Bruno’s only been here 18 months.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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”Better” comes down to the distinction between performance and ability, I would say.Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring
I’m pretty sure Pogba played ‘under Bruno’ or am I wrong? What sort of ridiculous argument was that
And why the feck are you talking about 2 completely different teams when we are talking about individual performances.
One of the worst arguments of all time.
Shitting on Bruno to big up Pogba
Yeah I’m a Pogba fan but not sure why that’s needed. Bruno has been our backbone since he arrived.Shitting on Bruno to big up Pogba
Fans support players, not clubs it seems nowadays.
He's a good player but what we've got out of him is hardly irreplaceable...If he'd sign a new deal, I'd happily keep him as a valuable part of the squad but much better players than Pogba have left United and we've been fine.
Take away the fee, hype etc and you're left with a talented player we've had for 5 years that has shown flashes of greatness but (on the field) will be a footnote in our history. If he won't sign a new deal, it's not even a debate IMO, it's time to move on.
Take away the fee, hype etc and you're left with a talented player we've had for 5 years that has shown flashes of greatness but (on the field) will be a footnote in our history. If he won't sign a new deal, it's not even a debate IMO, it's time to move on.
Financially though - £350k per week = £15m per year - 3 year deal plus 1yr option = £60million out. Whats his resale at 32? £20 million maybe.So if we add £89mil to his wages for the last 5 years - |£60mil + his wages for the next 4 £60mil = £210million, less £20mil resale say then he's cost the club £190million - feck me!!!
So if we sell him know for £50mil we save his wages for 4years and get some cash in, plus linguard £20. Clubs got cash in the coffers to do some damage.
From a playing point of view why keep a player that chooses when he turns it on?? I'd rather a international class player giving it everything rather than a world class player just strutting his stuff as and when. Roy keane was world class becuase of his attitude not his footballing ability, that was good yes but he wasnt the ball player Pogba is. His mentality was win at all costs. If Pog had that - then we'd have won the title multiple times over. Pogba is a lazy patrick viera. £50mil yes please.
So if we sell him know for £50mil we save his wages for 4years and get some cash in, plus linguard £20. Clubs got cash in the coffers to do some damage.
From a playing point of view why keep a player that chooses when he turns it on?? I'd rather a international class player giving it everything rather than a world class player just strutting his stuff as and when. Roy keane was world class becuase of his attitude not his footballing ability, that was good yes but he wasnt the ball player Pogba is. His mentality was win at all costs. If Pog had that - then we'd have won the title multiple times over. Pogba is a lazy patrick viera. £50mil yes please.
Pogba and his fat feck agent friend can feck off.
He is a liability anyway since he dont track back to help the team.
No player is bigger than the club, Sir Alex showed that quite clearly under his management.
He is a liability anyway since he dont track back to help the team.
No player is bigger than the club, Sir Alex showed that quite clearly under his management.
The club should be resilient to any piss poor offer. Whatever you think of Pogba at United he has just come off of an unbelievable Euros performance and coming into his prime. 45m would be a disgrace (Fred cost more!). I would argue it's worth keeping him rather than taking peanuts for him as he could help us win things next season.
enough of this guy. he has made it clear time and again that United isn't in his blood, he's not interested in staying so let's ship him out and get the full fee up front so that we can buy a replacement such as Grealish who certainly won't give the ball away as often.
Pogba has turned in far too many "ordinary" performances and I still think SAF got it right when he let him go first time around.
World class? My arse
Pogba has turned in far too many "ordinary" performances and I still think SAF got it right when he let him go first time around.
World class? My arse
Pogba can do unbelievable things on the ball, his long-range passing and technique on the ball are phenomenal. But football and elite football at that is so much more. Liverpool walked the league with three midfielders who, combined have less innate, on-the-ball talent than Pogba. He loses the ball far too often and you feel whatever goodness he does at one end, he will undo at the other. I don't ever want to see a good player go but we've let much, MUCH better players go than him when it hasn't worked.
He reminds me of Veron, who was an incredible player. Technique, vision, passing, dribbling, just an utter joy to watch. Yet, didn't fit the team, didn't fit rugged, early 2000's Premier League football, didn't have the desired effect of making us a better team. Even happy to sell him on to an upcoming rival!
With Paul, it will be a shame to see him go but he has won a few trophies here and given us some good performances. But it's obvious that with his fat toad of an agent in his ear, he is swayed to go to the farmers league - imagine, at this stage in your career making a move where the only positive is your agent gets €40m?! There he can spray passes under zero pressure to Neymar and have three other players running for him, while he completes a highlight reel for YT and goes viral once a week for the TikTok generation.
At 28, choosing PSG is a career downturn and embarrassment if I am being brutally honest. It actually tells you everything your need to know about Paul Pogba. Best of luck to him, I'd much rather he stays but if we get £50m plus for him - take it, improve the squad and move on.
He reminds me of Veron, who was an incredible player. Technique, vision, passing, dribbling, just an utter joy to watch. Yet, didn't fit the team, didn't fit rugged, early 2000's Premier League football, didn't have the desired effect of making us a better team. Even happy to sell him on to an upcoming rival!
With Paul, it will be a shame to see him go but he has won a few trophies here and given us some good performances. But it's obvious that with his fat toad of an agent in his ear, he is swayed to go to the farmers league - imagine, at this stage in your career making a move where the only positive is your agent gets €40m?! There he can spray passes under zero pressure to Neymar and have three other players running for him, while he completes a highlight reel for YT and goes viral once a week for the TikTok generation.
At 28, choosing PSG is a career downturn and embarrassment if I am being brutally honest. It actually tells you everything your need to know about Paul Pogba. Best of luck to him, I'd much rather he stays but if we get £50m plus for him - take it, improve the squad and move on.
Well he’s already behind isn’t he.
I’m pretty sure Pogba played ‘under Bruno’ or am I wrong? What sort of ridiculous argument was that
And why the feck are you talking about 2 completely different teams when we are talking about individual performances.
One of the worst arguments of all time.
Isn’t this team better? Individual performance I’ve already said I’m waiting for Bruno to have a Pogba Man City moment. He does a Ozil when it comes to the big games.
It’s not weak there’s just no comeback to it as it’s facts.
That kind of distraction comes with having high profile players.
If it isn't Pogba it's Bruno apparently not signing a new contract, or its De Gea...etc.
Really don't think an agent spouting crap to the press will have any impact on the squad at all.
Pogba also plays in this team what on earth are you getting at
why is this teams shortcomings Bruno’s fault? We are discussing their individual performances - Bruno has had a much bigger impact over the course of 2 seasons. I don’t think that is debatable but here we are.
Pogba at United
Games: 208
Goals: 38
Assists: 42
Bruno at United
Games: 80
Goals: 40
Assists: 25
You tell me.
Interesting he knocked back our contract offer. First time in his time here, we generally looking to be heading in the right direction, with signings such as Sancho and Varane. It's also a reflection on him, he's played 5 seasons with us, he has shown form at times but no way has he been an unqualified success. You'd hope he'd want to be an undoubted success and stay to prove that. Our biggest issues such as no genuine right winger, pace in back line, no genuine real no 9 are all addressed for this coming season.
Don't really know what to make of this I want him to stay as I think he’s a good player capable of the sublime but then he just hasn’t or doesn’t I feel live up to what he is capable of for United. So if he goes or stays I’m kind of whatever.
I think as we hear a lot on the CAF “it’s the hope that kills you” the hope waiting for Pogba to finally take his place as the best midfielder this club has ever had as he has everything to do it apart from it seems the mentality. And that is what I feel irks so many as it always feels like he is capable of way more than what he is producing.
Thats not to say there aren’t moments of pure brilliance. At times he’s a joy to behold and when he’s on it unplayable. If he goes to PSG suddenly puts it all together and wins a champions league then so be it. If it happens some team they’ve put together. That’s if they can get over the bottle merchant and I’ll discipline/spoilt brat behaviour they so often showcase.
I think as we hear a lot on the CAF “it’s the hope that kills you” the hope waiting for Pogba to finally take his place as the best midfielder this club has ever had as he has everything to do it apart from it seems the mentality. And that is what I feel irks so many as it always feels like he is capable of way more than what he is producing.
Thats not to say there aren’t moments of pure brilliance. At times he’s a joy to behold and when he’s on it unplayable. If he goes to PSG suddenly puts it all together and wins a champions league then so be it. If it happens some team they’ve put together. That’s if they can get over the bottle merchant and I’ll discipline/spoilt brat behaviour they so often showcase.
I wonder what the offer we put on the table included for Mino? I’m sure one of the big sticking points will be what Mino gets out of any deal for Pogba (or any of his players) - I can imagine he is asking for some outrageous fee and I’m sure his new play thing club PSG will give him plenty…
this could all be a ploy to use PSG to get us to offer even more of a package that not just Pogba benefits from……
same old circus every transfer window……
this could all be a ploy to use PSG to get us to offer even more of a package that not just Pogba benefits from……
same old circus every transfer window……
The single best thing about him going will be the death of the pogba threads, and the end to "supporters" shitting on other players to prove a point about pogba. If he signs and stays, great, if not, fine, off you pop then. We have lost better and more influential players and will do again. Man Utd > Paul Pogba
I still don't know his best position or role. After five years. That is an issue in itself.
My issue with this is not the player himself, as I couldn't care less whether he leaves or not. I certainly won't be shedding a tear over it nor will I miss him in the slightest. The issue is, is that we would obviously need to replace him, and considering we already need a midfielder I can't see us getting two, first-team starters and the CB we need before the season starts.
If he does leave, it will probably be dragged out which will only inhibit our chances of replacing him, which in turn could possibly screw up our season. If he is going to leave, let's get it done ASAP and be done with him.
If he does leave, it will probably be dragged out which will only inhibit our chances of replacing him, which in turn could possibly screw up our season. If he is going to leave, let's get it done ASAP and be done with him.
I share the indifference to him leaving.
I feel he's been on the decline for a couple of years now and he's no longer central to the success of the team. So if he wants out, I say grab the 60m or whatever and get a replacement.
Bit of a shame really, because he's been part of the journey to get us to this stage but he'll be forgotten about if we are to start winning trophies.
I feel he's been on the decline for a couple of years now and he's no longer central to the success of the team. So if he wants out, I say grab the 60m or whatever and get a replacement.
Bit of a shame really, because he's been part of the journey to get us to this stage but he'll be forgotten about if we are to start winning trophies.
He's played numerous roles for us and has been a success and failure in all with equal measure.
Let's not go overboard.
He was sensational in my opinion.
He might be our most talented midfielder, but since he came back he wasn't able to cope with the pressure of leading us to titles. I like pogba but the media and many fans turned on him so quickly and was a scapegoat for all our failures.. but like many said I won't be upset if he leaves if we use his money to get players. Could be better for us in the long run!! Look at Coutinho, Hazard leaving when they were the best players.
It's PSG or bust. In this current climate, even before covid, the truth is the market just isn't there for Pogba, his demands and him as a player. No matter how great he can be, teams can't magic up the money to pay him and seemingly aren't in a rush to do so.
Spot on. Winds me up. It’s the worst because they clearly only support ‘star quality’ and not the best interests of the team and club.
No it's not. The player we're maybe getting rid of does that once or twice every ten games. KDB is much, much more consistent.
Honestly speaking I thought we were getting a player who can gel this team together but instead I have seen a player who has lost his way in this team. I'm sure he was frustrated during Jose's stint but a good player makes the players around him better. Pogba should've done better. He definitely has the personality and the skills to play anywhere in midfield and on the wings. He should've definitely done better but I think we got to see only a small percentage of that. Do not compare his stint at United to that of his at Juve or the French national team because it definitely isn't one and the same. We need a player in midfield who can run the show and it sure is not Pogba. I'm happy if he signs an extension and I love his style and intelligence on the pitch but I sure will not be dejected if he leaves because I do not want the club or Ole to beg for his services by overpaying. He doesn't deserve a 400K/week contract for sure.
If Pep was to build a midfielder that he hated on every level and was the antithesis of what he desired in a midfielder for his system, it would be Paul Pogba.
Do you actually support United?
I feel like we can sell him for a decent price (considering his contract situation) and use the money to get 1 or maybe 2 central midfielders who are a better fit to the team, despite being inferior to him talent wise. Trying to find a like for like of Pogba is near impossible but we can have a different approach with similar position player.
I remember everyone going nuts trying to find the next Roy Keane after he got booted out by Fergie. His direct replacement was Michael Carrick, who was certainly not comparable to Keane but he slotted in next to Scholes on paper, and then we won the next three league titles and went to two Champions League finals in that same time.
I remember everyone going nuts trying to find the next Roy Keane after he got booted out by Fergie. His direct replacement was Michael Carrick, who was certainly not comparable to Keane but he slotted in next to Scholes on paper, and then we won the next three league titles and went to two Champions League finals in that same time.
Sure, but I also love football. De Bruyne-Pogba midfield coached by Guardiola would be dreamy.
Yup I said as much about KDB. Who do you think we can sign that can recreate what KDB does?
The answer is nobody. The best thing we can do is keep our best players not sell them because they aren't as good as KDB.
I like him but I'd move well enough on if he left.
I'm not overly concerned if he goes, 50mill is a fair price considering the contract issues.
He is very much engima brilliant and frustrating all at the the same time, when he's on it, he's brilliant when he's not he's pretty dreadful. The good performances are just to few and far between and there are too many really poor performances thrown in for good measure.
The good pogba isn't worth the bad pogba even though the good pogba is our best player.
He is very much engima brilliant and frustrating all at the the same time, when he's on it, he's brilliant when he's not he's pretty dreadful. The good performances are just to few and far between and there are too many really poor performances thrown in for good measure.
The good pogba isn't worth the bad pogba even though the good pogba is our best player.
Is it though look at what he has won, league titles and cups at Juve where they win most seasons regardless of players but failed to win the big trophy the CL and the world Cup where he was surrounded with elite world class talent such as Mbappe and Kante among0st others, you could say since leaving Juve in club football he hasn't achieved all that much and what he had won prior he was expected to win because Juve have won as much since he left