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2016-17 Performances


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6.3 Season Average Rating
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51
Goals
9
Assists
6
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Not surprised - he's a very average player, technically, who usually compensates with his physical presence.

Fellaini revisited, if you wish.

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Out of interest, what's a successful through ball? Does it have to be an assist? If so, imagine what his total would look like if Ibra was actually putting them in the net.
 
Out of interest, what's a successful through ball? Does it have to be an assist? If so, imagine what his total would look like if Ibra was actually putting them in the net.
No, I think it's counted as successful if the receiving player can control it in any way. Ibra taking a shot should count as a controlled ball.

There are even methods that distinguish if a miscontrol is the consequence of a bad pass or a bad first touch. In the second case it is still counted as a successful pass, even if it wasn't completed.
 
He'd never be given that much time in the premier league to take those kinds of shots.

This is just going to start a whole different debate about EPL v whoever. Those goals are against Napoli who would be beat most English teams, even Utd in our current state. He almost pulled one out of nowhere against Watford. Pogba's easily one of the most technically gifted players in the league. In fact, I cant think of a midfielder who can combine his passing, shooting and dribbling.
 
No, I think it's counted as successful if the receiving player can control it in any way. Ibra taking a shot should count as a controlled ball.

There are even methods that distinguish if a miscontrol is the consequence of a bad pass or a bad first touch. In the second case it is still counted as a successful pass, even if it wasn't completed.

Ah ok, so that seems fair then. He has been noticeably pulling them off, along with the little chips over the top.
 
I see the meltdown stage is dying down slowly. We're still at that phase where people are still screaming how Liverpool will hammer us 5 past, Pogba is average or shit and all other ridiculous claims one hear on the Caf after a bad result.

The Liverpool game couldn't come any sooner. We need a game to stop the hysteria.
 
He hasn't even been "poor" in my eyes anyway, I just think people expected some kind of Messi performances that he's not really capable of yet.

He has been good in possession and we've rarely lost a midfield battle yet apart from against city (tactical issue)

He's carried the ball forward well but the lack of movement/link up from our forwards has left him a little lost, he's ended up resorting to having to hit pot shots which haven't been his best.

I feel that as a team we really lack balance and understanding, but once it all comes together we will see the best of him.

So far though I hardly think he's been poor, just fairly average. Hasn't pulled up any trees but he has improved us so far.

We definitely need to take him off the leash though, let him use his running and power positively without the worry of losing the ball. a 4/3/3 with more room in the 10 and forwards that keep the width is desperately required.
Patrick Vieira like performances would suffice. I mean he was in the Fifa World 11, something even Vieira didn't acheive right? He was voted the top3 CM in the world which, irrespective of age, would put him on the Vieira level (I know they are different players) as a CM no?
 
Patrick Vieira like performances would suffice. I mean he was in the Fifa World 11, something even Vieira didn't acheive right? He was voted the top3 CM in the world which, irrespective of age, would put him on the Vieira level (I know they are different players) as a CM no?

But silly to expect him to be Vieira straight away, no?
 
He'd never be given that much time in the premier league to take those kinds of shots.

Yet Charlie Adam and Wayne Rooney are out here lobbing goalkeepers from their own half...

I suppose him winning his header against a poor aerial side like Leicester wouldn't happen against Arsenal.
 
Patrick Vieira like performances would suffice. I mean he was in the Fifa World 11, something even Vieira didn't acheive right? He was voted the top3 CM in the world which, irrespective of age, would put him on the Vieira level (I know they are different players) as a CM no?

But silly to expect him to be Vieira straight away, no?

Lads, I hate to break it to you, but he's nothing like Vieira. Just because he's tall and gangly, and comes from France, doesn't mean he plays like him.

Pogba is a more akin to Zidane than Vieira. He's more interested in affecting the game higher up the pitch than doing the dirty work. Sure, he'll work hard for the team. But he's not a traditional box to box midfielder like Vieira was. Matuidi is more like Vieira than Pogba is.
 
I see the meltdown stage is dying down slowly. We're still at that phase where people are still screaming how Liverpool will hammer us 5 past, Pogba is average or shit and all other ridiculous claims one hear on the Caf after a bad result.

The Liverpool game couldn't come any sooner. We need a game to stop the hysteria.
I haven't been here for few days and sadly meltdown is still strong.
 
Lads, I hate to break it to you, but he's nothing like Vieira. Just because he's tall and gangly, and comes from France, doesn't mean he plays like him.
I think most base their comparison on a different similarity :rolleyes:

Agree with the sentiment though
 
How did he play for France?

Fairly quiet.

Deschamps prefers to let Payet and Griezmann do the fancy stuff in the final third. Pogba has a more disciplined role, like at Euro 2016. He made one or two penetrating runs though.
 
Patrick Vieira like performances would suffice. I mean he was in the Fifa World 11, something even Vieira didn't acheive right? He was voted the top3 CM in the world which, irrespective of age, would put him on the Vieira level (I know they are different players) as a CM no?

Here's an idea, maybe Viera played for a much better team in his best days than Pogba is currently. I certainly can't remember Viera having to play aro

This place is bizarre, I can't imagine there's any other forum on the net where a team's record signing this summer is already getting stick. I'm not too worried though, this is the same place that predicted the ascendancy of Arsenal after Welbeck signed for them, and Di Maria showing us we were wrong to sell him.
 
I think Mourinho will insist on playing him as the #8 and developing his game from there.

Ideally he turns in to a player like Schweinsteiger, his transition from LM to CM wasn't easy for him in the start i think.

He needs to get better positionally and defensively, while also helping more out in the building up phase.

I think he has the attributes to be great there though, but going from having the likes of Marchisio/Khedira/Vidal protecting you and to what he have now will obviously take some time for him to adjust to.
 
Complete nonsense. As if long range goals never happen in the Prem.
Not only that. He already hit the bar vs Watford and had a great shot vs Leicester (was it a bar of was saved can't remember). So I guess he was indeed given that much time in those games.
 
A meltdown happened.

His stock has dropped amongst some pretty fecking massively, I jumped in before and thought I was on the rooney thread for a while. To be fair though clear flop, might still be in single figures for appearances, two of which have been great, but definitely a shite fellaini.
 
I'm just waiting for that one good performance in the coming games to happen then this place will suddenly flip and shift in opinion as if nothing contrary was ever said in this thread. Fans surely are some fickle things :lol:
 
I'm just waiting for that one good performance in the coming games to happen then this place will suddenly flip and shift in opinion as if nothing contrary was ever said in this thread. Fans surely are some fickle things :lol:

Just like it was with Ozil. Pogba is clearly class, and its just a matter of time, and it's not like he's been poor for now anyway.
 
Not surprised - he's a very average player, technically, who usually compensates with his physical presence.

Fellaini revisited, if you wish.

That's a ridiculous post. He's very technically gifted, almost weirdly so for a player of his size.
 
After watching France tonight, I am starting to think that he is never even worth £89 million in the first place. :(
Just a rich man's Fellaini.
 
After watching France tonight, I am starting to think that he is never even worth £89 million in the first place. :(
Just a rich man's Fellaini.

A lot of people disagree, but he's good as long as he's allowed to do whatever he pleases. He shines less and less stricter the tactics get.
 
This thread proves some people are thick as feck. Comparing him to fellaini. Abort thread. Kill it with fire.
 
Patrick Vieira like performances would suffice. I mean he was in the Fifa World 11, something even Vieira didn't acheive right? He was voted the top3 CM in the world which, irrespective of age, would put him on the Vieira level (I know they are different players) as a CM no?
He's black and French and a midfielder, but he's nothing like Viera in terms of play.

Lazy comparison.
 
Not surprised - he's a very average player, technically, who usually compensates with his physical presence.

Fellaini revisited, if you wish.
Technically very average:wenger:

He had top class technical ability while he was still a teenager, let alone now
 
I'm just waiting for that one good performance in the coming games to happen then this place will suddenly flip and shift in opinion as if nothing contrary was ever said in this thread. Fans surely are some fickle things :lol:
He'll come good.
He's far from the finished package(Cue someone bringing up his price again).

Ozil is a good example,but Modric is another.Sometimes players really do need time.Hes got to improve obviously but there is a good footballer in him.
 
Complete nonsense. As if long range goals never happen in the Prem.
Exactly, you only have to look at every goal Coutinho has ever said for Liverpool to know players are still afforded time on the edge of the box.
 
Are people really comparing him to Fellaini?
Have you're ever played or watched football?
Is it just about how many red 'alert' notifications you can achieve with one daft statement?
 
Pogba isn't fit to lace Fellaini's boots, he's a disgrace to his country, a disgrace to the club and a disgrace to his family. He's holding back great players like Rooney who haven't been given a chance to shine. I'd get rid in the Summer and bring in one of England's finest like Wilshere.

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Are people really comparing him to Fellaini?
Have you're ever played or watched football?
Is it just about how many red 'alert' notifications you can achieve with one daft statement?

Since you were probably still swimming around in your father's sack.

Check my posts in my profile - I was saying how average PP is months ago when rumours of his signing first started.

What I've seen so far is what I've been seeing the past three years of watching him almost every week, which has been more than enough to make be believe that he'll never boss the EPL like Viera,l Scholes, Keane and even Toure did for a couple of seasons.

And comparisons with Fellaini ? I'll stand be what I said - if both of them were 5' 8" probably neither of them would have made it as professional footballers.
 
He'll come good. I just find it odd why you would give Pogba a more restricted role. Let him roam in the opponent's final third.
 
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