Totally agree about Pogba.
I don't think our current staff know Jones can actually play in midfield to be fair
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I don't think our current staff know Jones can actually play in midfield to be fair
I didn't say he was alone. The whole midfield was outplayed second half by a midtable PL team.
Pogba was great for about 35 mins today. What did he do in the second half other than fade?
I have to admit, people like to go on
He's probably the only player in the pitch who's got an excuse for fading in the second half considering he's just come back from an 4 month lay-off. What's the excuse for the other 9 outfield players?
He should have plenty in the tank. He's taken the last 2 seasons off.
I'm amazed at people championing Pogba for the last 3 matches as something outstanding when we haven't won any of them, or even controlled them for the full game.
He's not been bad, but hey ho chill out.
He's not been bad, but hey ho chill out.
Contributes practically nothing defensively. Positionally just not attentive. Almost gifts them a free goal as well.
Then he does some flashy passes and stuff that somehow convinces people he's our best player.
Ended up completely overrun today, and I can't really blame McTominay, as this joker was supposed to help him out.
Can't play the way he did today in that position. Put him out left or even up front if he's going to be on (can't do worse than Rashford/Ronaldo).
Then he does some flashy passes and stuff that somehow convinces people he's our best player.
Ended up completely overrun today, and I can't really blame McTominay, as this joker was supposed to help him out.
Can't play the way he did today in that position. Put him out left or even up front if he's going to be on (can't do worse than Rashford/Ronaldo).
See id back up my post with research but I’ve already done it enough times. Doesn’t stop morons posting drivel. I’m confident if I looked through 4/5 good games would stack up.
Out of interest who would you say has been consistently better since last January.
He plays one great pass 60 yards and people on here start getting their trousers off mate.
Im not his biggest fan and most on here know it. Thought he was great today for 35 mins though and then reverted to usual Pogba mode after HT. Second half Mctomminay Pogba and Bruno didn't get a grip of the game at all. It was shocking.
This is Southampton guys not City, Bayern or Liverpool. If we cant get a grip of a game in second half Vs Burnley and Southampton then maybe just maybe he's really not that great is he?
Some on here want to give him 400k a week too. Mind boggling.
Far from it
Far from it
With good reason though. He's let us down far too many times. Talent is there but application and attitude hasn't been there for far too long. Plus his brother and agent need sending to outer space.
Don’t forget faking injuries
Talent wise you can clearly see he’s a level above most players in our squad, application and such has always been a question mark, especially since he’s played for us. Personally I think we should still not sign him up to a new contract. I’d still rather let him leave and bring in two hungry midfielders, a DM and a creative CM at minimum, rather then pay him nearly 500k or whatever
Insults don't get you very far, just makes you look a bit silly and self righteous. If you have done your research, would be keen to see your results and see how you evaluate it, so please refer to the post you did this.
It's more backing up my argument in the Cavani thread whereby you try and quantify a performance over a period of time that suits you. We've had 2, maybe 3 good months out of 12 from Pogba since beginning of 2021, so why do you get to choose which periods of time work best for your agenda?
I dont think any of our players have been consistently good since last year, so picking a name out to compare for me is pointless. And so you know, I also really rate Pogba, and not bashing him.
He’s done pretty well the last couple of games but he’s never going to be the guy that glues everything together.
We are so disjointed in midfield though it’s hard to judge anyone who plays there.
Swap Henderson for Liverpool and put mctom in there and he’d look a whole load better.
We are so disjointed in midfield though it’s hard to judge anyone who plays there.
Swap Henderson for Liverpool and put mctom in there and he’d look a whole load better.
Hope people are watching this MOTD analysis. Midfield being shown up massively.
Bruno needs to come deeper and we need someone instead of McT who's not good enough full stop. Hardly Pogba's fault. He was good today. Again.
He was good for about 30 mins. Off the ball he wasn't very good at all. The pundits just showed you. Midfield was outplayed by a midtable PL team.
Good analysis wasn’t it, exactly what I said before and after the match it’s either Pogba or Bruno, can’t play both.
Yeah but people on here don't listen. Paul Pogba needs superman Kante alongside him to play in CM because he's absolutely woeful off the ball. That analysis was damning. He's out of position in almost every clip. Hahahahana
I thought he played some fantastic football the first 20 minutes but after that there’s always a risk his actual basic midfield play will let him down. I think looking at it he could have done a lot more to stop Romeu before the goal as well.
Yeah on the ball he was terrific for 30 mins. Trouble is he didn't keep it up and off the ball he was atrocious as he always is which has just been proved on the MOTD analysis.
Left his man for the Middlesbrough equaliser too last week despite the dodgy Handball in the build up. Nobody mentions that on here though.
He's such a weird player. Immensely talented and so incredibly flawed at the same time.
He’s just not very good at the basic midfield duties like, positioning, ball winning, setting some kind of tempo, always getting back to help out, scrapping it out and dominating his opposite number setting a platform for us to build on and start turning the screw. It’s like pinball in there with both Bruno and Pogba. Been saying it since Bruno came in. They can’t play together. There’s plenty of evidence we lose the ball too much and have a hard time getting it back when they both play. They both lose the ball for fun and are the main culprits
He has terrific vision. He just cannot push himself to work hard enough.
I said this after the second half of the burnley game, that he lost most of the 50/50s in the second half.
What use is vision if you cannot even get on the ball.
I said this after the second half of the burnley game, that he lost most of the 50/50s in the second half.
What use is vision if you cannot even get on the ball.
not true
That’s not actually true at all is it? Pogba has a 6.5% higher pass completion over the season, and is not unusual for it to be if higher in games, than Bruno and Pogba is more in line with our defenders pass completion….those who generally go backwards and sideways. You’d have to have some weird kind of obsession to lump them both in the same boat for pass completion. Bruno is 3rd bottom for pass completion.
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As already stated only one of our midfield showed up today, Bruno was a train wreck and McT is/was bang average.
Are you saying it in Bruno’s thread because although he’s been shite for 12 months all I seem to find is you making excuses for his poor form. I don’t see you bleeting on about midfield duties there, positioning, pass completion…..your just in here saying it. That’s fine if Bruno and McT play well and Pogba doesn’t. But that’s not the case. How about you post this in their threads. Not the guy who outperformed them?
He showed up for 30 mins. That's now the standard I see?
Yeah they were all poor. Pogba the best of the three on the ball today but not very good off it. He never is. Just watch that analysis and keep your eye on Pogba. He's never in position once. Mctomminay on his own against 2 and 3 so many times even in the first half.
One of the biggest myths around him. I know he has put in some shockers but his average performances are just chucked in with the bad if we lose or draw the game. He isn't that bad just because he isn't that great. Not a centerpiece but useful.
You guys are really enjoying drinking your nonsense cool aid. I was at the match and everyone in the Stretford end (who normally hate pogba) agreed he was great the entire match. The reason we didn't have control of the game is not pogba he was the only player in the second half who actually took on the ball and distributed it in many situations.
You keep stating that all you want doesn’t make it fact. Sancho and Pogba were our best players today. Throughout the 90. You blaming one player on agenda doesn’t change that. Are you in McT and Bruno threads criticising them?
This season he’s played about 1/4 of the amount of matches as those two let’s see where we are when he’s played around 20 more games.
Once again in a relatively small sample size. It’s just not about 6% extra passing success though is it. It’s about chemistry and balance and finding what gives us the best chance at keeping things as tight as possible while retaining creativity.
That’s more bollocks. In any case he generally is around the same every season. As is Bruno. Keeping things tight really isn’t something either are strong at. Certainly not Bruno. He’s more of a ten or second striker. Well done for posting in Bruno’s thread by the way. You wouldn’t have though if not for me saying so. But you chose to come here and criticise in detail a player who you admit played well. Yet don’t post for a player you admit played shite and when you do post there’s no detail. No paragraphs. No agreement with other posts there. Pathetic really.
Very strange to post negativity in detail about a player you said played well, yet no detail or agreement for a player you felt played shite. That’s weird.
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That's because McT got an yellow and we lost the intensity to challenge their midfield. If McT can't make his high intense challenge, he is good for nothing. We lost the shape and McT was easily bypassed ,which meant Pogba and Bruno getting caught out of position.
He wasn't great at all in second half. He was as poor as everyone else. Fans just have very little to cheer about.
Even in the first half he was only good on the ball. Jenas and Murphy just showed how exposed Mctominay was left constantly. Pogba is a liability when we don't have the ball.
Honestly don't think all these pundits can all be wrong can they? All across Sky, BBC and BT they say the same thing about him.
Supremely talented but incredibly lazy and frustrating.
Go watch that analysis for yourself and just watch where Pogba is and tell me I'm wrong. Every single clip he's out of position.
I don't rate Mctominay though. I go in on Pogba because I have much higher expectations of him given his cost, reputation and ability. I have never really thought Mctominay was first 11 material and I still don't.
Thought he was majestic on the ball for first 30-40 mins. But then faded away towards the end. We should have signed a DM.
Pogba was astonishing in the first half. Faded away in the second half, but was still man among boys.
It saddens me that Pogba can’t just play well. The media are as much to blame as anyone. You could literally take clips of any game and make an agenda from it. Defensive players not attacking well, attacking players not defending well. Get 5/6 clips. You could also get 5/6 clips where they did do well if you wanted to. I don’t think anyone would say Pogba is a good defender, he’s an attacking midfielder but to watch that game today and throw criticism at him is purely agenda. He was one of 2/3 players to have played well.
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