I will blame the usual suspects.
scousers.
scousers.
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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This is probably going to be my last post since I keep repeating myself. NOBODY IS BLAMING GARY NEVILLE FOR TWITTER TROLLS. Gary Neville was hysterical and his criticism was unneeded. That's my point. It's not that ANYTHING he says can trigger an increase in negativity it's specifically the vitriol that came out of his mouth yesterday. It wasn't a nuanced measured opinion, it was the equivalent of a hit piece and that is where I'm drawing the distinction. It's really simple stuff you are trying to morph into something else.
This is on Gary Neville. He set off a viscous precedent right after the game when emotions were high. Ultimately he didn’t control his emotions. Anyone that watched the game realized he had a really good game. The racism is just disgusting
Eaxactly like many fans with Pogba...
Gary Neville might as well be a Scouser at this point. Carragher has a more measured opinion about us these days.
I'm half expecting one of these days for Gary Neville to rip his face off live on air and it be exposed that it's actually Graeme Souness underneath.
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NOBODY = I
Figure of speech and all that and that was posted after I said that so yeah...
Haven’t bothered to read the discussion in here yet. The way I see it is racism has no place to begin with and there are racist feckers without Gary going bonkers. This sharp increase in abuse towards Pogba is very misguided especially when he’s come off the back of 2 very good games for us and having pushed off a media shitstorm about leaving us. Gary added fuel to the fire. He should have been more composed to realize that.
Gary has a higher level of responsibility than any twitter troll because of the reach and influence he has over the public say.
He has the capability of really hurting our club and players because of the position he is in. Immediately after a game when emotions are rampant was a horrible decision on Gary’s end.
The racism and Gary’s escalation of the current abuse can be mutually exclusive and I think it’s odd there’s a back and forth discussion in here about that. Seems like some are saying that they are mutually exclusive and some non-mutually exclusive but can’t deny Gary’s horrible actions regardless.
First of all can I say I need to be careful what and how I say what I am about to because there is a lot of tension around on the subject of racism. It is also very easy to make a mistake. If I do I apologise in advance.
I am sure GN was not being racist in any way when criticising Paul Pogba although I agree he does appear to have an agenda against him probably because of Pogba's apparent position in the elite of world football compared to his apparent on field ability at United. However, I am sure that no blame can be attached to GN for the disgraceful racial abuse aimed at Pogba since last nights match. This is a result of pure ignorance on behalf of the cowardly creatures who are sending this dross via anonymous accounts. Hope they are caught and punished for their vile conduct.
Many people on here, and elsewhere, appear to think racism is between black and white and some think it only goes one way. It doesn't. I have been on the receiving end of unwarranted racial abuse as a heterosexual white male. Also, I have seen racial abuse in action between many races, often of people of the same colour. If anyone cares to consider the state of various African states you will see real racism in action where people lose their lives due to the intolerance between different tribes/cultures. Compare for example Rwanda (Hutu and Tutsi) Zimbabwe (Sindebele and Shona) Kenya (Kikuyu and all the other tribes) in the case of Kenya I studied along side a very clever Kenyan national who told me he was wasting his time getting qualifications to work in Kenya because he was not Kikuyu. Elsewhere I can point to a much later event of a visiting professor from an Indian university who explained the caste system to me which was eye-popping and would be considered racist here.
Then there is the racism/intolerance of a religious nature e.g. between Muslim and Jews, Muslim and Hindu not to mention Sunni and Shi'ite, both Muslim. Even Catholic and Protestant. To me all these are all equally abhorrent but are very common and in places in the world are part of everyday life.
I could go on but will probably just upset lots of people which is not my intent. Enough to say that we need to calm down a little and stop tagging people with the label of racist with so little evidence in the case of GN. The real racists are demonstrating their standing whilst hiding behind anonymity. In the meantime I wish Pogba all the best in his football and personal life regardless of his colour, religion creed, sexual orientation or any other criteria that may lead to him being attacked by ignorant people.
I am sure GN was not being racist in any way when criticising Paul Pogba although I agree he does appear to have an agenda against him probably because of Pogba's apparent position in the elite of world football compared to his apparent on field ability at United. However, I am sure that no blame can be attached to GN for the disgraceful racial abuse aimed at Pogba since last nights match. This is a result of pure ignorance on behalf of the cowardly creatures who are sending this dross via anonymous accounts. Hope they are caught and punished for their vile conduct.
Many people on here, and elsewhere, appear to think racism is between black and white and some think it only goes one way. It doesn't. I have been on the receiving end of unwarranted racial abuse as a heterosexual white male. Also, I have seen racial abuse in action between many races, often of people of the same colour. If anyone cares to consider the state of various African states you will see real racism in action where people lose their lives due to the intolerance between different tribes/cultures. Compare for example Rwanda (Hutu and Tutsi) Zimbabwe (Sindebele and Shona) Kenya (Kikuyu and all the other tribes) in the case of Kenya I studied along side a very clever Kenyan national who told me he was wasting his time getting qualifications to work in Kenya because he was not Kikuyu. Elsewhere I can point to a much later event of a visiting professor from an Indian university who explained the caste system to me which was eye-popping and would be considered racist here.
Then there is the racism/intolerance of a religious nature e.g. between Muslim and Jews, Muslim and Hindu not to mention Sunni and Shi'ite, both Muslim. Even Catholic and Protestant. To me all these are all equally abhorrent but are very common and in places in the world are part of everyday life.
I could go on but will probably just upset lots of people which is not my intent. Enough to say that we need to calm down a little and stop tagging people with the label of racist with so little evidence in the case of GN. The real racists are demonstrating their standing whilst hiding behind anonymity. In the meantime I wish Pogba all the best in his football and personal life regardless of his colour, religion creed, sexual orientation or any other criteria that may lead to him being attacked by ignorant people.
I'd wager that people who do resort to skin color as a way to insult someone, are racist bigots who never amounted to anything in their life. In my eyes there are no more pathetic men than those who attack others for any reason other than to lash out. Just small pathetic people.
There was no need for Neville to lose his rag - it was truly pathetic - but Sky seems to like his style. Normally I turn to the fan cams but this time I saw the entire rant. Yeah, ok it was a stupid on the pitch moment between two of our players but the number of times Neville screwed up when he played would bury the pair of them in crap. His holier than thou opinions and his self-proclaimed status as the voice of all things United have gone past their sell by date. Sky should replace him - Danny H seems altogether more capable and less shrew-like.
Idiots they are, all of them keyboard bullies with no lives to live. Brain cell zero!
Okay so my thoughts on the Gary Neville rant.
In the backdrop of the Tammy Abraham racial abuse for missing a penalty he should have known that his attack on Pogba for doing the same thing could have the same result with people racially abusing Paul for missing a penalty. It hadn't been a week had he forgot that another black player had been racially abused for missing a pen? Of course not, so going over the top about a black player missing a pen might not be the best thing to do?
I'm not saying that he meant for fans to racially abuse Paul just that in the climate of the racial abuse over the last week be more circumspect about what you say or more importantly the tone in which you say it.
In the backdrop of the Tammy Abraham racial abuse for missing a penalty he should have known that his attack on Pogba for doing the same thing could have the same result with people racially abusing Paul for missing a penalty. It hadn't been a week had he forgot that another black player had been racially abused for missing a pen? Of course not, so going over the top about a black player missing a pen might not be the best thing to do?
I'm not saying that he meant for fans to racially abuse Paul just that in the climate of the racial abuse over the last week be more circumspect about what you say or more importantly the tone in which you say it.
That's just them wanting to live in their ignorance and shut out expanding their horizons. Why should it be stopped at just surface level?
Great post
There was no need for Neville to lose his rag - it was truly pathetic - but Sky seems to like his style. Normally I turn to the fan cams but this time I saw the entire rant. Yeah, ok it was a stupid on the pitch moment between two of our players but the number of times Neville screwed up when he played would bury the pair of them in crap. His holier than thou opinions and his self-proclaimed status as the voice of all things United have gone past their sell by date. Sky should replace him - Danny H seems altogether more capable and less shrew-like.
Neville really is getting annoying.
Rather Keano knocking a few teeth out.
So unless I'm completely missing the point I don't see how Neville said anything wrong. People can't listen to this and somehow link it to some s.... racially abusing Pogba.
It's been said all throughout the thread especially towards the beginning, you just haven't looked hard enough. It's hilarious you make that post and literally the very next post is an example of what you state isn't happening.
It's bollocks. Blaming Gary Neville is very frustrating and upsetting for me to look at, because rather than accepting that there's an issue that needs addressing, we'll link it to him and blame him instead of the root problem.
It's almost burying heads in the sand.
twitter and caf logic.
It would be quite sad if idiots on social media have such a strong influence that pundits need to change their analysis and critisism.
It's hilarious you would point to a post made after mine, which proves feck all. It's also telling you ignore that most of the posts critiquing Neville point out that he didn't help. But yeah let's cherry pick pick posts to have an imaginary argument...
That's one of the very first posts, well before your post. And that's skipping a couple that don't outright blame Neville.
I blame it all on Wolves. After the Abraham incident, they should have known that saving a penalty from a black player was just going to attract racist comments against that player. If Gary Neville should stop doing his job properly just because it might incite racists to be racist, then so should Rui Patricio.
Why can’t we accept there’s two issues here?
I agree there's two issues actually, but I think the issue at hand is racism in football which doesn't include Gary Nevilles rant.
You are literally cherry picking posts to have an imaginary argument. Nice of you to ignore all of these on the first page. Don't be purposely dense. MOST (since semantics matter to you so much) people aren't blaming Neville. They are, rightly, calling him out for his childish, unnecessary, agenda-filled comments that only increased the negativity around Pogba.
You thought that the tone of his criticism was professional?
You literally said "Nobody is blaming Gary Neville for Twitter trolls," this was followed by a post blaming Gary Neville for Twitter trolls. You then said that was made after your post so I've gotten one from the very first page where someone has blamed Gary a Neville for Twitter trolls. That's not me cherry picking, it's literally you ignoring what people have said to suit your agenda. You were wrong get over it.
Patricio is the real culprit here, he saved the penalty after all.
Only a truly dense person take the word NOBODY literally. Notice it's just you because NOBODY is that dense. Jog on.
Cool, good chat.
Your pretty naive then because I've literally seen someone in the pub today shouting about pogba saying he's not racist but everything neville said is right those "people" ie black people have no respect.
Luckily someone else clubbered him before I could.
Wonder why Garys so quiet
It 100% would have happened without Neville saying anything. It’s the third time it’s happened in a week. Half of the accounts won’t even be football fans, they’ll be 8chan trolls buzzing off the power it’s giving them in the media with all the coverage.
Gary Neville must be the new Trump! Hilarious.
The snowflakication of an entire generation is complete. How did we get here?!
Other than cancelling the accounts of the racist trolls, nothing can prevent this.
Deal with it once it happens; prevention is often an utopia.
Deal with it once it happens; prevention is often an utopia.
Fecking Neville, the cnut. He's an idiot who knows nothing. It's his fault there's a culture for abusing celebrities online. Because he's a twat.
Precisely. People are ignoring the issue at hand and using Neville as a scapegoat.
It's entirely irrelevant to this discussion. If his punditry is poor this should be talked about in the Gary Neville thread. It's just silly to form some hypothetical connection between the two issues. The twitter reaction would be the same if Neville's criticism on Pogba would actually be valid and should pundits really adjust their criticism because idiots on twitter might react like this?
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