[Borys]

His in great form at the moment, he'll drop off soon, get injured or whatever. It's always the same story.
Let him leave at the end of the season, stop hoping he'll save us and move on.

 

[Mickeza]

He’s brilliant but we need to stick Bruno up top and get Fred alongside him. Bruno and Pogba together in a 3 is always going to lead to the issues we had after 30 minutes yesterday - huge gaps to exploit in transition and us never being in control like we were against West Ham.

 

[Red Shorts]

The hyperbole is ridiculous

Care to elaborate?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He should have plenty in the tank. He's taken the last 2 seasons off.

and there you have it. agenda driven drivel revealed yet again

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

.....

Honestly don't think all these pundits can all be wrong can they? All across Sky, BBC and BT they say the same thing about him.
......

The same bunch of ignoramuses who push the he as carried defensively at juventus myth
. no surprise there

 

[Nou_Camp99]

The same bunch of ignoramuses who push the he as carried defensively at juventus myth
. no surprise there

He can't defend. He doesn't track back. These are perfectly legitimate criticisms of him.

Great range of passing on him but is that enough? We got bossed by a mid table Southampton and bottom of the league Burnley in both second halves.

If he was as good as you all say he is we wouldn't have been completely average for last 5 years in midfield

 

[JPRouve]

He can't defend. He doesn't track back. These are perfectly legitimate criticisms of him.

Great range of passing on him but is that enough? We got bossed by a mid table Southampton and bottom of the league Burnley in both second halves.

If he was as good as you all say he is we wouldn't have been completely average for last 5 years in midfield

So you watch Pogba play and think that he doesn't track back?

And you think that one midfielder is the difference between being good and average instead of the entire unit and whether it is a complementary one?

 

[NZT-One]

So you watch Pogba play and think that he doesn't track back?

And you think that one midfielder is the difference between being good and average instead of the entire unit and whether it is a complementary one?

Lets not argue about semantics. I am sure, most Pogba critics are more than aware that he is not the one single problem that United team has. Nor that he is the biggest one. There are quite a few of them. But with Pogba, we are at an important point in time - a decision has to be made. Not by us, but by the club and its owners. And knowing they are quite succeptible regarding fan voices, I totally understand, that many feel the need the need to emphasize his flaws. We are not at a point, where a good midfield partner for Pogba will turn us into challengers. Time won't change a 29 year old player who didn't change until now. Keeping him will only prolong the misery for him and the club. Even his place as the teams special kid (in terms of needing special mitigation) is now occupied by Ronaldo. Times are dire enough, there is no point repeating mistakes just for the sake of hope.

Pogba isn't part of the solution at this point in time. Let him go, start over. Maybe with half the talent but a better plan. With players who aren't as skillfull and/or capable as him but more suited to the roles a team system has set in place. Lets start building up a team that is a well oiled machine. A machine which is then capable of supporting special players.

 

[JPRouve]

Lets not argue about semantics. I am sure, most Pogba critics are more than aware that he is not the one single problem that United team has. Nor that he is the biggest one. There are quite a few of them. But with Pogba, we are at an important point in time - a decision has to be made. Not by us, but by the club and its owners. And knowing they are quite succeptible regarding fan voices, I totally understand, that many feel the need the need to emphasize his flaws. We are not at a point, where a good midfield partner for Pogba will turn us into challengers. Time won't change a 29 year old player who didn't change until now. Keeping him will only prolong the misery for him and the club. Even his place as the teams special kid (in terms of needing special mitigation) is now occupied by Ronaldo. Times are dire enough, there is no point repeating mistakes just for the sake of hope.

Pogba isn't part of the solution at this point in time. Let him go, start over. Maybe with half the talent but a better plan. With players who aren't as skillfull and/or capable as him but more suited to the roles a team system has set in place. Lets start building up a team that is a well oiled machine. A machine which is then capable of supporting special players.

Stop the BS, the post that I quoted clearly stated that if Pogba was as good as people say we wouldn't be average in midfield. This isn't semantics, he clearly made that point.

 

[Stadjer]

Still perform? You must be joking. He's been a flop in most people's eyes.

That is because most are clueless. He might not have achieved what people wanted/expected when he was signed but not a flop. I would call Donny a flop, a player that signed but never got a place in the team. Pogba plays when he is fit and when he does play he is usually one of the better players... just like yesterday.

Wasnt Pogba topscorer in one of his seasons for United even? He never even got to play in a proper midfield. For example, an over the hill Matic is the best defensive midfielder he ever played with at United.

 

[Martial]

What a week for Pogba, starring in two 1-1 draws against Burnley and home to Southampton.

Topped up with posting and defending Zouma's actions online throughout the week.

One of his better weeks for United.

 

[NZT-One]

Stop the BS, the post that I quoted clearly stated that if Pogba was as good as people say we wouldn't be average in midfield. This isn't semantics, he clearly made that point.

Pogba was a part of multiple midfields to this point. So I don't know, what is so outlandish with the statement. But go on, if some of you need the upteenth time jumping through the same loops over and over, do it.

At the end of the day, for all the qualities he brings to the table, he has quite a few flaws that make it difficult to put him in a team. Especially a team that has even more problematic areas. And even though I think the qualities are outweighing the flaws, they don't do it to an extent that makes it worth the hassle. How many of these types of players do you see in sides like City? Or Real Madrid through the years? Or Bayern? Thats not a coincidence.

I am seriously baffled, how he still has so many avid defenders. I mean, he is a likable chap and all but still. Is it because you fear the loss of one of the more higher rated players in the squad?

 

[Posh Red]

What a week for Pogba, starring in two 1-1 draws against Burnley and home to Southampton.

Topped up with posting and defending Zouma's actions online throughout the week.

One of his better weeks for United.

I just googled this at it’s the first I’ve heard about it. I saw an instagram post where he was referring to Antonio, but wasn’t defending Zouma at all. I’m guessing there’s something else he’s posted?

 

[JPRouve]

Pogba was a part of multiple midfields to this point. So I don't know, what is so outlandish with the statement. But go on, if some of you need the upteenth time jumping through the same loops over and over, do it.

At the end of the day, for all the qualities he brings to the table, he has quite a few flaws that make it difficult to put him in a team. Especially a team that has even more problematic areas. And even though I think the qualities are outweighing the flaws, they don't do it to an extent that makes it worth the hassle. How many of these types of players do you see in sides like City? Or Real Madrid through the years? Or Bayern? Thats not a coincidence.

I am seriously baffled, how he still has so many avid defenders. I mean, he is a likable chap and all but still. Is it because you fear the loss of one of the more higher rated players in the squad?

Unless you are Nou Camp, I didn't ask you a thing. So if you dont like the questions I asked him, just ignore them. Why are you getting involved when it bothers you?

 

[Rossa]

Great. We’re back to the “what players do we need to sign and what position can he be tried in to build a functional team around him” debate. Never fecking ending.

He’s done some lovely stuff in attack since he came back from injury. Same old flaws in evidence though and can’t seem to play more than an hour of football before the wheels fall of. Who’d have thought pissing off to Dubai for a mini break half way through the season might not actually help with peak physical fitness?

In the first 20-30 minutes I thought he was majestic, and I was willing to eat my own words for being so critical. However, ultimately it was a typical Pogba performance. Great in bits, especially when the team dominate completely, but falls to pieces when the team struggle.

I think he would be great if we could use him as they do in handball - on and off the pitch/bench according to the flow of the game and/or attacking or defending. But for the full 90 minutes, he gives players of both teams a headache.

 

[NZT-One]

Unless you are Nou Camp, I didn't ask you a thing. So if you dont like the questions I asked him, just ignore them. Why are you getting involved when it bothers you?

Wasn't aware that you two are having a private conversation. My bad. Thought this was what the DM thing is for.

Go on then, excuse the turbulences, I am off googling a thing or two about public forums.

 

[JPRouve]

Wasn't aware that you two are having a private conversation. My bad. Thought this was what the DM thing is for.

Go on then, excuse the turbulences, I am off googling a thing or two about public forums.

But go on, if some of you need the upteenth time jumping through the same loops over and over, do it.

I'm sorry but when you write this, you are in no position to act as if I was the one policing you. I could understand if I responded to one of your posts but here you introduced yourself in a conversation not the other way around.

 

[Hugh Jass]

He tracks back. But at a slow pace. He basically does everything at a slow pace.

Good vision but cannot put it to practise because he doesnt work hard enough.

 

[JPRouve]

He tracks back. But at a slow pace. He basically does everything at a slow pace.

Good vision but cannot put it to practise because he doesnt work hard enough.

That's true and why I stated that in my opinion he is a below average athlete, he turns like a super tanker which to me is a big issue.

 

[Ali Dia]

He tracks back. But at a slow pace. He basically does everything at a slow pace.

Good vision but cannot put it to practise because he doesnt work hard enough.

that’s it. If he had a bit more intensity he’d be a world class cm. I think he’s probably a potentially world class attacking mid (who can thrive playing long passes from the dm position) being played out of position and I think that’s probably why the argument always rages on. He doesn’t fit perfectly anywhere but his skills and quality still shine through when he’s on it. It’s confusing to people. I’ve never heard of a CM with a free role.

 

[lost7]

I think most people would agree he's been among our best performers since he's come back and yet there's always so much negative discussion around him, even now. Some of you seriously need to channel your dislike for the guy somewhere else, there's like a million problems at United and at the moment he's not one of them. Plus, next year he'll leave so this could be a good opportunity to start looking for someone new to be obsessed with...

 

[Hugh Jass]

That's true and why I stated that in my opinion he is a below average athlete, he turns like a super tanker which to me is a big issue.

He has a terrific pass in him. Out of all our MFs he is the most creative. But he couldnt get on the ball yesterday or the second half against Burnley. He was losing most of the 50/50s in the second half against burnley i noted.

If he cannot get on the ball he wont be able to make use of his vision.

Maybe if we had a pure possession coach, you could put him in the 6 position orchastrating the game. But if we have a counter we are in trouble.

I saw yesterday we had a counter against us and he was just jogging back.

 

[NZT-One]

I'm sorry but when you write this, you are in no position to act as if I was the one policing you. I could understand if I responded to one of your posts but here you introduced yourself in a conversation not the other way around.

Feels like you are defensive, I don't know why. I don't want to police or anything. Just responding to you acting as if I shouldn't interfere a conversation you had. You asked a question, I commented. It is what we do around here, isn't it?

I've read your posts, I know, you are intelligent enough to get the point the other poster was making. Why drag this discussion any longer when we had it for myriads of times. Nothing changed. We were mostly outplayed, outfought in midfield. A midfield Pogba was a part of. There is no way, to take him out of the equasion. If he deserved 6 and 7 ratings it must have been McTom and Bruno. And while they were bad as well, they weren't way worse than Pog. Or did you see that differently?

 

[JPRouve]

Feels like you are defensive, I don't know why. I don't want to police or anything. Just responding to you acting as if I shouldn't interfere a conversation you had. You asked a question, I commented. It is what we do around here, isn't it?

I've read your posts, I know, you are intelligent enough to get the point the other poster was making. Why drag this discussion any longer when we had it for myriads of times. Nothing changed. We were mostly outplayed, outfought in midfield. A midfield Pogba was a part of. There is no way, to take him out of the equasion. If he deserved 6 and 7 ratings it must have been McTom and Bruno. And while they were bad as well, they weren't way worse than Pog. Or did you see that differently?

Of course I'm being defensive, you acted like an ass in your post when it had nothing to do with you. You could have simply commented without acting the way you did.

 

[Hugh Jass]

I think he has to be dropped. He is leaving in the summer anyway.

Play a MF three of Mctominah at the 6 and Bruno and Fred ahead of him. Bruno then has the creativity and work rate.

Like i keep saying if you cannot get on the ball in the first place, it doesnt matter how good you are. After the first 30 yesterday Southamton just took over.

 

[NZT-One]

Of course I'm being defensive, you acted like an ass in your post when it had nothing to do with you. You could have simply commented without acting the way you did.

I still think my 1st response is perfectly fine, then there was the BS thing, but alright. Didn't want to act out.

I think, we are at a point, where we should/could rethink about putting Pogba on the left of our attack. Rashford is shit anyways so there is actually no reason to go back to something which worked quite well. Granted, it would be somewhat of a minor system change but I think, it wouldn't be hard to maintain control. Any thoughts?

 

[pocco]

That is because most are clueless. He might not have achieved what people wanted/expected when he was signed but not a flop. I would call Donny a flop, a player that signed but never got a place in the team. Pogba plays when he is fit and when he does play he is usually one of the better players... just like yesterday.

Wasnt Pogba topscorer in one of his seasons for United even? He never even got to play in a proper midfield. For example, an over the hill Matic is the best defensive midfielder he ever played with at United.

For the money, a flop. He's spent most of his time getting criticised for his performances, he's been constantly shifted around the team to try and find a spot, many injuries and big games missed. Fallen out with managers and made a laughing stock of the club numerous times. Pissing off half the fanbase that aren't weirdly obsessed with his name.

He's been a fecking shit signing. And this is coming from somebody that followed him through the youth team and was desparate for us to bring him back. I will honestly say I was very wrong about Pogba. Whichever way you look at it (consistent performances, leadership/setting an example, success, representing the club) he has been rubbish.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

woah, this thread is back to life!

great discussions

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

Anything this guy is doing now I take with a pinch of salt. He has regularly gone missing “injured” for months of the past few seasons and starts to turn up again when it suits his own agenda with France or a new contract on the horizon. Clearly a very talented footballer but not the right type of player we should be wasting any more energy on. It’s gone on for too long now.

 

[Apokalips]

I just googled this at it’s the first I’ve heard about it. I saw an instagram post where he was referring to Antonio, but wasn’t defending Zouma at all. I’m guessing there’s something else he’s posted?

Are you surprised that a fan is making up nonsense to assassinate Pogba's character?

 

[Jeppers7]

that’s it. If he had a bit more intensity he’d be a world class cm. I think he’s probably a potentially world class attacking mid (who can thrive playing long passes from the dm position) being played out of position and I think that’s probably why the argument always rages on. He doesn’t fit perfectly anywhere but his skills and quality still shine through when he’s on it. It’s confusing to people. I’ve never heard of a CM with a free role.

Again you thought Bruno was shite….but you’ve posted once in there and he’s been Shiite since last January which we can tell by your lack of posts in that thread except for making excuses.

It’s a fecking shame that Pogba can’t just play well when he does….why? Because like all players he won’t always play well.

He played well yesterday…..United we’re/are shite.

 

[the_cliff]

Pogba was a part of multiple midfields to this point. So I don't know, what is so outlandish with the statement. But go on, if some of you need the upteenth time jumping through the same loops over and over, do it.

At the end of the day, for all the qualities he brings to the table, he has quite a few flaws that make it difficult to put him in a team. Especially a team that has even more problematic areas. And even though I think the qualities are outweighing the flaws, they don't do it to an extent that makes it worth the hassle. How many of these types of players do you see in sides like City? Or Real Madrid through the years? Or Bayern? Thats not a coincidence.

I am seriously baffled, how he still has so many avid defenders. I mean, he is a likable chap and all but still. Is it because you fear the loss of one of the more higher rated players in the squad?

Agreed,

He's been part of plenty of midfields. A France world cup winning one, a Juve multiple scudetto winning one and a UCL finalist.

Maybe just maybe he's not the problem but his midfield partners ?

 

[JPRouve]

I still think my 1st response is perfectly fine, then there was the BS thing, but alright. Didn't want to act out.

I think, we are at a point, where we should/could rethink about putting Pogba on the left of our attack. Rashford is shit anyways so there is actually no reason to go back to something which worked quite well. Granted, it would be somewhat of a minor system change but I think, it wouldn't be hard to maintain control. Any thoughts?

Your first response isn't fine simply because you started by being dismissive with the semantics part which is baffling since the poster in question clearly made the point that our midfield wouldn't be average if Pogba was that good. In that instance I don't even care about Pogba, replace his name with whoever you want. If we go back to that statement a few years ago without Casemiro the Modric-Kroos midfield was below average in La Liga does that tell you anything about the level of these players or does it tell you something about the complementarity of that midfield?

 

[Posh Red]

Are you surprised that a fan is making up nonsense to assassinate Pogba's character?

Wanted to give the poster the benefit of the doubt, but unfortunately no, I’m not surprised.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He can't defend. He doesn't track back. These are perfectly legitimate criticisms of him.

Great range of passing on him but is that enough? We got bossed by a mid table Southampton and bottom of the league Burnley in both second halves.

If he was as good as you all say he is we wouldn't have been completely average for last 5 years in midfield

You have a personal vendetta against Paul Pogba.

A lot of people don't rate players but the desperation you have to rush here and disparage him every time he plays is absolutely strange. It is literally every time, seeing you in here doing so is the most predictable thing on this entire forum.

 

[NZT-One]

Agreed,

He's been part of plenty of midfields. A France world cup winning one, a Juve multiple scudetto winning one and a UCL finalist.

Maybe just maybe he's not the problem but his midfield partners ?

Well that really would make for an interesting discussion wouldn't it? Just scroll back, there are 100 pages full of it. And I am sure there are even more threads covering this topic to a whole. I meant that Pogba was part of multiple midfields at United. And bar a few patches something was wrong all the time. Have a look at the other top teams around the world. Who is employing a player who is very often great wiht his passing and often great with his carries, but struggles to fullfill his defensive duties? His midfield partners are a problem here as well. I have not the slightest issue stating that, but Pogba is the one asking for a new 400k per week deal with us. To me, that sounds like a terrible deal - not just because he demands so much but because we have make sure he is surrounded by special players that finally "release" him.

I was on this quest as well. When he came here. And the year after. But not anymore.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

You have a personal vendetta against Paul Pogba.

A lot of people don't rate players but the desperation you have to rush here and disparage him every time he plays is absolutely strange. It is literally every time, seeing you in here doing so is the most predictable thing on this entire forum.

Nobody was happier than I was when we signed him for 90m. I just feel badly let down by him over 5 years.

Thought he did very well on the ball yesterday for 35 mins. Some delicious passes to Sancho and co. I wasn't happy with his work off the ball though. Mctominay was left on his own way too often. This is the issue. Pogba and Bruno can't both play in same team.

 

[JPRouve]

Nobody was happier than I was when we signed him for 90m. I just feel badly let down by him over 5 years.

Thought he did very well on the ball yesterday for 35 mins. Some delicious passes to Sancho and co. I wasn't happy with his work off the ball though. Mctominay was left on his own way too often. This is the issue. Pogba and Bruno can't both play in same team.

These two things are linked. I said at the time that he was barely worth half of it and don't feel let down.

 

[kouroux]

Nobody was happier than I was when we signed him for 90m. I just feel badly let down by him over 5 years.

Thought he did very well on the ball yesterday for 35 mins. Some delicious passes to Sancho and co. I wasn't happy with his work off the ball though. Mctominay was left on his own way too often. This is the issue. Pogba and Bruno can't both play in same team.

I wonder if Rangnick isn't the one who instructed him to do that. I mean we know Ralf has precise ideas of football, it's something I am wondering

 

[Nou_Camp99]

These two things are linked. I said at the time that he was barely worth half of it and don't feel let down.

He can't control the transfer fee but sadly the transfer fee always raises expectations.

My issue with Pogba has never been his ability. The ability he has is clear to see for all. It's the attitude and work rate I have questioned and I'm not the only one. Pundits galore have all said the same thing.