Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

[lenny_1248]

-------------Brozovic---------------
----Bruno-----------Camavinga

A deep-lying playmaker (6). A ball-winner who presses relentlessly and is great with his dribbling (8). A creative mid (10).
Would be close to ideal.

 

[Berbasbullet]

PSG will try a final push for the CL trophy, while they still have Mbappe and Neymar. Adding Pogba, they are the most deadly offensive team ever.

RM has an golden opportunity to do a swap deal including Pogba. I think that what’s dragging out the Varane deal right now. RM has to agree personal terms with Pogba, and that’s difficult these days when RM try to cut wages.

Pretty sure Pogba leaves for RM or PSG; either swap with Varane or €50-60m. I’m happy if we get Varane or €50m for Pogba.

Best to sell him while we still get descent money for him. Not very fan of keeping him 3 more years on a very expensive contract.

I’m not convinced Madrid can afford Pogbas salary. But I agree a straight swap is the best and fairest deal.

 

[Judas]

I don't think Real want Pogba. When were they last linked with him? He's having to settle for PSG as they're the only team who want him and will pay him the mad wages we seem willing to do.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Once again we’ve been done over by a player running down he’s contract and holding the club to ransom. How hard can it be to offer new deal at 3 years left and if rejected start looking for a replacement and buy at year 2 and sell the player who wants to feck us about. Now he’s just gonna ask for a stupid amount and if he gets it he wins, if he don’t then some club gets him cheap and gives him what he wants and he wins. He ain’t done feck all at United apart from show glimpse of world class but then so has Greenwood!

How on earth is he holding the club to ransom?

 

[ivaldo]

Nope, still got me. Are you saying Raiola has bummed us 7-8 times or just various agents have bummed us, lined up in front of Woody with their cocktract demands in their hands?

No, quite the opposite. It was sarcasm. This notion that Pogba/Raiola keeps fecking us over is pure fantasy created to further push the narrative that Pogba is the bogeyman.

 

[Bebestation]

Haaland will be the same type of behaviour at United.

If you want an agent like Raiola it's a good 75% indicative of what your ability is like.

 

[Escobar]

People still underestimate him because they don't like him. He will be missed, no doubt. However, if we invest wisely, we can make up for that and, potentially, as a team be stronger.
PSG seems to be the only club who can afford him, and I would prefer we sell him then lose him for nothing.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

€60m would be amazing.

 

[Borys]

People still underestimate him because they don't like him. He will be missed, no doubt. However, if we invest wisely, we can make up for that and, potentially, as a team be stronger.
PSG seems to be the only club who can afford him, and I would prefer we sell him then lose him for nothing.

Just like people overrate him because he looks good for France.

 

[Idxomer]

Not many reliable sources of him leaving since the Bouhafsi report.

I think the transfer fee+wages may prove to be too expensive for any team this summer.

 

[Mercurial]

PSG will try a final push for the CL trophy, while they still have Mbappe and Neymar. Adding Pogba, they are the most deadly offensive team ever.

RM has an golden opportunity to do a swap deal including Pogba. I think that what’s dragging out the Varane deal right now. RM has to agree personal terms with Pogba, and that’s difficult these days when RM try to cut wages.

Pretty sure Pogba leaves for RM or PSG; either swap with Varane or €50-60m. I’m happy if we get Varane or €50m for Pogba.

Best to sell him while we still get descent money for him. Not very fan of keeping him 3 more years on a very expensive contract.

You are probably fairly right on this, it makes the most sense.

 

[Mainoldo]

So Pogba is better than Bruno? You'd sell Bruno if it meant keeping Pogba?

Pogba is better than Bruno and it’s not even a debate. There’s about 10 midfielders in Europe that could replace Bruno as many probably would say for Pogba. We aren’t talking about CR7 in both cases.

 

[Mainoldo]

What the feck is that supposed to mean?

Its an absolute stone cold hard fact that our results have been better since Bruno arrived and he's had the consistent impact that many thought Pogba would have had for the 4 years prior

In 5 seasons Pogba has 38 goals for the club
In 1 and a half seasons Bruno has 40

Im sure someone who knows how to get the all comps stats can elaborate on this but in 1 and a half PL seasons Bruno has 19 assists, Pogba's only got 29 in 5

Pogba whether it's because he's been poorly coached or simply isn't clever enough cant dictate play from deep because he's never the one picking it up off of the CB's because he's too busy stood in space behind in the opposition attack and in front of their midfield and for the same reason can't play as a 10 because he doesn't know how to find the space behind the opposition midfield and in front of their defence. That equates to him being a massive luxury player

On his day Pogba's capable of the sublime and that's why it'll be tough to see him leave but the odd long range match winning goal against a West Ham/Burnley or Fulham really overshadow the much larger pool of games where he struggles to make an impact. Because of his capabilities of the sublime my heart says I want to see him for one more year this time with hopefully Varane behind him and Sancho ahead of him but my head tells me that actually won't make the difference I think it could

Well we will see if our results improve with Bruno that doesn’t have a Pogba in the team too.

 

[Mainoldo]

You changed it because your original post was nonsense.

Regards Kante or Pogba, I reckon if you did a survey of fans of the 18 PL clubs they don’t play for as to which player they’d rather have I’d be amazed if Pogba won 5 votes. He may not technically be a better player but having Kante in our team would improve us a hell of a lot more than Pogba does - same goes for every player I mentioned.

I changed it because you didn’t give me an answer. Stop trying to give the big balls. The evidence is there

 

[Hackman2210]

Isn’t VDB his replacement then? We got Bruno, Sancho Cavani Greenwood with Rashford, James, martial and amad as cover. Midfield is 2 of McT Fred garner matic mata VDB - 14 players for 6 positions and then there’s shoretire Hannibal etc.

 

[Mainoldo]

Who offers more to their team? When Pogba was missing from the team, we actually missed nothing. In the 5 years, he has been with the club, he never had a season where he was performing like a top talent on a consistent basis. There are many players who offer much more to their team

Has Bruno? I mean he consistently is nowhere to be seen in a big game. I can’t recall one Man City like performance that Pogba had, there’s also zero trophies to show for it whilst also arguably playing in a better team.

It’s all hype but not reality. Like someone pretending we develop youth.

 

[Borys]

Pogba is better than Bruno and it’s not even a debate. There’s about 10 midfielders in Europe that could replace Bruno as many probably would say for Pogba. We aren’t talking about CR7 in both cases.

It's only your subjective opinion which is not supported by any evidence, so I guess there is no point in debating indeed.

 

[DWelbz19]

Isn’t VDB his replacement then? We got Bruno, Sancho Cavani Greenwood with Rashford, James, martial and amad as cover. Midfield is 2 of McT Fred garner matic mata VDB - 14 players for 6 positions and then there’s shoretire Hannibal etc.

We’ve got numbers, but hardly the quality. The central midfield was hardly good enough this season to mount a serious title challenge. How would losing one of the best players and replacing him internally fix anything?

 

[Real Name]

Just get it done. If he stays we'll have the same story in the winter and round and round we go. If we sell him it's important we invest wisely, Camavinga and one more midfielder maybe. We'll survive and he'll fit right in PSG, I can see his Instagram getting on fire. On paper he's a great midfielder, too bad he didnt show it often enough.
He should play as a nr. 10, in a midfield 2, in a midfield 3, on the left side of midfield and so on...
Of course its not all his fault but he just doesn't fit. Even if he did fit there's his fat bastard of an agent who cant close his mouth. And the fact Pogba doesnt stop him speaks enough.

Pogba cares and loves United? Give me a brake.

 

[Mainoldo]

It's only your subjective opinion which is not supported by any evidence, so I guess there is no point in debating indeed.

Bruno Fernandes will never get a club as big as United ever in his life. He’s not good enough as a player.

The day we stop making him our main man is the day we start winning.

If Pogba leaves it will be Lovely to get Grealish in and remove Bruno’s dominance. But it won’t happen.

 

[gazbradley]

It feels the right time to move on, I think the better time to sell was last season but Covid messed up any chance of getting a decent fee. It’ll be interesting to see how the club deal with it if he’s not signing a new deal cos with PSG the only realistic buyers I can’t see them offering much over £40m especially with paying Mino on top. It’ll be a shame cos I had high hopes for him when he re-signed but it’s just not worked out that way for numerous reasons

 

[Real Name]

He should hold out for Man City IMO. Whether that's this season or just walk out on a free next season.

That would be just perfect. Wonder if some fans will still adore him after that if it happens.

 

[RkkMan]

Isn’t VDB his replacement then? We got Bruno, Sancho Cavani Greenwood with Rashford, James, martial and amad as cover. Midfield is 2 of McT Fred garner matic mata VDB - 14 players for 6 positions and then there’s shoretire Hannibal etc.

It would be beyond criminal not to replace Pogba's quality with a purchase in the market. The numbers are there but not the quality. Bruno/VdB/Sancho would probably compensate for his creativity but we'd still be lacking a DM to make it click Pogba's fee plus Lingard gives us a good opportunity to go all out for Declan Rice

 

[wise_old_man]

I reckon we're holding off announcing Sancho because the club knows Pogba is leaving and want to keep the clubs narrative upbeat. So when the Sancho announcement finally comes i'd expect Pogba to leave soon after.

I don't get your idea? Shouldn't it be the opposite: Pogba leaving then announcing Sancho to get the good mood back?

 

[pav1790]

Au revoir.

You wouldn't say that if you knew what it meant - unless you meant in CL final when we beat whatever team he's part of.

 

[charlenefan]

Has Bruno? I mean he consistently is nowhere to be seen in a big game. I can’t recall one Man City like performance that Pogba had, there’s also zero trophies to show for it whilst also arguably playing in a better team.

It’s all hype but not reality. Like someone pretending we develop youth.

And now it's clear why you're on ignore

 

[Josep Dowling]

Pogba is better than Bruno and it’s not even a debate. There’s about 10 midfielders in Europe that could replace Bruno as many probably would say for Pogba. We aren’t talking about CR7 in both cases.

Absolute rubbish. If Pogba is so good why is he a massive selection issue for us?

Can’t play in a midfield two because he’s defensively rubbish. Needs Kanté next to him to look world class for France. If a players needs others around him to look good he clearly isn’t world class. We have tried 4-3-3 with him, 4-2-3-1 with him and it’s never worked. He just isn’t worth the hype.

In fact the only period of time he’s looked world class for us was when Ole first took charge of the club. That’s around 2 months of good form in 5 years! How can you call that a world class player?

 

[JB7]

I changed it because you didn’t give me an answer. Stop trying to give the big balls. The evidence is there

Literally no evidence is there at all, it is your opinion & I see you’re now trying to suggest Pogba is a much better player than Bruno which suggests you’ve been on the sauce all night.

 

[Mainoldo]

Literally no evidence is there at all, it is your opinion & I see you’re now trying to suggest Pogba is a much better player than Bruno which suggests you’ve been on the sauce all night.

Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring

 

[Mainoldo]

Absolute rubbish. If Pogba is so good why is he a massive selection issue for us?

Can’t play in a midfield two because he’s defensively rubbish. Needs Kanté next to him to look world class for France. If a players needs others around him to look good he clearly isn’t world class. We have tried 4-3-3 with him, 4-2-3-1 with him and it’s never worked. He just isn’t worth the hype.

In fact the only period of time he’s looked world class for us was when Ole first took charge of the club. That’s around 2 months of good form in 5 years! How can you call that a world class player?

How many games has he been benched? Interested to know because you’d think he was a super sub last season.

Infact I will answer it. He was subbed 5 matches out of 26.

 

[Escobar]

Just like people overrate him because he looks good for France.

He looked very good for us and saved our butt plenty of times in difficult situations... But people think he's lazy so they don't like him

 

[GoldanoGraham]

I think it’s well played leaking out that Pog and his agent have no intention of resigning with us as that now pushed the onus on them to respond to the PSG chat and to end all the speculation….we now show we have tried and are justified in getting a deal sorted for him - I’m sure we have known for a long time he isn’t staying and I’m sure that the club will be happy to put an end to the never ending circus that follows those two…..

 

[Idxomer]

Absolute rubbish. If Pogba is so good why is he a massive selection issue for us?

Can’t play in a midfield two because he’s defensively rubbish. Needs Kanté next to him to look world class for France. If a players needs others around him to look good he clearly isn’t world class. We have tried 4-3-3 with him, 4-2-3-1 with him and it’s never worked. He just isn’t worth the hype.

In fact the only period of time he’s looked world class for us was when Ole first took charge of the club. That’s around 2 months of good form in 5 years! How can you call that a world class player?

That's obviously not true, he was our best player in his 1st season and also in the 2nd till the Sanchez signing and his subsequent bust-ups with Mourinho. He was head and shoulders above any of our players in his 3rd season once again and got in PFA team of the year.

He got injured in 2019 and basically missed a whole season but came back after lockdown and helped us finishing 3rd. Last season he started badly mostly because of covid but from December on, his form was very good with the exception of few games.

 

[marc1_007]

Absolute rubbish. If Pogba is so good why is he a massive selection issue for us?

Can’t play in a midfield two because he’s defensively rubbish. Needs Kanté next to him to look world class for France. If a players needs others around him to look good he clearly isn’t world class. We have tried 4-3-3 with him, 4-2-3-1 with him and it’s never worked. He just isn’t worth the hype.

In fact the only period of time he’s looked world class for us was when Ole first took charge of the club. That’s around 2 months of good form in 5 years! How can you call that a world class player?

As a Utd fan, it is really frustrating that we have wasted five years of possibly the most gifted midfielder of his generation because his coaches insisted on playing him primarily as a defensive midfielder and that only happened because he is a big lad just like they have done with Mctominay who is a box to box midfielder and not a defensive midfielder. When Bruno came, he instantly got the freedom to play without any defensive commitments, imagine if Pogba had been allowed to play this role.

I can imagine players and managers from rival teams laughing at us for wasting the best years of a supreme talent like Pogba, now lets watch him go on and probably win the champions league with PSG, I expect them to do a lot better than we do.

As much as I like Bruno, I don't believe we can win much with him because we have no control in midfield and the little we had will leave with Pogba because for all his defensive deficiencies, he's the only player in the midfield that can pass and also keep possession of the ball as well as dribble with it if need be, for lack of a better word he is our most press resistant player, and as much end product as Bruno produces, he is very wasteful and you can see the results against the big teams because he never shows up, just like he didn't for Portugal in the Euros. I hope I'm wrong on this but I doubt it. I always wondered why we were the only big club that went in for him with his extraordinary end product, but I guess that only goes to show that in England we prefer numbers so goals and assists trumps everything irrespective of the fact that he gives the ball away more than most players that play in his position and that hurts the most against the big teams because they use the ball much better than the smaller teams he gets his numbers against, I guess thats why portugal decided that they were better off benching him

We are a massive club so we should never keep a player who wants to leave but I hope they spend the money wisely and I truly hope we can replace Pogba with a player like Saul Niguez and to a lesser extent Camavinga because they have similar traits to Pogba and might actually prefer defending with Niguez playing for an ultra defensive coach like Simeone, and Camavinga amongst the players with the most successful tackles made in the top five leagues.

The key thing if we do lose Pogba though is that since Ole wants to go to a 4-3-3, we need to keep possession better so we need a true defensive midfielder because , Fred and McTominay are not it and he has to make Bruno more disciplined, probably reduce his output but give us more control in games

 

[TrueRed79]

Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring

Pogba is a better player in a technical sense, that's all. There is more to football than what he offers in a general sense. He's a luxury player. If you have all other aspects of your team nailed on and need a bit of star dust so to speak, then adding a player like Pogba can improve your team. The way we are right now, hell no. It hasn't worked out here, move on. I'd way prefer Bruno in my team over him any day.

 

[Real Name]

Paul Pogba, apparently a world class midfielder who can play in only one position in midfield although nobody is sure which position that is. And he needs that and that player to 'work his magic', than his world class is there to show. But lots of conditions need to be fulfilled before.
Play in in a midfield 2, no that takes away his dangerousness on the goal, play him behind the striker then he doesnt see that much of a ball cause he's a great passer, play him left side of a midfield, make a formation to suit him but then it's something 3rd.
Also I love how people mention Bruno being dispossessed a lot. Yeah unlike Pogba who likes to dilly dally on the ball and often loses a a ball in dangerous positions.
Truly world class midfielder can play in more than one position with good quality.

Even if you take away all that there's constant circus around him and his agent and it really isn't worth it.

 

[Mainoldo]

Pogba is a better player in a technical sense, that's all. There is more to football than what he offers in a general sense. He's a luxury player. If you have all other aspects of your team nailed on and need a bit of star dust so to speak, then adding a player like Pogba can improve your team. The way we are right now, hell no. It hasn't worked out here, move on. I'd way prefer Bruno in my team over him any day.

It’s like saying Frank Lampard is better than Zidane.

 

[JB7]

Im not going to take anyway serious that thinks Bruno is better than Pogba. It’s boring

It's probably boring for you because it's true. He impacts our team considerably more than Pogba and taking him out of the team is much more noticeable than taking Pogba out of the team.

Pogba can do things Bruno can probably only dream of at times, no one is disputing that. And if you were going to label their attributes in a video game style, Pogba stats may well add up to more than Brunos for the simple fact of how technically brilliant he can be. But no one in their right mind can argue that he is more important to us than Fernandes.

You're blinded by something about Pogba and you're quite willing to slate a brilliant player such as Fernandes in lieu of sticking to an argument.

 

[mu4c_20le]

As a Utd fan, it is really frustrating that we have wasted five years of possibly the most gifted midfielder of his generation because his coaches insisted on playing him primarily as a defensive midfielder and that only happened because he is a big lad just like they have done with Mctominay who is a box to box midfielder and not a defensive midfielder. When Bruno came, he instantly got the freedom to play without any defensive commitments, imagine if Pogba had been allowed to play this role.

I can imagine players and managers from rival teams laughing at us for wasting the best years of a supreme talent like Pogba, now lets watch him go on and probably win the champions league with PSG, I expect them to do a lot better than we do.

As much as I like Bruno, I don't believe we can win much with him because we have no control in midfield and the little we had will leave with Pogba because for all his defensive deficiencies, he's the only player in the midfield that can pass and also keep possession of the ball as well as dribble with it if need be, for lack of a better word he is our most press resistant player, and as much end product as Bruno produces, he is very wasteful and you can see the results against the big teams because he never shows up, just like he didn't for Portugal in the Euros. I hope I'm wrong on this but I doubt it. I always wondered why we were the only big club that went in for him with his extraordinary end product, but I guess that only goes to show that in England we prefer numbers so goals and assists trumps everything irrespective of the fact that he gives the ball away more than most players that play in his position and that hurts the most against the big teams because they use the ball much better than the smaller teams he gets his numbers against, I guess thats why portugal decided that they were better off benching him

We are a massive club so we should never keep a player who wants to leave but I hope they spend the money wisely and I truly hope we can replace Pogba with a player like Saul Niguez and to a lesser extent Camavinga because they have similar traits to Pogba and might actually prefer defending with Niguez playing for an ultra defensive coach like Simeone, and Camavinga amongst the players with the most successful tackles made in the top five leagues.

The key thing if we do lose Pogba though is that since Ole wants to go to a 4-3-3, we need to keep possession better so we need a true defensive midfielder because , Fred and McTominay are not it and he has to make Bruno more disciplined, probably reduce his output but give us more control in games

Top post. Bruno has essentially played as a second striker for us since day one, of course his numbers will look better. Pogba's a victim of his own versatility and dynamism.

 

[marc1_007]

Paul Pogba, apparently a world class midfielder who can play in only one position in midfield although nobody is sure which position that is. And he needs that and that player to 'work his magic', than his world class is there to show. But lots of conditions need to be fulfilled before.
Play in in a midfield 2, no that takes away his dangerousness on the goal, play him behind the striker then he doesnt see that much of a ball cause he's a great passer, play him left side of a midfield, make a formation to suit him but then it's something 3rd.
Also I love how people mention Bruno being dispossessed a lot. Yeah unlike Pogba who likes to dilly dally on the ball and often loses a a ball in dangerous positions.
Truly world class midfielder can play in more than one position with good quality.

Even if you take away all that there's constant circus around him and his agent and it really isn't worth it.

He was a great player for Juventus, is probably France's best player, but does not show the same effectiveness for Utd, so ask yourself why is that, when you have a player like him you have to accommodate him, if not then don't buy him, all he ever needed was a true defensive midfielder but he never had one, sometimes I see him defending further back than Mctominay of Fred and he is not good at it, with regards to Bruno, Barca and Real were not interested, Pep was not interested, Bayern were not interested, if I remember it was only tottenham that was interested, he even played against liverpool in that pre-season and they did not buy him, what does that say about him. Like I said earlier, in England, so long as you are scoring goals, everything else is ignored, but in the current footballing climate, teams with players that generally do not keep the ball well do not win league titles