There are some who will never change or recognise that they need to change
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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There are some who will never change or recognise that they need to change
Then that should be discussed in the appropriate thread. That it is being brought up here suggests that there is a causal link between what pundits say, and racial abuse, which doesn't jive with the nature of racial abuse.
Otherwise, why is Neville being brought up here? I've heard many a pundit say some bullshit... I've never felt the urge to go online and racially abuse someone.
I must be missing something.
I'm asking you. Do you believe that there is racism in a white dominated societies.
I’ve already edited that part of the post. It’s his job to criticise/analyse players, no matter their race. I Clearly miss-spoke.
The original post I replied to had nothing to do with an agenda against Pogba (the player he picked to be player of the year) I don’t know what you’re on about the rest of what you said doesn’t make sense the point is Gary Neville’s comments on Pogba hasn’t contributed to racists tweeting at him at him imo it’s giving them an excuse like it’s not their fault Gary made them do it.
I agree with this, Neville being mentioned so much is just some apologetic BS.
Surely not linking this abuse with him pushing for a move...
He's long since been smitten with the 'Madrid dream'.
I've experienced it personally, so yes there is. But it has taken many forms, conscious and unconscious.
I'm able to deal with the up front 'in your face' racism and racist comments far more than the systemic racism
Aye he encouraged racist abuse, wise up.
Neville is a pundit for sky sports who divides opinion of United fans. He spoke about a decision he felt was wrong in the game. I'm sorry but that's just a daft thing to say. I disagreed with Gary's comments strongly, you can't use that extreme and point blame. Racism like that isn't accepted by United, if they are so called United fans they know nothing about who they support.
you have summed up the entire situation with your post. Neville added more hatred with his rant the same way you added controversy by poorly choosing your words. Imagine the impact of this on people who are waiting to get on board abusing people from the convenience of a scree and keyboard. Am not criticizing your post am just saying the state of mind of certain people are quite different and sometimes remarks from people they know or see can fuel the hatred.
No one really knows if Nevill has an agenda or not but it sure comes across that way, now If I interpret it that way I am sure the racists will also interpret it and go along with it.
Think an earlier point was made linking it to White Privilege;that Neville due to his position of power in the media(as a white person) was guilty of giving platform for idiots to go and post the racist comments
Initially, Gary was under the impression that Rashford was the designated penalty taker (since he took it last week) and Pogba took it off him and missed. Then, he himself realized that in the last matchweek there was a discussion between Pogba and Rashford for the penalty as well. So, he was really just annoyed we didn't have a designated penalty taker and it can cost us points, and deciding or discussing who takes the penalty on the spot is not professional/doesn't look good.
I think that's incredibly harsh.
His skin colour should not, under any circumstances, enter the equation.
It's worth a watch if you want a laugh.
I think it's worth pointing out that neither Gary or anyone else on the panel made any reference to the colour of Pogba's skin.
It comes across like an excuse to justify the racism though when you say Gary Neville could have incited it . I have heard pundits spout absolute bollocks for years and it has never made me want to abuse someone because of it . Racists will be racist I am afraid and to even associate Gary with that is wrong . Best to leave it there .
It's not Gary Neville's job to be a hysterical buffoon and carry out a public agenda against players he doesn't like. It's his job to comment on football.
And you keep missing the point. Racial abuse happens on a daily basis regardless of hysterics like Neville's. The point is an unnecessary potential trigger is not needed. Just because it may not have triggered it doesn't mean it can't. It's really simple stuff
Not having a go but why is that worth pointing out? Don’t think anyone’s accused Neville of calling Pogba a black c*nt or anything of that nature.
Disgusting
By all accounts he played quite well against Wolves but he missed a penalty and then dick heads like Neville go way overboard in their criticism and create an environment in which knuckleheads are emboldened to mete our such abuse
Hope that OT crowd really gets behind him against Palace and that he puts on a vintage display
Best way to shove it down the throats of critics
By all accounts he played quite well against Wolves but he missed a penalty and then dick heads like Neville go way overboard in their criticism and create an environment in which knuckleheads are emboldened to mete our such abuse
Hope that OT crowd really gets behind him against Palace and that he puts on a vintage display
Best way to shove it down the throats of critics
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He was being a tad ironic there I think!
You are absolutely right. We should all look at our actions and act in the basis od If's, Could's, Maybe's and so on. Maybe your posts COULD trigger some to attack Neville. You should delete them
Well done neville for stoking the fire for giving pathetic morons the ammunition to be racist on social media, he dare not have pop at the home grown guys or Solskjear for lacking authority in selecting the penalty taker.
I blame America/Americans
I totally agree. I said in another thread that I find the abuse that young gets sickening.
Is it really that hard to treat other people with common decency?
Ah I see. But I disagree with the bolded.
Yes, Neville does have an immense amount of privilege that he needs to understand and utilize wisely, especially when criticizing black players. And no, I don't want to give the impression that black players can't be criticized. They can, and should be, harshly when it is warranted. But lazy tropes and the like should be avoided. Now that goes without saying for everyone from Neville to us on the Caf.
But does his careless remarks embolden idiots on Twitter to spout racial abuse? That's what I'm struggling with. I don't see racial abuse happening that way. If you're gonna hurl a racial slur, you don't wait for confirmation from your pundit before you say it. I wouldn't be shocked if the abuse started within seconds of the missed penalty. Suggesting that Neville played a part in the racial abuse received by Pogba lets the idiots off the hook somewhat.
Tammy Abraham's name has been mentioned here, and yes, Neville may have a bias towards English players, but that is besides the point of mentioning his name, which is that racial abuse can and does occur whether a pundit speaks or not. It's a plague in society that needs to be tackled, and making a pundit that says stupid things, a lightning pole for this problem is pointless at best.
I'm glad you agree we should look at our childish, agenda-driven, unnecessary actions and think about the repercussions they can have on others. Welcome to adulthood.
Not disingenuous atall. Of course when you said "the first thing these goons resort to" you weren't referencing Chelsea fans. Silly me for misunderstanding you.I'm not saying that Gary stoked this racism but football pundits should take care and measure the way they express themselves.
Always nice to get some misogynist elements into a discussion about racism!
That’s completely ridiculous. Gary Neville has had fits about everything. If you watched Gary’s rant last night and in your head thought “ooh this might spark some racists off” then I don’t know what’s up with you. He criticised Pogba. He didn’t racially abuse him. People who abused Pogba need to be held accountable they don’t have any excuse. It’s not Gary’s fault at all. How they’ve even been linked is beyond me. Give it a rest with all the “Potential Trigger” bollocks aswell. Wrong is wrong.
Garbage people behave like garbage. It's not a surprise, there are some sad, jealous, hate-filled people out there, and the internet has given them an out for their impotent directionless rage.
It is ridiculous that Gary Neville is being brought up, as if the people posting are not responsible for their own actions. It is they who are responsible for their disgusting, pathetic outbursts, no-one else.
I agree.
Neville’s comments last night had just as much influence on the racist tweets as computer games do with mass shootings in the States. NOTHING.
Stop looking to point fingers at people you don’t like. Neville also went on to say last night that he believed Pogba could be the player of the season.
And for all of you reading this who still think Neville is somewhat to blame, if at some point in the future Young gets racially abused online (which I’m sure he has already) will it be OK for me to point a finger at half of you on this forum who are constantly slagging him off... Of course not.
There’s going to be a percentage of idiots out there.
Don’t be one of them.
Stop looking to point fingers at people you don’t like. Neville also went on to say last night that he believed Pogba could be the player of the season.
And for all of you reading this who still think Neville is somewhat to blame, if at some point in the future Young gets racially abused online (which I’m sure he has already) will it be OK for me to point a finger at half of you on this forum who are constantly slagging him off... Of course not.
There’s going to be a percentage of idiots out there.
Don’t be one of them.
So because I disagree with your agenda I am a man of privilege even when you do not know a single thing about me. How very typical.
How about you come off that high horse of moral ambiguity and contribute something meaningful instead of spouting that same old drivel about how people are privileged if they do not share the same viewpoint.
Then maybe we could have a civil discussion
Hopefully, this post puts to bed any suggestion that Gary Neville is to be associated with this thread.
Brilliant post. Fans always looking for someone to blame.
Rather than getting behind the player, looking at reasons why he is being abused and blaming pundits who's job is to criticise players and also praise players.
You have to be a complete idiot to racially abuse a player. No matter what he has done. It should not be condoned.
The problem with this is that Neville himself acknowledges the influence that the bile spewed by the press can have. He accepts that the media hold some form of accountability when it came to the abuse dished out to Raheem Sterling so you’d expect him to be more responsible in his criticism of Pogba, yet we keep on seeing these personal attacks. It’s disappointing.
What he said.
Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet unfortunately.
Society in general will always need a scapegoat.