So that link says nothing about fans driving him out of the club?
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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So that link says nothing about fans driving him out of the club?
Breaking!
Sorry the fans have driven him out apparently
You can't accept that one of the problems for Pogba here, is that many fans have never really taken to him? Do you remember when he talked about the, probably unreasonable, expectations of him to simultaneously be the main creative force and a midfield general which apparently a player of his price must be?
This didn't come about because rival fans were slating him. It was our own fans scapegoating him after every poor result.
Not interested in getting into some sort of pedantic argument.
Norway has never produced players of great technical ability but it was at a time when Oli and his fellow countrymen were being snapped up by English sides due to their physical attributes and suitability to 4-4-2 and direct style of play. Even the former Norwegian head coach Egil Olson, went on to manage Wimbledon.
How many players divide different fanbases? Literally every single one. Pogba has had more support at United then negativity, despite the constant negative talk from his family and agent about the club.
The notion that the club and fans have driven him out is complete and utter shite.
I'm not interested in reading articles which have nothing to do with the so called point you're making. I've better things to do.
Good news that he has made a decision, now sell & replace. We can't have this dragging on into the season.
Shame it has come to this, but with Raiola it was always likely.
Shame it has come to this, but with Raiola it was always likely.
I should have said this year. My bad.
This seems like the Ramos one right @ivaldo ?
Good to move him on in my opinion.
I don't think anyone is saying the fans are 100% responsible for Pogba wanting to leave. I think it's fairly clear though that it's a factor. However small.
Stop being so definitive over something of which you know no more than anyone else here.
At the risk of it sounding like I'm hounding him out of the club; he hasn't really been as good as I expected him to be.
I should maybe delete that otherwise his family/agent/neighbour/Paul wearing a fake moustache/hamster will tell the press that I've treated him unfairly.
I should maybe delete that otherwise his family/agent/neighbour/Paul wearing a fake moustache/hamster will tell the press that I've treated him unfairly.
Just get the £50M from PSG and reinvest that into the squad.
Anyone blaming this situation on the fans is a disgrace. I pay good money to go and watch United and support the team. Having an expectation that players that wear the shirt want to wear it and will give their all to the cause is par really. Expecting players to act respectfully and to ensure their personal team act respectfully is also par for me and what I expect.
Pogba has, and has always had, my full support. That said no one can deny he's brought with him alot of off field drama that the club hasn't needed and there's been a distinct lack of respect from his team,and the people around him, at particularly key times of different seasons. If you can't understand why that would irritate some fans then again you're massively out of touch.
Pogba has, and has always had, my full support. That said no one can deny he's brought with him alot of off field drama that the club hasn't needed and there's been a distinct lack of respect from his team,and the people around him, at particularly key times of different seasons. If you can't understand why that would irritate some fans then again you're massively out of touch.
Clever. But no, that's fair.
It's the going after his hair/dabs/attitude/social media/injuries, and all that toxic Jose stuff that's the main culprit. Add to that the media scapegoating, and it's clear that it had become a pitchfork situation.
I wonder if our fanbase has ever been so divided over a single player. Martial probably runs him close, to be fair.
The thing with Pogba is, whether intentional or otherwise, he causes more problems than solutions. He's just a constant headache. It's time to cash in while he still holds some stock in the transfer market.
The thing with Pogba is, whether intentional or otherwise, he causes more problems than solutions. He's just a constant headache. It's time to cash in while he still holds some stock in the transfer market.
See you later Paul lad. I would have been happy to have Pogba on a new deal but let's sell him now, try to get another midfielder or two before the window closes, bid farewell to the Pogba circus and that fat slug of an agent and move on.
It would be wise to close all threads on Pogba.
Actually ban the name.
It's not like he's given us a lot of joy over the last 4 years.
Just hope this ends sooner rather then drag this shit over the course of another transfer window.
Actually ban the name.
It's not like he's given us a lot of joy over the last 4 years.
Just hope this ends sooner rather then drag this shit over the course of another transfer window.
Try reading the post. He said our ability to drive out creative players is unparalleled.
If you agree with that statement which I took issue with then fair enough. It's bollocks though.
Yep, just take the £50M from PSG and re-invest that into the team.
What was the contract offer anyway and I take it that would have made him the top earner at the club if he’d accepted it?
Wonder how divided the caf is? A poll of some kind would be interesting I think. I suspect a clear majority would swing in one direction.....
Can't believe what I'm reading here about the fans. Fecking awful.
Don't really care tbh. Bruno was everything he should have been. Simply put, he never has and most likely never will get the numbers Bruno does so he has to play deeper as a creative CM and he's far too prone to being a liability defensively and overplaying/overcomplicating play back there.
Sell him, bring in a proper b2b or dm and Camavinga and this team goes up a level.
Sell him, bring in a proper b2b or dm and Camavinga and this team goes up a level.
Would be incredibly naive to think that you don't need any of those to be successful. And, fans think about the results and performances which are mainly based on those qualities.
Some of the best attacking teams in last few decades have tons of those qualities. The likes of SAF, Jose, Pep, Klopp have had teams with those qualities.
Would be happy if he stayed, but it's not the end of the world that he decided he wants to leave. Supremely talented player but it baffles me that we still struggle to find his best position/role. He was fantastic at times for France but never been that consistantly good for us sadly.
I still can't decide if he needs to be replaced with a combination of pure DM & tempo controlling CM or more of a DLP & a Grealish type attacking midfielder that can help support Bruno
Unparalleled was a bit of hyperbole, of course. There are other clubs with this problem. But your multiple rants above clearly show that you aren't prepared to even accept the possibility that the reaction from quite a sizeable section of fans, has made a difference to whether the player wants to be here.
A poll would be handy for sure.
I don't think it would be as one-sided as you think. This thread alone suggests he still holds sway over a large contingent of the fanbase - at least on the CAF anyway.
I know he has been inconsistent and yes overall has been a letdown but during last season when we did go top he was carrying us and was playing more simple especially with Bruno which had me thinking when we put better players around him he looks better like with France.
Im not that upset if he leaves but we need a proper CM to replace him as I would like to see Mctominay and Fred in there most weeks
Im not that upset if he leaves but we need a proper CM to replace him as I would like to see Mctominay and Fred in there most weeks
It's spelled "spacegoating" but I get your point. How much of that stuff is entirely media built though? You're always going to have a section of any fanbase that are going to shout negative things, but I don't know a lot of match going fans who have actively booed him. If anything it's the anonymous folk on social media, and there's no guarantee that they're even United fans!
But, even if it was United fans, so what? He's paid to play for the club, and his performances have been patchy at best. A few amazing moments, but also a few games where he's been completely absent. If he then posts tonnes of social media stuff all on the name of his brand then he's going to get people voicing their opinions about it. That's not hounding him out of the club - that's just reality!
It's like any other job, really. If any one of us was just working to the bare minimum level at times, occasionally putting in the hard work but not consistently enough to call it a regular occurrence, and our bosses and colleagues said "maybe you should put the phone down, stop making excuses or extend platitudes, and get back to work?" you've only really got two options;
1) do it
2) say you can't do it
If, however, you got everyone who knows you to read your script about how your being treated unfairly, people are being cruel etc ALL BECAUSE they had the audacity to comment that your below expectations performances are below expectations then you're just being a bit of a wanker who is playing victim whilst sitting in your big flash house, which has been paid for based on a wage that you're getting for expected performances that you've been woefully..
Below expectations with!
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. Every transfer window his agent magically comes in and stirs the pot - Paul seems rather quiet about that every time. But Dave from Portsmouth with the avatar of some manga character calls him shit on Twitter and suddenly Paul is sitting there in front of the screen writing another entry in his Sadness Diary?
Online trolls, though; he's definitely had lots of those and they can all feck off to the moon without scapesuits as soon as possible.
PSG has to do us a massive favour and give us anything before it's too late.
Paul Pogba is an amazing footballer, if he stays he stays, if he leaves he leave, fed up of the circus tbh….I am confident that if we get Varane on top of Sancho we will be much better off than we were last year with it without Pogba. If he stays we could destroy so many teams….let’s hope he stays but VDB could actually be the missing piece we have been waiting for…
Everyone keeps mentioning his need for this mythical DM alongside him who makes no mistakes and is literally unplayable. Who is it then? He had the best DM alongside him in Kante, who it is extremely difficult, or even impossible to find a similar level of player and even still Pogba was prone to being a liability during the tournament at times - and that was in a tournament setting! The quality of football is far lower and it's only a handful of games, not a whole season.
Also, how he plays for France is irrelevant, some very average footballers can look great in tournaments. Fecking Shaqiri was ripping it up these Euros.
He's an incredible talent but he's had more than enough time to establish himself here. He hasn't changed at all as a footballer, still extremely good on the ball and creatively - still a liability at times when being pressed and in transistion due to his insistence on overplaying and overcomplicating play. That's not the fault of his teammates.
If you sell him - bring in Goretzka who is a better player and far more consistent, bring in a DM like Camavinga or Bissouma and this team is far better off imo.
80/20 for sell and reinvest I’d say
What problem? It's a problem fans take issue with certain aspects of a players behaviour? I'm ranting as it's an insult to all fans, especially match goers, to suggest that they are unparalleled in driving players out of the club.
Can't believe I'm reading this then again it is the Caf.
Or Goretzka
There is a large obstacle in the way of that one, namely Bayern Munich.