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Do you watch football?
Well, it was just that your previous comment suggested you didn't.
Let’s not kid ourselves, he’s been outstanding this season.
By far the best player we’ve had in the team since RvP
By far the best player we’ve had in the team since RvP
What an absolute beauty, he’s in control of physics
Has such natural talent, beautiful to watch. These soft of moments are what football is about.
He was so much more involved in the 2nd period than the 1st .totally bossed it on the left wing. I don't understand why he can't be utilized in that area for the whole game.
I'd actually like to see him tried on the right of the midfield 3. He's the best crosser in the squad and we lack a presence on that side of the pitch anyway.
Martial/Shaw can continue to provide a threat from the left. Putting Pogba on the opposite flank might give us a bigger threat overall.
I get the whole 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' line of reasoning. It's just something that I think might be worth trying.
Martial/Shaw can continue to provide a threat from the left. Putting Pogba on the opposite flank might give us a bigger threat overall.
I get the whole 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' line of reasoning. It's just something that I think might be worth trying.
Great counter argument good lad.
Makes the hardest things look so simply. Keeps this form up, we are going to struggle to keep him with some big teams out there that will take advantage of our vulnerabilities especially if we don't finish in the top 4.....
We're so lucky to have him, he's been very good so far this season.
What I like about this is that it shows that Pogba has more than one picture in his mind when receiving the ball, which quite a few of our other players don't.
Think had the pass been better and in front of him, he'd have driven with the ball and progressed us up the pitch. As it was, the pass broke his stride, meaning he had do something different and did do straight away.
Not many would have seen the pass, never mind being able to execute it.
Pogba is a good technical player..doesn't give the ball away much..as mentioned makes harder things easy.The only issue is he is over hyped by media.
if you see his stats for the last 4 or 5 years he doesn't score much or assist much..less than 10 but he is involved in buildups and keeps the team play.
if you see his stats for the last 4 or 5 years he doesn't score much or assist much..less than 10 but he is involved in buildups and keeps the team play.
Sorry, I don't really follow. You've said it doesn't stack up but we've tried him in a bunch of different positions and his form has been inconsistent and patchy? Wouldn't it mean there is some merit in the idea that moving him away from roles of responsibility that requires a shift on the defensive end is probably a better net benefit for him and the team?
It's such a weird paradigm in general though. Pogba is Pogba's own worst enemy and it is genuinely weird to feel this way about a top player but watching him like you say there seems to be no magical way to solve fitting him into this team.
The only option that I can see that we haven't tried that requires drastic changes to work is to flip Matic into a speedy keg of a defensive midfielder who will press, tackle, recover the ball and protect the back four. Have Fred/Herrera as the secondary midfielder and then leave Pogba to orchestrate up field.
Every other formation and strategy his lack of wanting to do anything helpful defensively is a huge liability. Especially with the form Matic is in.
It is kind of the same thing as last two years Martial "well we're just tied to whatever this guy can provide us, if he's on he's on. If he's not well there isn't much else we can do" but in Pogba's case he is well and truly un-droppable.
I wish we had a top quality passer behind him to pick out his surging runs into the box. Too many times he gets into good areas but the pass is either delayed, overhit or doesn't come. A shame he can't pass to himself.
He's a juggernaut. Watch that second half again against Bournemouth. When you have a player with that much ability with the ball that is relentless at pushing forward you will never give up. I think a big part of our 'character' this season in fighting back is because of him. His will power is ridiculous. I really fear a time of not having a Pogba and a Martial in our team.
Living in an opposite dimension I see.
Also the second bolded, go check top and legendary midfielders goals and assists stats then think about your statement.
This obsession with midfielders being some high goal and assist machine is something over emphasised and pushed in England not very much elsewhere. Normally they are and should be judged by their plays in the middle of the park, not how many numbers they put out there.
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'Outstanding' is watching Roy Keane in his prime from 1996-2001.
Lets be honest. Pogba is still terribly inconsistent
Against Bournemouth in that first half alongside Matic he resembled more like a walking wardrobe than a pro footballer.
In the second half however Pogba went up a few levels and became a driving force in our attacking play from midfield. Played a huge role in Rashfords winner.
first half performance: 3/10
second half performance: 8/10
In the second half however Pogba went up a few levels and became a driving force in our attacking play from midfield. Played a huge role in Rashfords winner.
first half performance: 3/10
second half performance: 8/10
5 goals and 5 assists in 14 games in World Class stats considering he's a midfielder (and that his attackers are shite).
Is there a better long passer in the world? Anyway, I'm extremely happy for him. Only him, Shaw, Martial & De Gea are United quality. That's 4/11. We seriously need to start signing good players.
Is there a better long passer in the world? Anyway, I'm extremely happy for him. Only him, Shaw, Martial & De Gea are United quality. That's 4/11. We seriously need to start signing good players.
I'm saying that we've tried him in all the positions you've suggested (including this 4-3-3 which is supposed to absolve him from most of his work) and there has been no noticeable effect on his consistency; he's exactly as inconsistent as he is in every other position. He either turns up or he doesn't and whether he does or not is entirely down to him.
Going to take a while to die this myth - he has been inconsistent in the past but not this season. He's head an shoulders above every player on the pitch this season.
Agreed with you on that, and that is reflective of the team's performances on Saturday and vs Chelsea/Newcastle. I am struggling to remember a time when Pogba played poorly but overall United played well as a team. He is so key for us and we should be signing the players to get the best out of him, an upgrade on Matic is key at this point IMO, would like Herrera/Perreira to get a few more chances there
What I like most about his performance on Saturday was that he didn't do anything silly.
Pjanic and Kroos probably.
Yep. He's been very consistent this season. Most games he's been our best player or one of. He's played a crucial role in us winning games and his stats display this. He's also played with more drive and purpose. Yet the only thing that's been highlighted by the media is a poor performance at Brighton and West Ham (relatively) and a couple of mistakes on halfway that have led indirectly to goals.
They are pretty big issues though! He's been good let's not say anything more just yet. He's not taking the big games by the scruff of the neck. He's still being sloppy at times and it's still costing us when he does it.
The expectations of him are huge. He is expect to defend, keep possession, provide creativity AND score.
I wish we have Pogba alike on the right flank so two Pogba can destroy everyone alone, giving United different dimension in crossing from both flank and passes.
If we continue with Mourinho and he continues with his safety first approach with Matic sideways passing all day in the middle, we will eventually lose pogba to another club. The guy has more ambitions than that.
The part of this whole thing that is going to hurt United fans the most is that, he will be performing extraordinarily week in week out for a team like Barca, Madrid, Juve, virtually any team that has the bravery to actually play football. And then we are going to be asking ourselves why he wasn’t doing all that for us. By then it will be too late. To realise we have lost a very great player because our coach is averse to change and our board is slow to pull the trigger.
The part of this whole thing that is going to hurt United fans the most is that, he will be performing extraordinarily week in week out for a team like Barca, Madrid, Juve, virtually any team that has the bravery to actually play football. And then we are going to be asking ourselves why he wasn’t doing all that for us. By then it will be too late. To realise we have lost a very great player because our coach is averse to change and our board is slow to pull the trigger.
It doesn't really matter what formation we play, he still ends up having to do everything himself when we have the ball as we don't have anybody else who can either control the team around or create chances. A simple change of formation isn't some magic bullet if we don't have the right players to actually do it. We need someone else in midfield who can work with him to share that aspect around.
As a team we don't take big games by the scruff of the neck. That's not how we set up. He took the second half at Chelsea though and was behind anything good we did v Juve. As someone earlier posted, I can't think of a time when the team played well and he didn't. Mostly when he hasn't played well, the team have t played well.
The fact it's cost us when he's lost the ball on halfway is also as much of an issue with the rest of the team. The Wolves game was about 30 seconds and most of our team were behind the ball. Everton wouldn't have led to anything if Smalling hadn't dived in.
He's massively scrutinised, I look at Chelsea away and he lost his man for the first goal. The second goal Young lost his man who hit the post and resulted in a goal. Young received no scrutiny at all. I'd suggest if Pogba had been marking Luiz at the time, it wouldn't be the case.
Roy Keane was playing in a highly functioning team, we’re a lot closer to his Ireland side success-wise, style-wise, what have you than to that United side.
Pogba has been absolutely fantastic this season.
I definitely feel he's upped his game recently. Our recent attacking stance helps him a lot and he's been the creative edge left and center. His floated ball on the left to Rashford was delightful and the defender didn't even try to block him. He's such a physical beast combined with technical brilliance. His consistency has also improved greatly. He kinds gives 7-8/10 every single match. Just gotta cut out showboating in the middle of the pitch.
Couldn't agree more. It is very much going under the radar of the media too. You will see analysis when he does something well and it is usually along the lines of "this is why Pogba is so frustrating, he can be so good", but when he is having these great moments multiple times a game, then it is time to appreciate how good he is.
Need a big game from him on Sunday, I would even be tempted to rest Pogba tomorrow although I doubt he would be happy with that (understandably). Between him, Martial and Sanchez we can cause City problems.
Absolutely. We're coming to the end of the most difficult part of our season yet and hope we finish both the games in a high.
Like Scholes, he has weakness and sometimes did something 'silly'; but who cares. The United of old was all about players able to expressing themselves on the pitch. That's why we watch the team play, not just checking on the end score.
Happy times
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I'm glad somebody else notices it. To be honest, I'm worried about some of the comments in general in here that completely ignore his horrendous first half's and praising his "yeah he ran a bit second half" as a complete package containing 90 minutes of brilliance. It's out there, for sure.
The whole team sucked in the first 30 minutes. That was because Bournemouth ran like nutters and used up all their energy. They gassed too early. We happily dominated the 2nd.
Pogba was not the only one, so why use that as a stick to beat him? It's just bias.
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