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Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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That has nothing to do with players who have flair though. More 'conventional' players get the same treatment. See how Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Scotty, Fred etc. are berated when they don't perform. Flair player or not, most important is performing, otherwise it's all pointless. What's more important than Martial playing well is the team playing well. Him sulking, not making runs off the ball, blowing extremely hot and cold etc. are the reasons why he isn't being taken in well here at the moment, not cause he's a flair player.
Nothing would please me more than seeing pogba gone.
I'd even advocate letting him go for free this year, heck throw a couple of million at him to leave.
Piss of with the doom and gloom, this is actually good news
Even if Utd prefer to sell him this summer, I can easily see him sticking around and leaving on a free next year.
Hard to disagree on the whole.
He's not a natural fit for the double pivot which has been his managers' preferred position for him, so at some point you have to either play him in his position or sell him. I do think that he definitely can work with Bruno for 90% of our games, but it has to be in the right shape or else it won't work. But at this stage, we're most likely past that point.
And tbh generally these sort of posts make sense. It's the ones which are taking the piss talking about 5 good games a season, or one good run of form in his 5 years here etc, that I'm talking about. It's like no matter what the guy does he's had just 5 good games at Utd.
This summer has been our most active one in term of preparation for players we are targeting. We literary already signed Sancho, progress to talk with the club on Varane and plenty of time for midfielder to replace Pogba. We already held talk about personal term with other players like Camavinga and etc.
Ye, but I think that's just the fickle nature of football fans. You've got some on here calling Rashford shite for the way he ended the season, despite playing with multiple injuries all season and still producing very good numbers.
I like Pogba, he's a very likeable bloke and an incredible talent but I don't think he's ever really had the impact we've hoped, at least not consistently enough. I do think that the Bruno signing was the beginning of the end for him. Bruno may not be as talented but he has a ridiculous knack for output - that's something that is invaluable to any team.
If we can recoup some funds for him this summer, assuming we invest it well, of course, I think it could work best for both parties.
Title should probably be according to Daily Mail journalist who has made up fake reports on injuries in the past.
Assume if the scenario turns into like what reported, do you still prefer us to give him 450k-500k p/w to make him stay?
It's definitely time for him to go. PSG will be a good move for him. £50m would be a good deal for all parties.
If you're playing Bruno at 10 and 2 wingers with as little defensive contribution as Sancho, Rashford, Martial or Greenwood then you can't play Pogba in central midfield.
They don't need a CDM holding midfielder who does nothing on the ball. The need creativity in the middle. But it needs to be an all rounder who has defensive responsibility.
For a few games, that can be Pogba. But after a few weeks of effort he gets bored with defending and doesn't bother any more.
PSG will suit him well. They'll dominate the ball and his defensive weaknesses won't be exposed. He can switch on for the big European games and phone it in for the rest of the season.
If you're playing Bruno at 10 and 2 wingers with as little defensive contribution as Sancho, Rashford, Martial or Greenwood then you can't play Pogba in central midfield.
They don't need a CDM holding midfielder who does nothing on the ball. The need creativity in the middle. But it needs to be an all rounder who has defensive responsibility.
For a few games, that can be Pogba. But after a few weeks of effort he gets bored with defending and doesn't bother any more.
PSG will suit him well. They'll dominate the ball and his defensive weaknesses won't be exposed. He can switch on for the big European games and phone it in for the rest of the season.
Ok never mind the the how great and important to us PP is or isn’t.
Do people think his transfer to PSG is on or not?
Do people think his transfer to PSG is on or not?
I like Pogba as a player but if he has rejected a contract offer of the kind of money us supporters could only dream of, money that is made either directly off us or off advertising to us, then we have to say best of luck to you Paul. We don't want someone at our club who's only goal is to make as much money off us as he possibly can. His, and his agents, antics last season were unforgiveable, but we forgave him. If he doesn't want to play for us, then happy to let him go where he will be happy. Bye bye Paul if that's the case.
Manchester United is bigger than any player. It was here before him and will be here a long time after.
If he wants out then we shouldn't waste another second discussing him.
Manchester United is bigger than any player. It was here before him and will be here a long time after.
If he wants out then we shouldn't waste another second discussing him.
Why would we want to replace Pogba with another Pogba when we've been struggling to find his position for ages. If he leaves use the money to sign someone whose best position is clear.
Problem is, he is neither. On top of that, his agent and his family are always talking about him moving. How do you expect the fans to get behind a player like that? There are far worse players that United fans have backed to the hilt because they showed commitment when they were given chance even if they were not good enough.
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I mean there's no other Pogba out there, so I wouldn't take that tweet literally.
That has nothing to do with my post?
There is no evidence he rejected the contract. Only 1 Journo who was caught lying last season.
Do I expect Pogba to sign a new contract? No.
Do I think the journalist is correct and he has rejected one? No
Journo is just hedging his bets on the most likely outcome.
I would like to hear from someone who wants Pogba to stay based on him being a quality player and you are one of them. So let me ask the question again, if the scenario turns into like what reported, do you still prefer us to give him 450k-500k p/w to make him stay? Or just move him on this summer?
If we get anywhere close to 50m pounds for him, I'll be very happy with that. Even happier if that money is re-invested in the team. The reality is that even if we replace him with a worse player (e.g. Saul Niguez), we could end up being a better team because Pogba is a round peg in a square hole. He just doesn't fit our style of play.
Yeah he doesn’t fit our style of play as we have all seen him for France and he looks a difference players but with Rice throwing around for 70m who would we get for 40/50m that’s better
Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
We won’t give Pogba a new contract, sign Sancho for 70m plus and Mbappe for over 130m plus.
Ruben Neves isn't a better player, but I think we look more balanced with a midfield three of Neves (as a 6) -- VDB (8) -- Fernandes (10) than Fred (6) -- Pogba (8) -- Fernandes (10).
I know. I mean Pogba would go to PSG.
We've really backed ourselves into a corner with this one. Losing him on a free would be absolutely awful. And I can definitely see him waiting it out to join Madrid or PsG next summer. If we can sell him now then great but we have a very weak hand on this one. Besides it's no good selling and signing our usual workhorses for the midfield. We need genuine quality on the ball and sadly we are not being linked with anyone of that ilk.
Balance is important but so is quality. We are never going to win major honours with midfielders of the standard of Fred, Mctominay, VDB and Neves. If we're selling Pogba we really need to add someone properly gifted on the ball.
Also VDB is laughably bad and has to prove himself to be good enough for us let alone a qualiry player for us
United have won the PL title with far worse midfields than Fred and McTominay. You've been a member on here since 2002, surely you remember the midfield partnerships that contributed to Sir Alex's final PL title ?
Not only that, but other teams have won the PL title in recent years with central midfields that were short on technical quality.
The evidence of the Pogba era is that technical quality in central midfield is rarely the decisive factor in the PL.
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TBF we've been linked to Goretzka and Camavinga who are both very good on the ball. I also doubt we have a proper chance at either though.
Sir Alex was the greatest manager in the history of the sport.
And no other PL team that has won the title has had a midfield of the Fred Mctominay level. City - brilliant in midfield. Liverpool - Fabinho, Henderson and Wijnaldum at their best also on another to McFred. Chelsea - the likes of Matic, Kante and Cesc at their best. Leicester had Kante who is basically as good as McFred combined but they're an anomaly as their competition was Spurs
I don't think you can win big trophies now with those CMs you listed. Sir Alex's genius and Klopp's tactics are unique factors we aren't lucky enough to have anytime soon. So we need quality.
Would love Camavinga but he's still a kid and not sure he wants to come. Goretzka don't know enough about tbh. Always thought he was more brute force and engine but may be wrong. Ideally we should replace Pogba with a playmaker.
I yearn for the days we play with a controller in CM. Like Kroos or how scholes was. Not too many of them about. Personally wouldn't mind Tielelmans.
I always thought Pogba was better than the bunch we had around when he signed but it breaks my heart that he wants to leave when things are finally happening at United and Ole is trying to build a formidable line-up. Pogba is a flair player who likes to create chances and play up front, much like Bruno. I don't understand why Bruno goes directly at the top as soon as he was signed and Pogba never played in that position, he wasn't even tried there. According to me, he would've done well in Bruno's position. Regardless I still think he could've done a lot more than he did in the last few years especially after Jose left but injuries and position mix up cost him a lot. I love Pogba for his skills and the way he reads the game but I also think it is best to sell a player who's heart is not here. Don't throw money at his face, just send him and buy someone who will love the club and work hard every game. Now, even if he stayed we would struggle to find a good position for him; unless we get a DM as good as Pirlo or Kante which sadly is doubtful. Declan Rice is the best there is, in the PL and he's our only hope of solving the midfield problem or we'll have to wait another year to sort the issues before we can really challenge for the title.
Hey Glazers, buying Sancho is not enough! We need more reinforcement in midfield. Buy Rice, I'm sure you have the cash. Stop taking dividends and loans.
Hey Glazers, buying Sancho is not enough! We need more reinforcement in midfield. Buy Rice, I'm sure you have the cash. Stop taking dividends and loans.
He did played the highest position in a midfield 3 with Matic and Herrera. A free roaming attacking midfield or whatever you'd call that. He did really good there for a while until teams start to isolate, press and go strongly on him. His tendency of unnecessary dwelling on the ball and relying on his strength to keep the ball under pressure simply didn't work there anymore, he started to suck big time. He's not good in tight space with basically no time allowed, he doesn't have a quick feet and imo not much of a quick mind either. He usually receives the ball, take a few touches while thinking about what's next. Truth is he needs quite of space and time to play. He was so bad back then that Ole had to move him deeper and the rest is history.
Looking at for example the super quick flicks Bruno usually does you'd understand why Ole put him on top the day he came.
So we have him his first professional contract and then he walked away for free.
We then brought him back for a world record fee and he’s about to walk away for free again.
You would’ve hoped that he’d show some loyalty to the club, but it seems it’s not going to happen. Sell him ASAP to redeem a fee for him and let him be on his way. He’s shown glimpses of brilliance but hasn’t justified a world record fee at all
We then brought him back for a world record fee and he’s about to walk away for free again.
You would’ve hoped that he’d show some loyalty to the club, but it seems it’s not going to happen. Sell him ASAP to redeem a fee for him and let him be on his way. He’s shown glimpses of brilliance but hasn’t justified a world record fee at all
Part of me wants to keep him (just to see a run at the title with Pogba, Fernandez and Cavani)
but realistically, it's not good to have a player whose planning to run down his contract, you have to wonder if he'll put the whole effort in, and if Van de Beek gets next to nil game time again, we risk losing them both.
but realistically, it's not good to have a player whose planning to run down his contract, you have to wonder if he'll put the whole effort in, and if Van de Beek gets next to nil game time again, we risk losing them both.
He ain't going anywhere. He will sign a new deal to become our highest earner and will lead us to next seasons title alongside his fellow countryman varane, who will be our most influential defender next season.
Quote me if you like.
Quote me if you like.
If he's made it obvious to the club for the final two years of his contract that he'd quite like to leave (which by all indications he has), it's not his fault if the club refuses to actually sell him. What's he supposed to do, keep signing new contracts despite wanting to go elsewhere? He seems to have put it in the clubs hands, and we're the ones deciding to keep him and hoping he ends up deciding to stay.
Of course, Covid makes it a bit more difficult as suddenly there hasn't been any clubs really with the finances to pay what we would normally want for him. But it's still in our hands to lower our expectations.
Which United fans didn’t miss Butt? Great attitude and solid CM.
Ince was not missed however!
Just like it. Red flags everywhere.
This. I've had it with this nonsense now.
Even if we just get half of what we paid for him id be happy to see the back of him