressured them to do more. Let's see. They didn't invest after Jose achieved 2nd. I hope history doesn't repeat.
 
RopersReturn said:
All very true and possibly one of the reasons we fail at international level.
We certainly have many gifted and capable players, but our obsession with playing endless back to back games, the ridiculous Christmas fixtures and the elephant in the room that’s the League Cup is just mindless.
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If I were the club bosses, i would revise my offer to re-sign. 20% cut in wages. See what happens. Will be interesting for watching clubs and cut down Minis choices.
 
He'sRaldo said:
I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.

The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.

But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.

Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.
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Spacegoating can become a thing! Thread please. Images with dramatic backgrounds. GOATS in space, featuring Maradona, Georgie Best and … Pogba?
 
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
 
Strelok said:
A closed friend of mine is a Juve fan. He laughed at me a lot when we bought him back. Guess this time he'd laugh to death I hope.
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We didn't ever have him though, not really. Phantom of a player, on his day unplayable otherwise he is a liability
 
Giggsy13 said:
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
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Yep, I said it earlier in the thread but in Sancho we already essentially have signed Pogba's replacement. Now we need to get in a proper defensive midfielder and we'll have a more complete team than with Pogba.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
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Mbappe isn't happening. It's Madrid or bust.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Entirely dependent on a few things.

1. Do we believe those figures? It's only one report so I don't.

2. If it is those figures it depends what would be our plan for not having him.

3. If our plan after selling Pogba is to just get a DM and then play then with Bruno and either Fred or VDB then I personally would be very against that idea. I don't think those Midfields will be good enough at top level. Especially if the DM doesn't contain a brilliant range of passing

In this scenario I'd rather keep Pogba and sign a DM as it benefits the team more In my opinion.

4. If our plan is to sell Pogba and make a new midfield with a DM CM and Bruno then I'd be very ok with that. I'd still like Pogba but if he wants to go and we actually will replace him properly then that is fine.

5. For me these things are never simple. Whether he is worth said money is more dependent on what our plans would be without him. Right now if he leaves our Midfield options behind Bruno are very poor. It would need a hell of an overhaul. One that ensures we get the right players in who can hit the ground running. Atleast one of those players would need a brilliant passing range as our current options do not bar Pogba.


So really it's a loaded question. Without knowing the outcome it's hard to say wether its worth it.

I can only guess what I think the club will do. And if I was to guess I'd say IF we sell Pogba we will get just a DM and go into next season with a Midfield that is more solid defensively but is a hell of a lot more limited at servicing our now brilliant attack.


And it would be a hell of a shame to have our attack and not the players to provide it.

That is why the Pogba situation is so complicated. It's not black or white. It's not we should keep or we should sell. Wether its beneficial or detrimental is entirely up in the air.

That unknown is nearly why I'd lean towards keep and risk losing him on the free. Which is apparently some people in the club's thoughts as well.
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It seems you have misunderstood my question and you are very confused, let me rephrase it. My question is about whether do you think Pogba's quality worth for 450k-500k p/w wages or no? If not how much maximum wages would you give him?

You don’t need to believe the figures, I’m just asking you a question. It’s like people ask someone what would you do if you have a trillion dollar. You don’t believe you can have trillion dollar but you can still answer the question what if you have it. The same with my question about Pogba
 
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Scholsey2004 said:
Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
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Is Mbappe before or after we sign Haaland?
 
I would think the biggest issue with contract extension would be the fee that his agent wants for signing or whatever b.s.

350K if true is a good wage. I doubt even PSG can give him much higher than that and we can probably match theirs.
 
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