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Hence why it was better when Rooney was the supporting Star behind Ronaldo and then RVP. When he went AWOL, it didn't matter so much. We were best having Rooney as supporter, however once we entertained him being the main guy, United weren't good enough. We could easily buy someone as good or better than Pogba to play 10 or CM and problem solved. He will have less pressure or scrutiny and can relax his way through the season as opposed to be expected to do everything.

Comparing Rooney with this situation is not the best example considering how Rooney, despite his flaws and a bad patches of form, played in big matches. As a number 9, 10 or from the wing. It didn't matter.
 
What's that got to do with him clearly being weaker than demebele which was the point.

Saying "each time they met Dembele won" as if they have played against each other hundreds of time already to reach that conclusion ?

And Pogba was good against Spurs last season iirc.
 
If Fabregas can perform in a midfield 2, then Pogba has no excuse to not do the same. Fabregas has never had the mobility or engine to play in a 2, but his footballing brain did the work for him.

Pogba has the footballing brain but he has this habit of playing like C.Ronaldo when he is in the middle of the pitch. It's entertaining to watch when he is skinning people for fun, but he's a midfielder not a goalscoring winger.
 
Saying "each time they met Dembele won" as if they have played against each other hundreds of time already to reach that conclusion ?

And Pogba was good against Spurs last season iirc.

ItsI very simple when demebele and pogba have clashed individually. Pogba has been overpowered. Whether that be through tacklint or dribbling past each other. ImI not talkita about the whole spurs team.
 
ItsI very simple when demebele and pogba have clashed individually. Pogba has been overpowered. Whether that be through tacklint or dribbling past each other. ImI not talkita about the whole spurs team.

Again iirc Pogba was good against Spurs at Old Trafford last season ?
 
The social media and modern football fan is the worse things that ever happened to this sport. Reading the comments makes me feel sick.

I hope he continues with this in spite of all the hate, he will become a legend if not here somewhere else.
 
What's that got to do with my point about Dembele being clearly physically stronger than pogba ?

How can be overpowered and appears good at the same time ? If he was overpowered he would look as shite as we saw at Wembley few days ago.
 
Dembele is definitely not stronger than Pogba...both are absolute tanks and Pogba has gotten the better of Dembele many times and vice versa.

I would actually consider Pogba to be slightly stronger than Dembele with the ball and Dembele stronger off the ball. The way they use their strength is different.
 
Pogba is far superior player to dembele but just because you have better skills and are more talented doesn't mean anything if your attitude is suspect. Pogba so far from what I have seen has run away from challenges or when things go tough he goes missing. I feel he is more interested in playing for himself and showing the world see how good I am but he doesnt justify on the pitch. He has to sit down and take a hard look at himself. He has every quality to be one of the best but he has to start dominating on the pitch on consistent basis.
 
Pogba appears to be ill-advised to post such content at that time. Creates the impression his PR game is more important than football.
 
His form has been pretty good most of the season, this seems like a massive over reaction.
He does need to work harder though, I get the feeling something is up with the squad in general over the past couple weeks. Everyone has dropped off
 
Everton away was his best game recently. Hands down.

433 with him on the left of the 3. Pogba--Matic--Herrera.

Lets see that again, even if Ander isn't fit, play McTominay.
 
Because Dembele isnti the only player on the pitch.

If they're going for continuous clashes every time on the pitch and Dembele is winning every time, Pogba wouldn't have any time to do anything and that's what we saw at Wembley. At Old Trafford last season he was good, so surely he wasn't losing every battle to Dembele. Doesn't make any sense tbh.
 
Pogba is far superior player to dembele but just because you have better skills and are more talented doesn't mean anything if your attitude is suspect.
Pogba has the potential to develop to a better player then dembele but sorry right now that’s just complete bs. Pogba has done absolutely nothing to rank him as a “far superior player” this season. Ridiculous statement if you watched them both play.
 
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Jesus catch a grip, there's been more than two poor performances from Pogba. There's been debates about him ever since he pulled on the shirt.

In many ways he's taken over from Rooney (even in his prime). His top level is glorious but his bottom level is so bad you might as well play without him.


Can you list me an honest assesment of our top three performing players this season ?
 
I've never seen people so quick to jump on a player. Two poor performances.

There's a worry something has changed since the Sanchez transfer, that the focus of the team has be changed and Pogba isn't happy. Long term if he feels like it will restrict him greatly then I could see him moving on. He's a box office player not a defensive holder or pivot.

But wow some posters on here are talking like this has gone on all season. I think that's personal agenda.

I doubt it anyway to be honest but if there's any truth in that then he should be sold anyway

Sulking because we've brought in a world class player and he might no longer be the main man? That's just pathetic.
 
Pogba has the potential to develop to a better player then dembele but sorry right now that’s just complete bs. Pogba has done absolutely nothing to rank him as a “far superior player” this season. Ridiculous statement if you watched them both play.
Pogba is the far superior player. What has he done? lets see;
In 1300 minutes of prem football,
Pogba/Dembele
Key passes 21/15 - Pogba
chances created 30/15 Pogba
assists 9/0 Pogba
goals 3/0 Pogba
tackles won 17/17 even
dribbles 44/42 Pogba
dribble % 77/91 Dembele
aerial duels 31/1 Pogba
interceptions 15/22 Dembele

not in the same league. Dembele offers little but the occasional dribble and interception. What does he even offer in attack?
 
Pogba is the far superior player. What has he done? lets see;
In 1300 minutes of prem football,
Pogba/Dembele
Key passes 21/15 - Pogba
chances created 30/15 Pogba
assists 9/0 Pogba
goals 3/0 Pogba
tackles won 17/17 even
dribbles 44/42 Pogba
dribble % 77/91 Dembele
aerial duels 31/1 Pogba
interceptions 15/22 Dembele

not in the same league. Dembele offers little but the occasional dribble and interception. What does he even offer in attack?

Certainty. His teammates know they can trust him with the ball and they can play off him. Rarely loses the ball, allows them to build and maintain pressure. Sometimes simplicity is king, and making everything a metric based comparison loses that nuance.

Pogba is more talented but the game is about application of talent in a team framework.
 
Certainty. His teammates know they can trust him with the ball and they can play off him. Rarely loses the ball, allows them to build and maintain pressure. Sometimes simplicity is king, and making everything a metric based comparison loses that nuance.

Pogba is more talented but the game is about application of talent in a team framework.
Pogba's teams have won more than Dembele's and he has been a key part of those frameworks.
 
Pogba's teams have won more than Dembele's and he has been a key part of those frameworks.

That is the part you pick out?

Did I say that Dembele was a better player than Pogba? He is not, but he plays in a way that enables his teammates to perform at their highest level, and while he may not have the individual talent that Pogba has you should not undervalue the influence of a player like Dembele.
 
That is the part you pick out?

Did I say that Dembele was a better player than Pogba? He is not, but he plays in a way that enables his teammates to perform at their highest level, and while he may not have the individual talent that Pogba has you should not undervalue the influence of a player like Dembele.
I don't. I want Dembele at Utd
 
That is the part you pick out?

Did I say that Dembele was a better player than Pogba? He is not, but he plays in a way that enables his teammates to perform at their highest level, and while he may not have the individual talent that Pogba has you should not undervalue the influence of a player like Dembele.
I agree with this. If I may intervene in your dembele vs Pogba argument my thoughts are that Pogba is by far the more talented footballer but Poch has found a position and system that utilises all the things that are good about Dembeles game while not exposing the parts he lacks. The exact opposite of what Jose is currently doing with Pogba. Dembele is an excellent team player and a very important component in the spurs midfield. Pogba is a round peg in a square hole as it stands.
 
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I don't. I want Dembele at Utd

Should have bought him from Fulham, 31 in July so not going to happen now.

It is impressive how Spurs have created a system and camaraderie that allows relatively unheralded players to excel. Against Juve and Madrid have seen guys like Trippier, Dier, Ben Davies, Winks, Lamela, Sanchez, Sissoka, Aurier all be big parts of exceptional team performances. Their top players lead the way but it is a sign of a well coached team that they get so much from players who were passed over by the top clubs.
 
Should have bought him from Fulham, 31 in July so not going to happen now.

It is impressive how Spurs have created a system and camaraderie that allows relatively unheralded players to excel. Against Juve and Madrid have seen guys like Trippier, Dier, Ben Davies, Winks, Lamela, Sanchez, Sissoka, Aurier all be big parts of exceptional team performances. Their top players lead the way but it is a sign of a well coached team that they get so much from players who were passed over by the top clubs.
contract up in 2019. We can wait a year. He has been there how long? gets paid how much? has won what?
easy sell.
 
L'Euipe today : Paul Pogba regrets returning to Manchester United and he has a difficult relationship with Mourinho
 
I doubt it anyway to be honest but if there's any truth in that then he should be sold anyway

Sulking because we've brought in a world class player and he might no longer be the main man? That's just pathetic.

Who's said that ? There seems a shift since the signing, could be a tweak in responsibility....could be coincidence. In any case we aren't in a position to be selling the likes of Pogba.
 
Shave your bleeding head Paul and start focusing on your game. Time to grow up and prove utd right for investing so much money on you. Surely it would be better to be remembered for being a driving force that led utd to titles rather than silly dances and haircuts.
 
I'm honestly beginning to think he might leave if Mourinho continues to play him out of position. If he leaves again I'm never going to forgive Jose and the club. I know who I'd want to stay if it comes between Pogba and the manager.
 
I think he has been more reserved in tackling since his red card. Not sure if it is playing on his mind.
 
Dembele is definitely not stronger than Pogba...both are absolute tanks and Pogba has gotten the better of Dembele many times and vice versa.

I would actually consider Pogba to be slightly stronger than Dembele with the ball and Dembele stronger off the ball. The way they use their strength is different.
Dembele is actually physically stronger than Pogba.
 
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