We have players who can play on the right. Sancho actually is equally as effective if you have seen him on the left. This isn't a debate over whether Sancho is a super player. As said earlier if you compare Greenwood to Sancho in that position what is the gap? And is that gap big enough to make any difference. In other words, how big an improvement to the side does his arrival herald? I would argue it is not a big difference. And that the priority improvements are needed elsewhere and I would say midfield especially and that is without Pogba leaving. City won the league without what is called 'a striker' so go figure.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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Difference in theory should be huge as far as chance creation/assists.
Definitely not — because we are.Yep incredibly strong looking team. Bet they still don't win the UCL though
Even if he actually has rejected a contract offer, we're used to clubs rejecting our first bids for players as part of normal procedure in negotiations. Why should it be any different for a contract renewal. We're essentially sending off bids to the player.
But when it leaks to the press. What matters is what camp did it come from.
If from Pogba's camp it's to pressure the club into upping the bid, that it's close and he's willing to accept a slightly improved offer.
If leaked from the club's side it's to give an ultimatum that this either was or is very close to the final offer, so accept it or leave.
But when it leaks to the press. What matters is what camp did it come from.
If from Pogba's camp it's to pressure the club into upping the bid, that it's close and he's willing to accept a slightly improved offer.
If leaked from the club's side it's to give an ultimatum that this either was or is very close to the final offer, so accept it or leave.
Yeah but teams are far more than that. Pogba does more than the stats would reveal, otherwise McTominay is a better midfielder because he scored more goals than him last season from a defensive midfield position. But I don't know why I am defending Pogba he has been poison in the past and last season he had to turn something on because he was injured, and wanted to play for France and needed to put himself in the shop window if he wants to leave. Not a fan of the prima donna side of his game. And he probably is overrated. But even I recognise a Pogba fully committed is a beautiful thing to watch
The sooner he's gone the better it will be. He won't be here next season and I can't for the life of me see why we would offer him a pay rise when he has never been up front with his or his (agent provocateur)views.
Good post. Not like the shite from the Daily Mail posted after yours.
Most shocking thing for me is the realisation that PSG fans have emotions.
I think the same of PSG, city and Chelsea fans.. I assume they just walk robotically into the stadium and sit on their phones as their money doping players pretend to care
You would think that's a tiny subset of fans. That locker room will implode on itself if this transfer goes trough!
You are on fire! Good points; highlight was Fat Toad Raiola
I thought your talking about how much of an improvement Sancho is over Greenwood on the right?
I want Pogba to stay mate, been one of his biggest defenders on here. Imo will be a big step backwards if we lose him.
Not only is he the only deeper lying midfield player who can play the ball forwards but he also takes some of the creative burden away from Bruno.
You watch the pressure that will be lumped on Bruno, regardless of the added creativity of Sancho, the absence of Pogba will pile more pressure on Bruno.
He has to stay for Souness' sake. What else is he going to talk about when he is on the air?
United fans talk about Pogba as if we’re losing prime Ronaldo. And we actually did lose prime Ronaldo and were still successful!
Guess what, Man City walked the league last season and they didn’t have Pogba. Chelsea won the CL and they didn’t have Pogba. If he doesn’t want to be here he can go, it’s not like a team can only be successful if they have Paul fecking Pogba. The reactions are embarrassing.
Guess what, Man City walked the league last season and they didn’t have Pogba. Chelsea won the CL and they didn’t have Pogba. If he doesn’t want to be here he can go, it’s not like a team can only be successful if they have Paul fecking Pogba. The reactions are embarrassing.
So happy to lose him for free then?
He probably wouldnt unless sick of ligue 1 and nobody caring when they win it. Just an example of sort of player that would be way better for us that pogba
Reading this, you couldn’t see football more d differently to me.
Personally I think Greenwood has filled in that role as best he can but there’s a reason AWB has to be a beast defensively and why he’s so limited with options going forward. All I’ll say is I think it is highly likely Sancho balances our team out and we start to see a shift away from our attacks predominantly being built down the left. This will help everyone, makes us harder to predict and, crucially, just having a player who positionally knows the role (Greenwood is a striker and grew up mainly playing as a striker) will be telling when we play the deep defensive lower league teams.
CM is our area with the most depth and quality - Pogba, Bruno, Fred, Matic, McT, VdB…we’ve chosen to play a defensive pair and to play without a focus on offensive possession, that doesn’t mean we’re weak there. I want Ole to ditch the double pívot but, unless he does, what’s the point of a specialist DM who can sit alone? We’ve had Pogba for years and he ended up being shunted to LW…VdB doesn’t even play. It’s not a lack of quality it’s a conscious choice to play a limited but effective style.
This is strategic chess, maybe. Fat Toad 3d-style summer madness chess. Do PSG even want him? Maybe United want rid of him? Mini beats his drum. Plenty of smoke and mirrors, I’d suspect. One day this will end in PogTears, I predict
Oh.bum the quotes got all buggered up.
Does he really come across as daft off the pitch? I've always thought he was quite intelligent.
Right wing was by far the biggest hole in the squad and has been the highest priority everyone should be able to recognise that. Sancho is a far better winger than Greenwood who is quite obviously a striker (and a young one at that) just doing a job out there.
Plus Pogba rarely actually plays in midfield. Last season he was used on the wing quite a lot often with rashford having to play out of position on the right to accommodate him. So signing sancho makes sense.
If pogba leaves it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him. Not because he's not extremely talented but because he's rarely performed to his potential for us and 2 managers now have had trouble trying to fit him into a balanced formation.
Which reactions are embarrassing?
Those teams had better midfields than we do. So obviously if we sell Pogba we have to replace him quality.
Would no doubt be humiliating to lose him on a free again, however also concerned that knowing our owners we won't get the 2 different types of midfielder needed in order to replace his output
I agree with everything but the last paragraph. They’re a really good side right now, and some of the best of last generation; Cavani, Ibrahimovic, Silva — all went there around the same age too. A side like that should realistically be competing at a serious level in the CL next season.
If we ended up with Camavinga and another midfielder, I’d drive him to Paris myself. Hugely underwhelming signing - had so much promise, delivered so little.
Will be relieved when the circus finally moves on. He has wanted out for years and could have given so much more. Given how little he has played in the last couple of years I dont think we need to get a direct replacement either. We do need to strengthen our midfield though.
The “he’s irreplaceable” crowd. As if he hasn’t been wildly inconsistent the entire time he’s been here. He’s a fantastic player but yes we absolutely can and probably will be a better team without him. Him leaving won’t be a huge loss and will actually help balance the wage bill quite nicely.
Yeah wouldn't feel like so much of a loss IF the club brought in two midfielders but all reports seem to suggest it will only be one now and then we look at the situation again next summer along with replacing Edi too of course. I would like to believe that selling him has the same positive impact on the overall team as we saw when Coutinho left the scousers but the money involved there was very different.
We've just spent a record fee on a British player in a pandemic and you're throwing your toys out of the pram because we've not signed Varane, Rice, Camavinga etc yesterday. Chill out, the recruitment is going well but we're not going to pay 40m for Trippier and we're not going to pay £70m for Rice.
If Pogba leaves then so be it, but we'll not get players for a good value if we run around at the beginning of the window telling everyone we've got cash burning a hole in our pocket. These teams have to sell to balance their books and the closer we get to the end of the window the more realistic the prices will get. We've already agreed contracts with most of our targets, it's the clubs that are trying to bend us over. I've never understood the people who like to whinge about something that's not even happened yet. You can gripe all you want on September 1st if we haven't signed anyone else and Pogba has left, until then, stop being a soft arse.
There have been multiple reports as far back as last season that said United are in the market for Grealish or x player, but only if Pogba leaves. This isn't a surprise to anyone at the club, they will have a list or targets for sure.
I don't really feel for him like some do, that he went to a club in turmoil and wasted his career. For one, he was paid very handsomely and the fee is still our record transfer. He certainly has failed to live up to expectations. We've had 5 years under two very different managers, both of whom have tried their hardest to cater to his needs, where he just does not seem like a great tactical fit. On his day he's second to none, but that is likely a lot more due to mentality than it is to do with the most optimal conditions.
If we get upwards of 50m at this stage it will be good business. Probably better than tying him down to a new huge contract.
If we get upwards of 50m at this stage it will be good business. Probably better than tying him down to a new huge contract.
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Off he goes then. My concern is that if hes running down his contract that his performances will be even more inconsistent and invisible throughout the season. (If hes picked).
Hopefully they blame it on Marseille fans or somethingOh shit, somebody get that bloody thing down before he sees it.
It could all well be part of his contract negotiations. These kind of stories are par for the course when a player is renegotiating.
Doubtful, I think. Behind all the tabloid press he's always been professional on the pitch and with teammates even when he had a manager who he detested.
Precisely this. We promised him a lot but gave him nothing. He signed up for a new era of Zlatan, Mkhi and Jose. He was warmed into this idea of a new look United but it never happened .
It just wasn't a right fit. Just sell him and move on
We could do with a story along the lines of Juve, Madrid and Barcelona are all waiting until January to get him for nothing, unless PSG act now...
And is looking to leave our most exciting squad in nearly a decade. I think it might be his loss.
It's what we can realistically expect. What would be poor is no replacement. But we better make it a good one, proper top 4 quality. We could easily upgrade on every single one of our CMs and that is the real issue.
Entirely dependent on a few things.
1. Do we believe those figures? It's only one report so I don't.
2. If it is those figures it depends what would be our plan for not having him.
3. If our plan after selling Pogba is to just get a DM and then play then with Bruno and either Fred or VDB then I personally would be very against that idea. I don't think those Midfields will be good enough at top level. Especially if the DM doesn't contain a brilliant range of passing
In this scenario I'd rather keep Pogba and sign a DM as it benefits the team more In my opinion.
4. If our plan is to sell Pogba and make a new midfield with a DM CM and Bruno then I'd be very ok with that. I'd still like Pogba but if he wants to go and we actually will replace him properly then that is fine.
5. For me these things are never simple. Whether he is worth said money is more dependent on what our plans would be without him. Right now if he leaves our Midfield options behind Bruno are very poor. It would need a hell of an overhaul. One that ensures we get the right players in who can hit the ground running. Atleast one of those players would need a brilliant passing range as our current options do not bar Pogba.
So really it's a loaded question. Without knowing the outcome it's hard to say wether its worth it.
I can only guess what I think the club will do. And if I was to guess I'd say IF we sell Pogba we will get just a DM and go into next season with a Midfield that is more solid defensively but is a hell of a lot more limited at servicing our now brilliant attack.
And it would be a hell of a shame to have our attack and not the players to provide it.
That is why the Pogba situation is so complicated. It's not black or white. It's not we should keep or we should sell. Wether its beneficial or detrimental is entirely up in the air.
That unknown is nearly why I'd lean towards keep and risk losing him on the free. Which is apparently some people in the club's thoughts as well.
See that's where the club has fecked this.
When we didn't sign Jadon last summer a DM should have been brought in.
That way we should have sold Pogba and replaced him then this summer.
Now we are in a situation where we Arguably end up with a worse or atleast
More limited midfield on the ball than before.
Hence why so many would risk keeping him and signing a DM.