An error in judgement is not throwing reasoning out the window. It's an error in judgement.I retracted it straight away, are you serious in even suggesting this to be an agenda post? Christ you're lost.
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An error in judgement is not throwing reasoning out the window. It's an error in judgement.I retracted it straight away, are you serious in even suggesting this to be an agenda post? Christ you're lost.
It's @VP89 , it's never for a positive reason.
you clearly havent read all my posts about Pogba. Jog onWell, your first thought was that he was using a global pandemic to his own advantage when everyone tried to tell you, and others at the time, that he was doing it to help.
If that isn't an agenda post then I dont what is!
How dare Pogba not have watched games of Souness that happen 10 years before he was born.
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This.Just another case of British players and pundits vastly overvaluing their global influence outside of the Anglosphere
It really isn't farfetched or a slight to believe a Francophone player born and raised in France who only moved to England in 2009 wouldn't know a Scottish Liverpool legend from their heydey in the 80's
Don't think Carragher really wants to get into a duck measuring contest in regards to who has won what either...
A world cup winners medal is the ultimate trump card
Also its pretty rich hearing something being considered 'below the belt' from a man that has been caught on camera spitting at a childs face
I love to know how many 27 year old football fans can name members of the Ajax 3 in a row European cup team outside of Cruyff.
Its not what the initial reaction was by everyone and there was a fair bit of criticism he received on social media about it too. "everyone tried to tell you, and others at the time" my arse.
It was the reaction by everyone that actually read the tweet and saw the link to WHO's covid page. I still don't get how anyone struggled with that one.
Some people - like @VP89 - just see what they want to see when it comes to Pogba. It's worrying that he (Pogba) can cause some people to lose all reasoning for no reason.
Like when some believed he was faking an injury...
Why do you keep tagging me? Are you 6?
I dismissed it as what you claimed from his Instagram post, which just had a badge of who at the bottom and that's all.
I didn't go on redcafe slating him saying what is this rubbish, I just referenced it as something I recall seeing today, and then was corrected. But of course some tits on redcafe will twist this as some sort of Pogba hating agenda.
The same initial reaction would have been met from any footballer posting the picture, Pogba isn't that special for me to obsess over.
I understand where your last post is coming from. But it does strike me as strange quite how much stick Pogba gets despite not being a bad influence by all accounts. Even his so called fluctuations in performance are judged harshly. He was the main creator and goal scorer last season and it’s obvious that the supporting cast was not really up to scratch, although that may now have changed. And the whole Souness thing is just bizarre at this stage, completely beyond the realms of logical criticism.
A bit of an ironic comment considering your posts about Pogba!
Mate, it was a premature conclusion from a post that wasn't even by WHO, but the accusation that its done "because its Pogba" is a farcical, defensive, childish rebuttle. It would have been the same initial reaction if it was Docorure, Lindelof, Shaw, whoever. Get over it, and try not getting so but hurt about Pogba every time.
Exactly, he grew up in France in the 1990s/2000s probably watching French football, I doubt he had much time or opportunity to watch English football from the 80s.
I wonder if Jesse Lingard (not picking on him this time, he's just a similar age and English) could name the stars of 1980s French football?
You do seem to get a fair amount of crap any time you post anything negative about Pogba.
Is it purely people making assumptions over the tag line as you don't seem to post in this thread that often?
Although being on the fake injury train doesn't help.
Pretty much, Souness has been retired for longer than Pogba has been alive.
Would be hard bet to find an under 30 year old football fan who can vividly recall many foreign football legends from the 80's without google
Paul Pogba is a public figure
Paul Pogba is literally known for dancing on the pitch, its part of his persona
Paul Pogba often dabs in his instagram videos - For the record, Paul Pogba is not the owner of the dab, you'll have to credit Migos with that one.
Paul Pogba has millions of young fans
Paul Pogba posts a relatable infopost regarding covid-19 preventative measures to stop spreading.
VP89 sees it as a problem
Like.. I just do not fathom in what universe this is a bad thing. A celebrity using factoids from his persona to send out a message. How dare he?
I should proably point out that the WHO obviously contacted Paul Pogba through his public channel and enquired if he could make a public post with regards to the ongoing crisis. The World Health Organization, shockingly to no one, DOES have a media department. - And I'm sure its equally obvious that Paul has his own SoMe employee that deals with his grapcis, video recording and edits, that is who made this post. But even if he just decided to do one, what the hell is the problem?
I'm sure that there's thing to actually be critical of Pogba for, but to somehow be negative about this one, is pure, unadulterated hoghwash
I found it curious, as most neutral journalists did, that he hada vague knock which turned into an injury and then a surgery at a time his agent, ie his mouthpiece, was saying all the tripe he did.
Thats all. You don't need an "agenda" to find the whole thing curious at the time.
He has an issue with Pogba attitude. to quote him
"Pogba has absolutely everything to be a top player - great athleticism, super technique - but his attitude to the game is the polar opposite of mine.
“He goes out with one thought in his mind: 'I’m going to show everyone how clever I am today and be the star of the show.'
It is not a sentiment that hasn't been echoed on the caf. As I mentioned, Sourness has perhaps the wrong idea of the type of player Pogba is and makes comparisons to himself even though they are different players.
He sees someone blessed with better attributes and think "he should be like me but a better version because he has more talent than I had" so he probably feels some type of way as if to say he would be better with that talent.
Maybe its a bit of jealousy and resentment although I have to be careful here as Sourness was a great player in his own right.
This is what the media hoping to see - United fans torn into opposite sides arguing about their best and the only world class player in the squad.
There’s heaps of players who have a different approach to Souness but he doesn’t seem to take issue with them in the same way. There’s a viciousness about the way he calls Pogba out for things as heinous as dancing and dying his hair. He has a Stone Age attitude and it comes across as plain ugly. He seems to take issue with Pogba being a bit maverick and wanting to enjoy the game and entertain, which is at odds with how his employer positions the PL – as the most entertaining league in the world. He just comes across as an embittered prat and I’m sure he was a good player but that’s in a bygone era. Pogba’s quote was excellent I thought – yes, there’s recognition that he was a good player, but I’ve personally never heard of him and don’t pay attention to what the pundits say. Lovely put down. As for put your medals on the table – World Cup and multiple league titles is a pretty sweet haul at 27 years of age. What has Henderson done comparatively?
It’s quite simple for me. If Pogba is committed to staying, signs and new deal and comes to the pitch in an improving team then it’s great news. If he doesn’t want to stay, then no recriminations and both sides can move on. I think he will stay because of circumstances.
I agree with this. He can stay and help us be better (looking likely) or we can part as friends
Souness ultimate idea of a midfielder is somebody who wins the ball, kicks a few players and lays it off simply for the attackers. The games moved on and he hates flair.
No surprise he always waxs lyrical about Kante and Henderson etc. It's fine for him to have that opinion but Pogba really isn't all flair and no hard work.
It's just become some weird lie that's stuck. People make out like he walks around the pitch like Messi.
The game hasn’t moved on in that respect, do you think players with flair was invented yesterday? CMs have had flair long before Souness was playing, Souness himself was a great deal more technical than current day Kante is.
Im edging towards the opinion he doesn’t fell Pogba is maximising his talent, also there might be some subliminal racism there but it’s not something I could go around saying about people I don’t really know.
Sky know it generates interest which is why they wind Souness up and watch him go. I wouldn’t even mind but their punditry panels are full of tub thumpers who all tow Souness’s line. It was great when they had Evra on, who despite being ridiculously partisan, called Souness out for his absolute shit.
I must admit, I’ve laid into Pogba a fair bit but that’s probably more down to being frustrated with how United’s fortunes have been. With distance thanks to the season being put on hold, you get some perspective and realise he isn’t a bad guy and certainly not a bad player. The narrative around him is ludicrously black and white and he’s judged more harshly than anyone in world football.
He's got the rice mentality
The fact that you wouldn’t have had the error of ‘judgement’ had it been a different player is what makes it an agenda. If you can’t see that then you’re also deluded.
How is this a fact? I literally said it would have been the same reaction regardless of who it was.
what’s your feelings on the injury now?
It's good that the time off has given you some perspective, and I get the frustration that's been a part of the Caf for the last few years and the natural reaction is to find a simple scapegoat (not saying that's what you did, but Pogba has been that for a lot of people, not that he has been the only one over the years).
I've been a staunch defender of Pogba, I don't mind him being criticized on his performances, but when people would resort to call him a diva, a cancer, or unprofessional (and that was some of the milder, nice things you'd hear fans say about their own player), I would have to go to bat for him because none of those things are true.
nonsense.
I haven't doubted his injury for a long while, so what do you think.
Yeah, you know feck all how I think so that's a good word to describe your response.
I’ve actually been glad of football being away for a prolonged period and, with everything going on, you get a sense of perspective about what’s important. My resolution is to be a bit more balanced once the game returns to normal as I strongly suspect I’ve been a shit poster on here the last few years!
Not do threads like this tbh:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can...nt-to-the-sport-from-his-social-media.437763/
In my OP:
"Generally I wouldn't much mind about what the players have to do on social media or what their hairstyle is like, provided it looks like they are mutually exclusive to the performances on the pitch and not a reflection of any sort of distraction."
I asked for a debate as to whether being active on social media whilst being off form is something that should be regulated - and many managers do try to actively regulate the extent of social media of their players. Pep didn't like the social media Mendy gave, Hassunhuttle would ban the wifi in the hotel before game-day (If I'm not mistaken, although this was also linked to online gameplay too). Ferguson himself wasn't keen on social media with any of his players, although he wasn't in sync with the social media boom there was a logic to it.
It's just a debate to open, mainly because Gary Neville himself pointed it out and I thought I'd make a thread on it. Alas it brought out a vile reaction by anyone who thinks Pogba should be doubted in any shape or form.
Its funny, you haven't picked out many of my posts where I've praised Pogba, turns of form, great attitude in his summer or just today in his rebuttle to Souness. Funny that, people see what they want and just flag anyone who gives any criticsm as some sort of "Forever Pogba Hater".
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Tbh, I haven’t noticed any posts of you praising Pogba. Ultimately, my observation has been that you are at the forefront of every negative conversation of Pogba, and seem to be amongst those driving the agenda more often than not. Fair enough and apologies if we have all just made a mistake and your views on the player are actually balanced after all.
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