Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

[Nytram Shakes]

I am going to assume: Di Maria, Memphis, Martial, likely VDB in recent years. Previously a good few wanted Nani gone and even Ronaldo in his younger years. I agree with that poster to some degree, we like to preach about our love of skills and flair etc but ultimately there’s a massive portion of this fan base who only really care about ‘hard work’, ‘grit’ ‘determination’ and all the other cliches that hang around English football.

Hardly great num

He ain't going anywhere. He will sign a new deal to become our highest earner and will lead us to next seasons title alongside his fellow countryman varane, who will be our most influential defender next season.

Quote me if you like.

Or he will sign United biggest ever contract and continue to be inconsistent which he has been since he signed, and in a couple of years we have an Ozil/Sanchez/Rooney like situation where our highest earner is struggling to get in the team it has massively raised the wage demands again of every player, is nearly impossible to move on without paying the player to leave and the situation is just causing a massive distraction.

if you hand out those types of contracts the player has to be 100% key to the club. Pogba is 28 year old player who has never learned consistency, that there is still massive questions over his best position, has been dropped at times by the last 2 mangers for form and attitude and has reputation for going missing from games. That isn’t the kind of player you give that kind of contract too, even when they are as gifted as Pogba.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Neymar and Pogba, the ultimate YouTube highlight players - makes more and more sense Pogba would go to PSG.

 

[Mainoldo]

That has nothing to do with players who have flair though. More 'conventional' players get the same treatment. See how Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Scotty, Fred etc. are berated when they don't perform. Flair player or not, most important is performing, otherwise it's all pointless. What's more important than Martial playing well is the team playing well. Him sulking, not making runs off the ball, blowing extremely hot and cold etc. are the reasons why he isn't being taken in well here at the moment, not cause he's a flair player.

You cannot treat all players the same that’s not how it works. There has to be a certain respect for the players who are the most talented. That’s just football all the way down to grass roots. For some reason this club has fallen into the trap that all players are the same and they all need to work the same. We didn’t treat Cantona like that.

 

[Mainoldo]

Balance is important but so is quality. We are never going to win major honours with midfielders of the standard of Fred, Mctominay, VDB and Neves. If we're selling Pogba we really need to add someone properly gifted on the ball.

Also VDB is laughably bad and has to prove himself to be good enough for us let alone a qualiry player for us

PREACH

 

[Counterfactual]

You cannot treat all players the same that’s not how it works. There has to be a certain respect for the players who are the most talented. That’s just football all the way down to grass roots. For some reason this club has fallen into the trap that all players are the same and they all need to work the same. We didn’t treat Cantona like that.

He was the exception that proved the rule.

 

[SER19]

Getting verratti in place of pogba would be an enormous upgrade

 

[Idxomer]

Neymar and Pogba, the ultimate YouTube highlight players - makes more and more sense Pogba would go to PSG.

If you actually think that, you've never watched Neymar.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Have Martial and VdB left?

I must be missing something here.

They are in the process of being hounded out by a large majority of fans. Particularly martial, he should be loved for the kind of player he is.

 

[Red_toad]

Neymar and Pogba, the ultimate YouTube highlight players - makes more and more sense Pogba would go to PSG.

Shame in his absolute prime as a player wanting to play in a farmers league.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Would be incredibly naive to think that you don't need any of those to be successful. And, fans think about the results and performances which are mainly based on those qualities.

Some of the best attacking teams in last few decades have tons of those qualities. The likes of SAF, Jose, Pep, Klopp have had teams with those qualities.

Exactly! Which makes it all the stranger then when fans get frustrated with truly creative or flair players. Pogba is heavily scrutinised for losing the ball, forgetting the fact that he pretty much always produces at least one big chance per game. He’s also a joy to watch yet that seemingly gets ignored too.

 

[Judas]

They are in the process of being hounded out by a large majority of fans. Particularly martial, he should be loved for the kind of player he is.

We should love strikers who don't score many goals? Alright.

 

[Idxomer]

Getting verratti in place of pogba would be an enormous upgrade

Not when he's injured for more than half of the season and missing every big game.

 

[Mainoldo]

He was the exception that proved the rule.

No he wasn’t. CR7, RVP, RVN all got the same treatment.

There’s also plenty of players throughout world football who have it too.

 

[Mainoldo]

We should love strikers who don't score many goals? Alright.

We didn’t love him when he did. That’s the point.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

We should love strikers who don't score many goals? Alright.

Slightly reductive but expected when it comes to Martial. In fact in his time here at least up until last season he’s pretty much consistently delivered a good number of goals and assists. He’s just a great player to watch, excellent touch, great hold up play, pace, skill, dribbling. But he’s french, black, has a moody face and doesn’t run like Cavani so he’s never going to be loved and that’s the case for Pogba too.

 

[Schmeichel=God]

Back in Ferguson's day this is exactly the nouse and muscle the club would have shown. Unless Mbappe is not interested at all this is something we should be doing in order to inflate the perceived value of Paul. As a transfer alone I just know we're going to get robbed. With a forced hand in a hybrid swap deal + cash we'll hide a better valuation in it.

Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?

Exactly this. Keeping him on a stupid contract leaves us no wriggle room should we need in coming seasons. We're nearly there now with the De Gea deal. Then we've got Jones sat earning for nothing. This would imo undo all the good work Ole has done with the squad.

Balance of risk. Lose Paul quality vs maintain squad equilibrium. Imo everything balanced he should go. Some good comments in this thread on why we don't need him that desperately.

Hardly great num

Or he will sign United biggest ever contract and continue to be inconsistent which he has been since he signed, and in a couple of years we have an Ozil/Sanchez/Rooney like situation where our highest earner is struggling to get in the team it has massively raised the wage demands again of every player, is nearly impossible to move on without paying the player to leave and the situation is just causing a massive distraction.

if you hand out those types of contracts the player has to be 100% key to the club. Pogba is 28 year old player who has never learned consistency, that there is still massive questions over his best position, has been dropped at times by the last 2 mangers for form and attitude and has reputation for going missing from games. That isn’t the kind of player you give that kind of contract too, even when they are as gifted as Pogba.

 

[mazhar13]

Looks like a small group of PSG fans aren't taking the Pogba links well.

Banners against Paul Pogba's arrival at [both] the Parc des Princes and Camp des Loges [PSG's training HQ]. The message: "Pogba, you should listen to your mother; she doesn't want you here." "Neither do we."

Note that this isn't too common from PSG fans when it comes to links. They typically make banners for players who are set to arrive (like their banners about Peter Luccin).

[1st Tweet]
Unsigned banner…nobody pictured with…it still looks like an isolated act of a very large minority. On the networks, the supporters and it is rather logical, would love to have Paul Pogba at PSG.

[2nd Tweet]
This is, to my knowledge, a first. There had already been post-arrival banners (Luccin in particular) but I have no memory of banners during rumors.

 

[Mercurial]

He ain't going anywhere. He will sign a new deal to become our highest earner and will lead us to next seasons title alongside his fellow countryman varane, who will be our most influential defender next season.

Quote me if you like.

Leaving on a free is like a dream come true for Raiola, he doesn't operate on altruism.

 

[SER19]

Not when he's injured for more than half of the season and missing every big game.

Pogba or Verratti?

 

[Borys]

Neymar and Pogba, the ultimate YouTube highlight players - makes more and more sense Pogba would go to PSG.

Imagine the pure dancing ability in that PSG team.

 

[Ranchero]

Man Utd are heading towards another disaster transfer window. If Pogba leaves, we have nothing lined up to replace him. As much as the Jordan Sancho transfer to United catches the untrained eye, the fact is it is strengthening in an area where we are strong. Our weakest positions are in central midfield. With Pogba we are weak. Without him and with nothing lined up... we are toothless there. Another season of McTominay and Fred beckons. And while they have been good servants, if you compare them to Jorginho and Kante at Chelase...well the Stamford Bridge lads are a class apart.

Alll the excitement of the Sancho transfer was extracted as a result of how protracted it was. Like with Fernandes. Now the Verane deal is in trouble because Real want £50m and we will only pay £50m. The Trippier deal has gone quiet and interest in Eduardo Camavinga is stalling.

Right now we are nowhere near challenging for honours. Pogba's departure places us even further away.

 

[Summit]

Honestly wouldn't be arsed if he left. Imo one of the most infuriating players to watch and massively overrated. That good he can't cement his own position down and more than once last season the balance of the team suffered to shoehorn him in the side.

 

[MadDogg]

Exactly! Which makes it all the stranger then when fans get frustrated with truly creative or flair players. Pogba is heavily scrutinised for losing the ball, forgetting the fact that he pretty much always produces at least one big chance per game. He’s also a joy to watch yet that seemingly gets ignored too.

The issue is that he's playing in central midfield. An attacking player can get away with a riskier style of play, losing the ball or inconsistency. But the central midfield should be providing a solid base for the team to function around, and then putting creativity and flair on top of that. Pogba struggles to provide that stability - he can do it for a game here and there but there's no consistency.

 

[sherrinford]

Getting verratti in place of pogba would be an enormous upgrade

Why would Verratti have any interest in coming here?

We would do well to get Paredes out of Pogba moving to PSG. Early last season I thought he would have been a good signing to give the option of a natural playmaking no.6 in the squad as he couldn't get into the team, but Pochettino came in and gave him more game time. Wijnaldum and Pogba don't play his position but Paredes could still see his chances significantly reduced as a result of their signings. He is a good passer and made a difference to PSG's play with too much of the same from Herrera, Gueye and Danilo Pereira prior to Pochettino's arrival - would be a good signing.

 

[Volumiza]

Man Utd are heading towards another disaster transfer window. If Pogba leaves, we have nothing lined up to replace him. As much as the Jordan Sancho transfer to United catches the untrained eye, the fact is it is strengthening in an area where we are strong. Our weakest positions are in central midfield. With Pogba we are weak. Without him and with nothing lined up... we are toothless there. Another season of McTominay and Fred beckons. And while they have been good servants, if you compare them to Jorginho and Kante at Chelase...well the Stamford Bridge lads are a class apart.

Alll the excitement of the Sancho transfer was extracted as a result of how protracted it was. Like with Fernandes. Now the Verane deal is in trouble because Real want £50m and we will only pay £50m. The Trippier deal has gone quiet and interest in Eduardo Camavinga is stalling.

Right now we are nowhere near challenging for honours. Pogba's departure places us even further away.

This post is literally dripping drama. I’m exhausted just reading it. Need to sit down and do some research into Jordan Sancho, never heard of him.

 

[crossy1686]

Man Utd are heading towards another disaster transfer window. If Pogba leaves, we have nothing lined up to replace him. As much as the Jordan Sancho transfer to United catches the untrained eye, the fact is it is strengthening in an area where we are strong. Our weakest positions are in central midfield. With Pogba we are weak. Without him and with nothing lined up... we are toothless there. Another season of McTominay and Fred beckons. And while they have been good servants, if you compare them to Jorginho and Kante at Chelase...well the Stamford Bridge lads are a class apart.

Alll the excitement of the Sancho transfer was extracted as a result of how protracted it was. Like with Fernandes. Now the Verane deal is in trouble because Real want £50m and we will only pay £50m. The Trippier deal has gone quiet and interest in Eduardo Camavinga is stalling.

Right now we are nowhere near challenging for honours. Pogba's departure places us even further away.

Hyperbole and you have no idea whether or not they've got someone lined up. Every day there's a new link to a CM or DM. There's still another month of window to go yet. Don't understand the need for drama when we're making good signings and have other big signings lined up.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Man Utd are heading towards another disaster transfer window. If Pogba leaves, we have nothing lined up to replace him. As much as the Jordan Sancho transfer to United catches the untrained eye, the fact is it is strengthening in an area where we are strong. Our weakest positions are in central midfield. With Pogba we are weak. Without him and with nothing lined up... we are toothless there. Another season of McTominay and Fred beckons. And while they have been good servants, if you compare them to Jorginho and Kante at Chelase...well the Stamford Bridge lads are a class apart.

Alll the excitement of the Sancho transfer was extracted as a result of how protracted it was. Like with Fernandes. Now the Verane deal is in trouble because Real want £50m and we will only pay £50m. The Trippier deal has gone quiet and interest in Eduardo Camavinga is stalling.

Right now we are nowhere near challenging for honours. Pogba's departure places us even further away.

What a poor take. United have lacked an RW since forever, it has been our most important position to find for years. We are clearly also looking for a CB.

We don’t need a DM (as much as I want one) because we don’t play in a setup that requires one as a stand alone.

 

[thegregster]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

 

[TheReligion]

Hyperbole and you have no idea whether or not they've got someone lined up. Every day there's a new link to a CM or DM. There's still another month of window to go yet. Don't understand the need for drama when we're making good signings and have other big signings lined up.

So much hyperbole in here. Drama and sensationalism.

Fans driving talent away from the club apparently. Poor little snowflakes.

 

[Dante]

Pogba isn't important to our first team.

Minutes with and without him in the league last season:

	Minutes	GF	GA	minutes per GF	minutes per GA
With Pogba	1897	35	26	54.2	73
Without Pogba	1523	38	18	40	84.6

McFred helps Shaw/AWB to push higher up the flanks, and give Bruno more freedom to get in and around the box.

Pogba gives you more individualistic gif-worthy moments. But Manchester United are a better team without him.

 

[Borys]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

the drama continues, it's only the beginning.

Pogba isn't important to our first team.


Minutes with and without him in the league last season:



MinutesGFGAminutes per GFminutes per GAWith Pogba1897352654.273Without Pogba152338184084.6


McFred helps Shaw/AWB to push higher up the flanks, and give Bruno more freedom to get in and around the box.


Pogba gives you more individualistic gif-worthy moments. But Manchester United are a better team without him.

Incoming "lack of context" in 3...2...1...

 

[Strelok]

Man Utd are heading towards another disaster transfer window. If Pogba leaves, we have nothing lined up to replace him. As much as the Jordan Sancho transfer to United catches the untrained eye, the fact is it is strengthening in an area where we are strong. Our weakest positions are in central midfield. With Pogba we are weak. Without him and with nothing lined up... we are toothless there. Another season of McTominay and Fred beckons. And while they have been good servants, if you compare them to Jorginho and Kante at Chelase...well the Stamford Bridge lads are a class apart.

Alll the excitement of the Sancho transfer was extracted as a result of how protracted it was. Like with Fernandes. Now the Verane deal is in trouble because Real want £50m and we will only pay £50m. The Trippier deal has gone quiet and interest in Eduardo Camavinga is stalling.

Right now we are nowhere near challenging for honours. Pogba's departure places us even further away.

Agreed on most of what you said except the Pogba part.

Yeah he's talented but imo him leaving is in fact a bless in disguise for us.

First, we don't have that fat fecker and his circus around anymore. Pogba won't renew so having him around only make things worse for the dressing room. And it's not like he or the fat fecker or his circus don't have a big mouth anyway.

Second, if we manage to sell him we'd have more money for our transfer budget and considerably free up our wages bill.

Finally, he can't defend well enough to play as a midfielder, he's not effective as Bruno as an attacking midfielder, he's not fast enough to dislodge Rashford on the left.

His best place will be on the bench and some occasional minutes here and there, for all that money and noises. Plus Bruno and Sancho will need a lot of possession to be effective. You add Pogba to that and you'd have a huge balance issue if you'd try to play the three together. I don't mind him being here, we'll have more options and a good sub but it's just too expensive and troublesome.

 

[crossy1686]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

But I've been told by many on here he's world class and anyone would love to have him? Turned down by Madrid and PSG fans now...

 

[Dante]

the drama continues, it's only the beginning.


Incoming "lack of context" in 3...2...1...

The context is that Pogba generally played in the easy games whereas McFred played in the more difficult games against the big 6.

If you add context, Pogba comes out looking even worse.

 

[Jacob]

I think it's for the best to let him go. It just doesn't sit right to have him here and it never will.

 

[Strelok]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

Oh Lord I was hoping we'd get 50m for him, this is bad.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

 

[RyRy11]

Pogba isn't important to our first team.

Minutes with and without him in the league last season:

	Minutes	GF	GA	minutes per GF	minutes per GA
With Pogba	1897	35	26	54.2	73
Without Pogba	1523	38	18	40	84.6

McFred helps Shaw/AWB to push higher up the flanks, and give Bruno more freedom to get in and around the box.

Pogba gives you more individualistic gif-worthy moments. But Manchester United are a better team without him.

This is why I don’t understand the doom and gloom if he leaves. Great individual player on his day but he has less than a handful of these over the course of the season, yet if we sell him some caf members are sounding like we are going to get relegated.

 

[Idxomer]

the drama continues, it's only the beginning.


Incoming "lack of context" in 3...2...1...

Nah, it's too boring to argue with agenda posters anymore.

 

[Volumiza]

He is on record as saying he would never play for them as well.

Our best player according to some. No bids from anyone and even some of the fans of the club he’s linked to don’t want him. This really doesn’t surprise me, he flatters to deceive and is so good he needs everyone around him to be world class to perform. We were robbed!