Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

marc1_007 said:
He was a great player for Juventus, is probably France's best player, but does not show the same effectiveness for Utd, so ask yourself why is that, when you have a player like him you have to accommodate him, if not then don't buy him, all he ever needed was a true defensive midfielder but he never had one, sometimes I see him defending further back than Mctominay of Fred and he is not good at it, with regards to Bruno, Barca and Real were not interested, Pep was not interested, Bayern were not interested, if I remember it was only tottenham that was interested, he even played against liverpool in that pre-season and they did not buy him, what does that say about him. Like I said earlier, in England, so long as you are scoring goals, everything else is ignored, but in the current footballing climate, teams with players that generally do not keep the ball well do not win league titles
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From where did Bruno come out anyway and why the need to shit on him to up Pogba? Anyway he suits us better than Pogba as it was said here already and imo we would miss him more than Pogba. Of course if Pogba leaves we need to buy good to replace him. As for nobody wanting Bruno so what. Nobody was in for Sancho too, does that makes him a bad player? Bruno was instrumental in the last season and has taken the league by storm but suddenly he's a player because of who we arent winning trophies and should get rid of him if we want to make a step further?
Why cant they work together for instance? That Liverpool, Bayern or Madrid werent interested doesnt say nothing about him. Saint Pep wasnt interested so Bruno is crap I guess. Same Pep was interested in Fred or that was made up cause its Pep.

I agree about the goals, goals help massively in football and Bruno scores goals. And its not good that he gets dispossessed just as it isnt good when Pogba loses the ball too.
Pogba was great in Juventus cause he had great players around him in midfield and he's a highlights reel player, a spark you add to a good, balanced team but even then he plays 3 games good 2 bad. In the long run it was probably a bad buy cause we bought him without thinking how to fit him in. Maybe Jose thought Pogba is a world class midfielder who can work in more than one formation and more than one position, I dont know.

And he didnt play as a defensive mid at United but more a deep lying playmaker or sometimes a box to box midfielder. He played closed to goal too and on the mythical left side of midfield.
And he wasnt France's best player, that myth needs to go away. He played solid in a functional team and wasnt in no way instrumental in them winning the world cup.
As I said if he's that great how come he can play in just one position, his whole career at United was about who to buy to accommodate him and where he should play.

Even if you think he was great for us the whole time how you comment Raiola's constant shitting on United and putting Pogba in the window constantly and Pogba not shutting him up?

Maybe he should stay, with Sancho and potentially Varane coming that can be only good for the sesaon and maybe nobody can afford him. But on the other hand I just cant stand all the circus around him and him being constantly one foot out of the club. That's not good for the squad at all. If he stays it gets just prolonged till the winter.
 
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Anyone that goes to Old Trafford to watch United games will appreciate how classy Pogba really is.

His technique, his skill, his passing range and his movement are all sublime.

We don't have another player like him, selling him would be at detriment to the squad. We should be building the team around him and Bruno.

If he doesn't want to sign a new contract then fine, but keep him until his contract is finished and get the best out of him.

He is a truly world class player and one United need to keep in my opinion.
 
Just read Bruno is better than Pogba and it's time for me to leave this thread.

Didn't Bruno say he didn't want to sign a new contract until Pogba was re-signed?
 
Champ said:
Anyone that goes to Old Trafford to watch United games will appreciate how classy Pogba really is.

His technique, his skill, his passing range and his movement are all sublime.

We don't have another player like him, selling him would be at detriment to the squad. We should be building the team around him and Bruno.

If he doesn't want to sign a new contract then fine, but keep him until his contract is finished and get the best out of him.

He is a truly world class player and one United need to keep in my opinion.
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That would be disastrous. Imagine how unbearable Raiola will be next season when Pogba is free to talk to other clubs from January onwards. It would have an unsettling impact on the rest of the squad.

If Pogba doesn't sign a new contract in the next 2-3 weeks then we need to sell him to PSG in August.
 
Real Name said:
From where did Bruno come out anyway and why the need to shit on him to up Pogba? Anyway he suits us better than Pogba as it was said here already and imo we would miss him more than Pogba. Of course if Pogba leaves we need to buy good to replace him. As for nobody wanting Bruno so what. Nobody was in for Sancho too, does that makes him a bad player? Bruno was instrumental in the last season and has taken the league by storm but suddenly he's a player because of who we arent winning trophies and should get rid of him if we want to make a step further?
Why cant they work together for instance?
I agree about the goals, goals help massively in football and Bruno scores goals. And its not good that he gets dispossessed just as it isnt good when Pogba loses the ball too.
Pogba was great in Juventus cause he had great players around him in midfield and he's a highlights reel player, a spark you add to a good, balanced team but even then he plays 3 games good 2 bad.
And he didnt play as a defensive mid at United but more a deep lying playmaker or sometimes a box to box midfielder. He played closed to goal too and on the mythical left side of midfield.
And he wasnt France's best player, that myth needs to go away. He played solid in a functional team and wasnt in no way instrumental in them winning the world cup.
As I said if he's that great how come he can play in just one position, his whole career at United was about who to buy to accommodate him and where he should play.

Even if you think he was great for us the whole team how you comment Raiola's constant shitting on United and putting Pogba in the window constantly and Pogba not shutting him up?
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Nothing I said about Bruno is untrue, and I never said to get rid of him, just unlikely that we will win the league with him, and who else is going to go for Sancho in a pandemic, City were never going to buy him back, PSG have Neymar and Mbappe, Bayern have Gnabry and Coman, Chelsea are trying to buy Haaland, Barca are in a financial crisis, and Real are spending their money on redeveloping their stadium, Bruno was signed when teams still had money.
Pogba three good games , two bad games, I guess you never watched him.
played in a three man midfield with Matuidi and Pirlo so he drifted a lot to the left , it does not mean he played on the left side, that was usually the left footed Matuidi, Unlike you , I actually watched their games.
France had the best midfield in the World cup so by default he was instrumental in them winning the world cup, it obviously helped that he had Kante beside him but their midfield and attack was potent and it had a lot to do with the likes of Kante, Mbappe, Griezman and most definitely Pogba.
Why bother buy an attacking midfielder as you said and make him play defensive midfield, it's a recipe for failure, it would have been better not to buy him as opposed to playing him in the wrong position. Imagine Pogba playing deeper than Mctominay or Fred because they have no defensive discipline either and that happened a lot more than you might think, I hardly ever saw Bruno playing deeper than McTominay and Fred. Once again not a criticism of Bruno because he plays as an attacking midfielder for us.
 
It's came to the point where I don't care whether he leaves or not, but please let's drop silly stuff about us being better without him, because we're not.

If he leaves it's IMPERATIVE that the midfield is strengthened, it's weak as it is but will be so much weaker. To think our midfield options without Pogba are: Matic, McTominay, Fred, and potentially VdB (not including Pereira as he will obviously leave via loan or permanently and Garner will go out on loan.

That is soo weak for a team trying to win titles. Easily the worst in the top 6 in the league and would probably be the worst in the top 8. It is debatable whether it's better than teams lower down and the fact that it's debatable is a huge issue.

The midfield is such an important part of the team and it must not be neglected further as it will prohibit us from being successful. We can bring in Sancho and even Varane, but I don't think there will be significant improvement in performances and results unless we address the midfield area.
 
marc1_007 said:
Nothing I said about Bruno is untrue, and I never said to get rid of him, just unlikely that we will win the league with him, and who else is going to go for Sancho in a pandemic, City were never going to buy him back, PSG have Neymar and Mbappe, Bayern have Gnabry and Coman, Chelsea are trying to buy Haaland, Barca are in a financial crisis, and Real are spending their money on redeveloping their stadium, Bruno was signed when teams still had money.
Pogba three good games , two bad games, I guess you never watched him.
played in a three man midfield with Matuidi and Pirlo so he drifted a lot to the left , it does not mean he played on the left side, that was usually the left footed Matuidi, Unlike you , I actually watched their games.
France had the best midfield in the World cup so by default he was instrumental in them winning the world cup, it obviously helped that he had Kante beside him but their midfield and attack was potent and it had a lot to do with the likes of Kante, Mbappe, Griezman and most definitely Pogba.
Why bother buy an attacking midfielder as you said and make him play defensive midfield, it's a recipe for failure, it would have been better not to buy him as opposed to playing him in the wrong position. Imagine Pogba playing deeper than Mctominay or Fred because they have no defensive discipline either and that happened a lot more than you might think, I hardly ever saw Bruno playing deeper than McTominay and Fred. Once again not a criticism of Bruno because he plays as an attacking midfielder for us.
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Ooh the good old 'you never watched him' argument. You win. What's next - how old are you argument?
I wouldnt talk about him if I didnt watch him... Dont be childish please.

I watched him. And nothing you said disapproved anything I said. He had a great midfield around both in France in Juventus. And no he wasnt instrumental by default, it doesnt work that way. You yourself numbered all the players he had around him in France.
And he didnt play as a defensive midfielder for us. In the beginning thats what Matić played who was in fact bought to accommodate him. And he played in more than one position, him playing the most deep doesnt mean he's a defensive midfielder or played one. Bruno is a different player, that's why you didnt see him play deep. Pogba proved he can played deep to for France.
Even if Euros in one game he had a brilliant parts for instance vs Switzerland but was criticized for his lack of discipline too.

You're not criticising Bruno, just pointing out nobody wanted him...

Saying all that if he wants to leave then he should leave and we should replace him. He's been foot out of the club anyway for a good while, it will just make it official finally. It's sad to see for some it's Pogba > club. We lost many players, better and more important ones and the club survived. Pogba will just be a footnote in United history for better or worse.
 
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This fecking "Bruno vs Pogba" bullshit again. Are you not tired?

If Pogba does not sign the contract, then he does not want to play for United. Plain and simple.
Stop s*cking his d*ck. It's pathetic.

This club lost Staam, Beckham, Keane etc, top-top players and legends who, unlike Pogba, performed consistently and did not allow their agents to disrespect the club.

I liked Pogba since his academy days at the club, but if he does not want to be here, let him go. Good riddance.
 
RedDevilUnited369 said:
Just read Bruno is better than Pogba and it's time for me to leave this thread.

Didn't Bruno say he didn't want to sign a new contract until Pogba was re-signed?
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lenny_1248 said:
He never said that.
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Come again?

Man United star Bruno Fernandes 'will sign new £200,000-a-week contract... but only if Paul Pogba also commits his future to Old Trafford' as French midfielder prepares to make a decision this summer with just one year left on his existing deal
  • Bruno Fernandes has been offered a new five-year contract by Man United
  • Old Trafford deal would double his money to around £200,000 a week
  • But Portuguese star reportedly wants guarantees Paul Pogba will stay at United
  • Pogba will have just one year remaining on his contract after this summer
  • United want the French star to stay and help rebuild into a title-winning force

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...des-sign-new-contract-Paul-Pogba-commits.html
 
Real Name said:
Ooh the good old 'you never watched him' argument. You win. What's next - how old are you argument?
I wouldnt talk about him if I didnt watch him...

I watched him. And nothing you said disapproved anything I said. He had a great midfield around both in France in Juventus. And no he wasnt instrumental by default, it doesnt work that way. You yourself numbered all the players he had around him in France.
And he didnt play as a defensive midfielder for us. In the beginning thats what Matić played who was in fact bought to accommodate him. And he played in more than one position, him playing the most deep doesnt mean he's a defensive midfielder or played one. Bruno is a different player, that's why you didnt see him play deep. Pogba proved he can played deep to for France.
Even if Euros in one game he had a brilliant parts for instance vs Switzerland but was criticized for his lack of discipline too.

You're not criticising Bruno, just pointing out nobody wanted him...
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Oh Okay I see your logic now, so every french player except Pogba was instumental in them winning the world cup, Great analogy
 
Gerald G said:
It's came to the point where I don't care whether he leaves or not, but please let's drop silly stuff about us being better without him, because we're not.

If he leaves it's IMPERATIVE that the midfield is strengthened, it's weak as it is but will be so much weaker. To think our midfield options without Pogba are: Matic, McTominay, Fred, and potentially VdB (not including Pereira as he will obviously leave via loan or permanently and Garner will go out on loan.

That is soo weak for a team trying to win titles. Easily the worst in the top 6 in the league and would probably be the worst in the top 8. It is debatable whether it's better than teams lower down and the fact that it's debatable is a huge issue.

The midfield is such an important part of the team and it must not be neglected further as it will prohibit us from being successful. We can bring in Sancho and even Varane, but I don't think there will be significant improvement in performances and results unless we address the midfield area.
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Someone posted the stats on here, but our win rate significantly goes up when Pogba doesn't start under Ole.

Hard to argue against the facts.

I'd like for him to stay, but we've lost better players before and done fine.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Come again?

Man United star Bruno Fernandes 'will sign new £200,000-a-week contract... but only if Paul Pogba also commits his future to Old Trafford' as French midfielder prepares to make a decision this summer with just one year left on his existing deal
  • Bruno Fernandes has been offered a new five-year contract by Man United
  • Old Trafford deal would double his money to around £200,000 a week
  • But Portuguese star reportedly wants guarantees Paul Pogba will stay at United
  • Pogba will have just one year remaining on his contract after this summer
  • United want the French star to stay and help rebuild into a title-winning force

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...des-sign-new-contract-Paul-Pogba-commits.html
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Daily Mail
 
marc1_007 said:
Oh Okay I see your logic now, so every french player except Pogba was instumental in them winning the world cup, Great analogy
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Remind me, where did I say that, cause that isnt my logic? It's yours and by that logic he was instrumental and the best France player.
 
Real Name said:
Remind me, where did I say that, cause that isnt my logic? It's yours and by that logic he was instrumental and the best France player.
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I named four players that were instrumental including Pogba but you said he was not instrumental, by default meaning best midfield so he has to be instrumental as he was a vital part of that midfield
 
RedDevilUnited369 said:
Just read Bruno is better than Pogba and it's time for me to leave this thread.

Didn't Bruno say he didn't want to sign a new contract until Pogba was re-signed?
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For United Bruno has been easily better. It's not even a contest.

Pogba might have bigger talent overall though.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Come again?

Man United star Bruno Fernandes 'will sign new £200,000-a-week contract... but only if Paul Pogba also commits his future to Old Trafford' as French midfielder prepares to make a decision this summer with just one year left on his existing deal
  • Bruno Fernandes has been offered a new five-year contract by Man United
  • Old Trafford deal would double his money to around £200,000 a week
  • But Portuguese star reportedly wants guarantees Paul Pogba will stay at United
  • Pogba will have just one year remaining on his contract after this summer
  • United want the French star to stay and help rebuild into a title-winning force

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...des-sign-new-contract-Paul-Pogba-commits.html
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:lol: You lot will believe anything.
 
Champ said:
Anyone that goes to Old Trafford to watch United games will appreciate how classy Pogba really is.

His technique, his skill, his passing range and his movement are all sublime.

We don't have another player like him, selling him would be at detriment to the squad. We should be building the team around him and Bruno.

If he doesn't want to sign a new contract then fine, but keep him until his contract is finished and get the best out of him.

He is a truly world class player and one United need to keep in my opinion.
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I don’t think anyone disputes how good he can be & how important he is when on form.

On the Old Trafford point, find that very strange as the fanbase inside the grounds is generally as split as this place is on him.
 
marc1_007 said:
I named four players that were instrumental including Pogba but you said he was not instrumental, by default meaning best midfield so he has to be instrumental as he was a vital part of that midfield
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All right mate.
 
Pogba wanna go? Go. Sink the 50 million into getting Declan Rice along with war chest and also get Camavinga. I'd be happy with that. This will he wont he is worse than Rachel and Ross.
 
I wonder what Pogbas stats are because I always have it in my head that he is a worldie for 3-4 games per year and the rest he is average and he gives the ball away a lot and also gives the impression that he cant be bothered too. Am I wrong? My god the circus that comes with him too. Surely this can't be worth the talent. Lets get someone that actually wants to play for the shirt and is grateful to be at Old Trafford.
 
What a way to ruin your career, nobody outside France gives a crap about PSG he will wittle away into nothing.

his “brand” will slump big time.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
That would be disastrous. Imagine how unbearable Raiola will be next season when Pogba is free to talk to other clubs from January onwards. It would have an unsettling impact on the rest of the squad.

If Pogba doesn't sign a new contract in the next 2-3 weeks then we need to sell him to PSG in August.
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Why would Raiolas actions impact the club and squad?

Pogba is a professional and am sure he would carry on being a professional.

If the club need the money then sell him, if they don't then keep him.
 
People suggesting using the Pogba money to get Declan Rice need to screw their heads on properly.
 
Mainoldo said:
Bruno Fernandes will never get a club as big as United ever in his life. He’s not good enough as a player.

The day we stop making him our main man is the day we start winning.

If Pogba leaves it will be Lovely to get Grealish in and remove Bruno’s dominance. But it won’t happen.
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This is very extreme and interesting opinion, especially considering Bruno has been key player for us since he joined. It's hardly a discussion because it's facts based.
 
JB7 said:
I don’t think anyone disputes how good he can be & how important he is when on form.

On the Old Trafford point, find that very strange as the fanbase inside the grounds is generally as split as this place is on him.
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I'm saying seeing him live gives a different view that you don't often get on TV.

The fan base will always be split, we see that with Bruno and Rashford despite their value and output for the team.
 
Champ said:
I'm saying seeing him live gives a different view that you don't often get on TV.

The fan base will always be split, we see that with Bruno and Rashford despite their value and output for the team.
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Yeah I agree it does but that view gives you both positives and a negatives that you don't see on TV where the cameras follow the ball - especially around Pogba who's off-ball work is not the best.
 
Champ said:
Why would Raiolas actions impact the club and squad?

Pogba is a professional and am sure he would carry on being a professional.

If the club need the money then sell him, if they don't then keep him.
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Remember the day before our crucial decider against Leipzig when Raiola came out and said "Paul Pogba is unhappy at Manchester United and he needs a change of scenery". Remember how infuriating that was? Imagine that but 10 times worse.

If you're happy with Raiola shouting his mouth off about Pogba's unhappiness then fair enough, but I'd much rather we went into this season without that kind of distraction before crucial games.
 
It seems there is a level of momentum for him leaving. I'd rather he resigned, if not let him go...
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Remember the day before our crucial decider against Leipzig when Raiola came out and said "Paul Pogba is unhappy at Manchester United and he needs a change of scenery". Remember how infuriating that was? Imagine that but 10 times worse.

If you're happy with Raiola shouting his mouth off about Pogba's unhappiness then fair enough, but I'd much rather we went into this season without that kind of distraction before crucial games.
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If Raiola running his mouth (what's new?) is enough to derail our season then we have bigger problems...
 
Mainoldo said:
Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring :lol:
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The thing is football isn't measured on just talent alone, it's the intangibles that make people from good to being great, I would say Pogba has the technical attributes to be the best in the world however if you offered me the Pogba we've seen at United or the Bruno we have seen at United I am taking the Bruno every time no question about that.
 
Mainoldo said:
Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring :lol:
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Don’t think anyone can argue Bruno’s impact the last 2 seasons has been greater than anything we’ve seen from Pogba.

Both great players. One wants to be here and the other doesn’t and it shows.
 
Gavinb33 said:
The thing is football isn't measured on just talent alone, it's the intangibles that make people from good to being great, I would say Pogba has the technical attributes to be the best in the world however if you offered me the Pogba we've seen at United or the Bruno we have seen at United I am taking the Bruno every time no question about that.
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I’ll say it again. We keep using this talent word like Pogba is Taarbat or Ricardo Quresma. He’s a well decorated football who has performed on the biggest of stages. It’s more than just talent that is getting him through. Otherwise he’d be going to play for Middlesbrough like Gazza.
 
JJ12 said:
Don’t think anyone can argue Bruno’s impact the last 2 seasons has been greater than anything we’ve seen from Pogba.

Both great players. One wants to be here and the other doesn’t and it shows.
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Not really I seen a team when a Europa league and EL cup under Pogba whilst collecting the biggest points tally and best finish since SAF left. Also managing to progress out of Champions League group stages.

Under Bruno I’ve just seen us bottle finals and semi finals whilst finishing a respectable second. That’s the facts, but it doesn’t sound like the story your telling.
 
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