Oh come on. It's been far more than that, almost from day one.
On here as much as anywhere.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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Oh come on. It's been far more than that, almost from day one.
On here as much as anywhere.
So are we really saying that some shite posted on the Caf is unparalleled throughout football in driving players out of the club? And the players read it and decide to leave?
Ye, was more tongue in cheek, but I'm glad we are at least testing the waters. If he refuses to re-sign, they may be open to negotiating, or we could get him on a free. He did the same with Schalke to go to Bayern, did he not?
That sounds about right.
Football is a team sport, I don’t think Pogba leaving will weaken the team. With a proper replacement, we will perform better as a team. If I am Ole, I will not let him walk away on free transfer. Any fee will do even at 30 mil. Take this money and reinvest in the squad for a young midfielder with potential. Pogba just brings distractions to any team.
No, not at all.
I have no idea what he did before Bayern to be honest.
I don’t think we have the choice….his agent will decide if we sell or he stays…the power is with the players and agents…it’s up to United to entice him to stay….if we offer him enough money he will…but I hope we don’t go overboard…
Well in that case I don't know why you're arguing on that posters behalf. He was talking shit and was called on it.
Please just let him go to PSG. He's nowhere near worth the hassle of this shite every summer. Many people say United has dragged down Pogba's career but if he's as good as he thinks he is he'd have dragged us through much more than the odd top four finish or Europa trophy. He's a great cog in a world class team, but no more than a good player in anything below that.
I'm sure Pogba wants to play football. It's the world cup next year. . .
The club should push back and make it clear if he wants to run it down then hes going to play very little next season.
Completely agree…if that’s what he decides we plan ahead…and use him when we need him…
Pogba and Fernandes are not suited to play in the same team unless Pogba plays on the left which is a position we are already particularly strong in. Incredible player but a balanced team is always better so it is fine if he leaves as long as we get a player that can play in a midfield 2 and dictate the tempo of a match whilst contributing defensively.
1) It's good manners to tag someone if you're talking about them.
2) You were talking about the caf, not me. My post which you contested said:
Psg is the perfect fit for pogba. Will rack up a YouTube reel worthy of the greats while battering teams most weeks, will build his brand even more and will ultimately not be remembered as a serious player or remotely near the calibre of top tier.
That is bullshit
I'm not arguing on his behalf.
You need to go back and read what I've posted. It was nothing like what you ascribed to me.
Mourinho did many puzzling and exasperating things while at United, but, at least, regarding Pogba, he was right. Pogba should have had been allowed to transfer to City during his first season when the Dutch agent made an attempt.
Ignore him. It’s always those types who will argue against a valid point like it doesn’t exist talking pure patriotism without actually answering the initial question.
I’m convinced our current fanbase would question Zidane’s credibility if he put on a red shirt saying he can’t defend.
Not really. 5 years from now he wouldn't even be remotely considered for the best PL team ever. Realistically he wouldn't make the 19th or 20th line ups.
Hes an Instagram age player. Never really delivers consistently, and has basically been destroyed any time he's faced a top midfield with us except one half away at city.
Id argue that no player in history has had such fanfare for so little output with his clubs
I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.
The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.
But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.
Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.
The guy has won the world cup, 4 league titles in Italy, he's a serious player. He's not done it in a red shirt though, the shitshow between him and Jose dragged the club down for about 18 months, firing Jose was correct but Pgba should have been gone as well. Entirely relaxed about him going. Hasn't justified his wages, never mind a massive payrise.
You said you didn't want to continue it so I didn't tag you. I was also trying not to post your name to save you from further embarrassment. Thank me later.
What are these types? What part of saying our ability to drive creative players out if the club is unparalleled is a valid point?
Do enlighten us.
I agree with this. Just look at 06/07 season. We were somehow turned into the better team after we sold RVN without replacing him with world class striker and RVN was basically world class striker at that time.
Oh god, I’d almost argue the opposite. The level of fanfare he gets raises the expectations so high that anything other than regular world class performances (which no player ever really achieves) is regarded as a failure. He’s a victim of that fanfare, it’s not a yardstick to measure his ability against.
400k/week contract renewal coming in 3..2..1….
Wrong but it is Top Redcafe after all.
All 3 have won trophies for the club & one is still a club employee, I’m choosing to continue supporting him until that comes to an end instead of acting, as some do, like he’s done nothing in a red shirt.
Context also matters, you simply can’t compare the management nor team personnel around them.
Paul Ince, with 2 EPLs has won more EPLs than this current squad combined [DdG has 1] so the same stuff you use to berate Pogba can be hurled at every player we have.
He was the PotT when we won the Europa, indeed the second rate European trophy but he’s tangibly done more for Manchester United football club than most of the squad. When has Pogba ever called himself a legend ffs, or is it the hair dos & the clothes. It’s reasonable to dislike Pogba the player but at no point has he spoken of himself as Ince did, what utter nonsense.
I think he should leave but comparing him to Nicky Butt who might have been helped by you know, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Keane et al. is a little disingenuous when McFred struggle to pass over 10 yards.
Being part of a world cup winning side is about the most disproportionate praise a player can be given. Giroud led the line and with respect every player Juve bought in his time their won 4 titles.
Hes talented and capable of brilliance but just not a serious player capable of consistency or any of the uglier essential sides of the game.
It is. Ronaldo was hated over Rooney and it’s clear which style is more grit and gile. Nani and Valencia.. productivity was picked over flair. Like I can’t think of a player in this recent era who the gate keepers have liked that are eye pleasing to watch. Fergie use to be a guy who liked players getting you off your seat that left with him.
Martial FC grew for a while but we chose Jose over him.
Hopefully we will enjoy flair again. But our principles are manager and media driven.
Fergie was the one who preferred the productivity of Valencia over Nani. Martial FC stopped growing because his inconsistency and lack of interest became a constant, rather than something that could be blamed on his youth.
Flair is great, if it's backed with numbers and consistent output. That's the difference between the Neymar's and players like Taarabt or Ben Arfa etc. It's why Nani was idolised on here for that period where he had flair, but was also producing, it was only when he stopped producing people began to lose faith.
It's got nothing to do with being a flair player or not, if a player doesn't produce consistently enough, they can't be relied on. Especially when we are competing against squads and managers who drill the feck out of their teams now.
It's definitely possible, but it would require the right recruitment and top coaching. Losing Pogba is a blow, but fingers crossed we can make a good situation out of it.
Fair points!
You can ask yourself whether there is someone else who is not world class or top class can play better or more effective in that double pivot than Pogba.
Ronaldo was hated? What you on about. Did you see the reception he got when he returned to the club? He was worshipped and still is. Rooney got plenty of stick when he clashed with the club over a new contract and flirted with leaving. More selective memory, hyperbole and sensationalism I assume?
Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani and Valencia were all bought by Fergie and part of the club's most successful era.
We chose Jose over Martial? Which one is still at the club again and got given the number 9?
Hopefully we will enjoy flair again? Signing Sancho not good enough?
I'm actually wondering if I'm living in an alternative reality to some of you. This is very odd.
That's not the point though - you'd be hard done finding many people who would argue he isn't a good (and even World class player on his day). The issue lies in that what Bruno offers as an advanced midfielder - Pogba can't match. So he has to play out wide where Rashford is the superior player in that position or in midfield where his insistence on overplaying can cause issues defensively and in transition. That coupled with his agent, his brother and his insistence on flirting about leaving makes it not worth it to keep him around, assuming he is so hell bent on leaving. As great as he is, the Pogba that plays for Manchester United is replaceable imo. We'd be hard done finding a player of similar ilk, for sure, but we could look into the availability of players like Grealish, Goretzka etc. who I consider to be both better players and better for us.
If he wants to leave, let him leave. I think it will work out for both parties. He can play in a league where the competition is of a lower standard most weeks so his shortcomings as a player won't be exposed as much, whilst his positives will be more emphasised. He gets a fresh start and to play in a team that is stacked with ridiculous talent. United get the circus out of here and can focus on building a more consistent, reliable team.
There probably is, but then again there's better players out there than Matic, Lindelof, McTominay, etc and they've yet to be replaced.
And my point isn't to rag on those players, it's to say we tend to act very slowly in the market. Matic has been finished for a while now and still has no replacement. Lindelof has been first choice for a few seasons now. It took us years to replace Lingard. Our RW issue is a running joke which, hopefully, has finally been resolved after so long. You get my point.
There being a replacement out there is one thing. Us actually getting it right quickly is another.
Your right Fergie did prefer productive over Nani. I don’t think it’s numbers it literally about what you offer the team. For instance Valencia didn’t have numbers but he was a great outlet and good defensively.
The main point was we preferred to see that than the flair of Nani. These players will always be erratic but sometimes the fans have to provide them with the confidence that we believe in what they are doing. We don’t recently.
I totally agree.
I like Varane but it does make me laugh when it gets mentioned about all that he has won and yet if we dropped a certain mister Lindelof into that jaw dropping Real Madrid side then I think he would also have a burgeoning trophy cabinet.
this is one of the dumbest posts on this forum. God.