Where has anyone said that? Only thing anyone has said is don't be overly aggressive and overboard in your criticism. Criticise the black player the same way you criticise the white players.
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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Where has anyone said that? Only thing anyone has said is don't be overly aggressive and overboard in your criticism. Criticise the black player the same way you criticise the white players.
Considering how he has talked about him for the last couple years you think he doesn't?
Do you think he would have had a rant like that about anyone else?
He even went to the point of saying James is a leader in that situation Whereas pogba is just some selfish guy.
No, he doesn't. You also think he's racist too?
"Old white man Neville". 
These sort of threads take a weird turn almost every time.
These sort of threads take a weird turn almost every time.Saying that your comments come from a position of privilege was not intended to be uncivil. It was an observation.So because I disagree with your agenda I am a man of privilege even when you do not know a single thing about me. How very typical.
How about you come off that high horse of moral ambiguity and contribute something meaningful instead of spouting that same old drivel about how people are privileged if they do not share the same viewpoint.
Then maybe we could have a civil discussion
You make a good point. I know nothing about you. You then go on to tell me I have an agenda and then state the reason I believe you are privileged is because we have differing views - how ironic.
Looking at the state of this thread the last place for a civil discussion on race is this forum.
“Same old drivel”, “moral ambiguity”, “high horse” - all very progressive terms in a discussion.
Just to clear things up, I sit somewhere in the middle on this issue.
Does Gary Neville going on a rant trigger racists to be racist? I highly doubt it but the way people are falling over themselves to ignore the way Pogba has been treated by 'pundits' in certain cases is disturbing. Saying that his treatment has something to do with his race does not mean people believe the likes of Neville wear white hooded cloaks in their spare time. People do not operate in silos, Pogba represents a part of society that a lot of people are uncomfortable with and ignorant of.
Pogba's performances for United are often bad enough that the analysis doesn't need any bolstering with criticism of his attitude in the dressing room etc. and any stories are always littered with vague cliche terms. If pundits like Neville actually gave concrete stories instead of 'i hear', 'they're saying' etc. then fine but to go on regular impassioned tirades and stand back doesn't seem ok to me. That doesn't mean he is attempting to incite racists btw but the whole media machine at Sky crave interactions on their social media platforms and they'd be naive to believe a number of their followers don't have unsavory motives.
You can dislike Paul Pogba and not be racist. You can report in a negative manner on Paul Pogba and not be racist. Yet you begin your discussion by ruling out the possibility that Pogba's race may have a part in the way he is discussed by pundits - so I don't see another way to class your post.
I could go on but it will get lost in the wave of arguments already going on.
BTW, calling somebody privileged doesn't mean I'm calling you a racist. As i said, things are so black and white on here there is no nuance for conversations to breath and expand, meaning points are often misconstrued or poorly worded [something I can be at fault of - A LOT].
That has nothing to do with racists.
Even if Neville has an agenda against Pogba (or simply doesn't like him), it is not because he's black. Ffs, get a grip mate.
You can't hold Neville responsible for other racist, just because he criticizes certain players.
And I’ll make it very simple for you: what did he say that was abusive? That he was selfish? So is that a strictly no-go area when describing black players in the future?
I don't know Neville personally I don't know how he talks in his own home. But he comes from a background who for sure wouldn't be scared to let some of their bias cloud their judgement on players.
I don't think he is racist but he definitely struggles to understand or relate to pogba that is for sure.
People really do need to stop talking in absolutes for people they do not know.
So, Neville is a suspect now being possibly a racist, based on absolutely nothing?
What's exactly this background youre talking about?
What does that even mean?
Great,more dishonest and untrue assertions meant to minimize and obfuscate the discussion at hand. Bravo
Is that all Neville has said about pogba?.........
As I said no point discussing because your being disingenuous
How do you know this (whatever it means)? Looking forward to evidence, not opinion, given you have been so definitive.
You just can't do nothing about how some people behave. Pogba needs to realize not all fans are the same but I think he will ask for a move for this.
White working class background. Where actually most of the outright racist comments that have been shouted at me have come from.
Who said Neville is a racist? I certainly didn't.So, Neville is a suspect now being possibly a racist, based on absolutely nothing?
Don't try to subvert this.
You're talking for a man you don't know, making 'factual claims' to suit your argument - don't try to say I'm calling Neville a racist because you're overstepping your mark.
In my day to day life I don't make assumptions of who is or is not racist and I certainly do not do it of TV personalities.
My reply wasn't about Neville's beliefs, because like you I don't know exactly what they are my comment was, People really do need to stop talking in absolutes for people they do not know.
I give up in this thread now. Now it’s just making things up and absoulute broad brush statements
So he can 'go overboard' criticising white posters because all racists are white, just not blacks or he will incite racists. So Neville should treat black and white players differently then?
I'm sure that at Madrid they'll treat him a lot better.Like he hasn't already, who knows how many times?!
Well I have repeatedly asked you to provide some other evidence, but rather than do so, you’ve continually hidden behind platitudes and charged words like ‘hatred’ and ‘abuse’ and an especially bizarre and speculative bit about Neville’s upbringing.
Nope he should treat them the same. The point is he clearly doesn't he saves his crazy rants and aggressive anger for pogba.
No one has suggested this, though. But hey, contribute to dragging the discussion down even further, that'll surely help to save this shitshow of a thread.
I did bring evidence I gave an example of yesterday and the addidas situation with mourinho. I told you what he said and you completely ignored it.
When was the last time he had a crazy rant about Pogba, does he do it regulary? Didn't he criticize other players too?
His bias cloud is cloying and dense.
At this point it's hard not to blame him when he was singled out and abused by his own fanbase at home to end last season and the venom and scapegoating has only increased and become toxic to start the season.
Add to that that we only strengthened one particular area of the squad this summer while ignoring everything else and we're not really in position to challenge for honors at this point and how happy would anyone be in a situation like this?
Would be hard to find anyone willing to stick around to be public enemy no.1 just for the sake of it
This will push him even more IMO. He can use something like that tbh. But I don't care as ling as he dosen't like to be here but I am thinking what if he goes and we stuck with what we have in kidfield and Ole came out and said I trust the youth bla bla bla..?Like he hasn't already, who knows how many times?!
This kind of wilful ignorance keeps rearing its head. No ones saying you cant criticize a player. What people are talking about is going beyond just criticism and appearing to personalize that player. Do normal criticisms against missed penalties take 30 minutes to discuss?
Stop trying to conflate the two.
Also, saying that someone is helping to create an atmosphere is not the same as saying that person is to blame.
Comprehension of some arguments here have totally missed the mark.
I've not read every post in here so if you can find one please quote it for me but I haven't seen anyone [pretty much] say you can't criticize 'minority' players.
Also the first one, are you being serious? "white people in general"
So cause of this background he's probably racist? You lost me, I really don't understand your point.
Thread should be about condemning racist abuse towards Pogba, instead driven by other agenda's, its being conflated with Neville with only circumstantial opinion.
Honestly think Mods should close it. @Sultan The amount of slander being directed at Neville is quite something.
The last time he went on about pogba was end of the season where we were struggling again and he went on about players like pogba not being committed affecting the team moving forward.
Neville has shown zero evidence so far of him being a racist or having special 'treatment towards players because of their race.
If you say he might be, or whatever is your point, than back it up.
Neville has always been spot on when discussing racism as a problem in football and called for taking immediate action. For example:
You are right I don't know him personally, but that doesn't make him a suspect of having different attitude towards minorities or players of different race to his.
My point is that he's not a racist and never has been and has nothing to do with igniting that racial hate towards Pogba.
If you have a different claim to fit your narrative then it's you who has to back it up, because he's someone who is on TV for decades and has never been accused of being a racist or even under suspicion being one.
Great post. Will be lost on some here sadly. People really need to try and see things from a different lens from time to time, might help them understand better issues like this.
No I said I don't know him and from what I know he isn't racist. But I wouldn't be surprised if he grew up in a place with biases against people of colour.
He criticized him for missing a penalty which is hardly a crime. We don't have a designated penalty taker as Marcus Rashford comfirmed after the Chelsea game. So Neville's tirade against a player who has been called lazy by pundits/journos and a cnut by various fans on here contrary to the evidence available, and verbally abused in the stadium raises a few eye browse considering he's our best player.
Souness who has consistently villified Pogba, loves James Maddison because he's got a swagger about him apparently.
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Ok so humour me: what exact words/phrases from yesterday were incendiary? And what about from the Adidas episode? Feel free to quote yourself if it’s easier.