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I hate this thread.

I hate that I agree with all the comments about him being a young player, getting used to a new league who has already shown enormous potential.

I also hate the fact there's just no plausible justification for spending so much money on a player who has so often failed to make the difference when needed most.

I hate that he is nowhere near the level of consistent quality produced by every single 50m+ player who who would have ever been considered a good signing. That's elite company and he fares terribly in comparison.

I hate the nagging doubt that this is Angel Di Maria all over again. A galactico signed for the sake of proving that Woodward has big, swinging balls.

Abso-bloody-exactly. Bang on how I feel about Pogba and the whole signing.

Except the bit about hating yourself for essentially being able to think freely and tell the truth about what you're watching, because that is what makes you a 'good fan' in my opinion, and also a good poster.

But yeah, the bit about "nowhere near the level of consistent quality produced by every single 50m+ player who who would have ever been considered a good signing." is just absolutely how I feel, and also the most succinct way I've seen it put thus far.

I don't think it'll go the way of ADM, as I think Pogba has too much heart, he's emotionally invested in the club and it shows.

I do think, however, that it could be that he stays here for about 3 seasons (including this one) and is gradually phased out to save the club's ego, and then goes to PSG or somewhere like that.

English footy's just too fast/intense for him, and having a luxury player in midfield is a weird, unnecessary demand to put on the rest of the team I feel - or at least for what you get in return with Pogba thus far.
 
It's a big problem having him in the side in a way. We're playing him AM, behind the striker, taking the position from Mata, or Mki. Really we should play him in the Herrera position, or drop him as he's playing awful.
 
I hate this thread.

I hate that I agree with all the comments about him being a young player, getting used to a new league who has already shown enormous potential.

I also hate the fact there's just no plausible justification for spending so much money on a player who has so often failed to make the difference when needed most.

I hate that he is nowhere near the level of consistent quality produced by every single 50m+ player who who would have ever been considered a good signing. That's elite company and he fares terribly in comparison.

I hate the nagging doubt that this is Angel Di Maria all over again. A galactico signed for the sake of proving that Woodward has big, swinging balls.

Most of all, I hate myself for lacking the patience I would always ask for any new signing so early in his United career. It's maddeningly inconsistent of me.

But yeah, feck this thread. I hate it.
Honestly, I thought his second half performance was really good today. Obviously first half he didn't do enough but second half he got on the ball all the time, made chances and looked a threat. A central midfielder can only do so much in terms of creating chances and giving players the ball in good positions. Yes he should've scored himself in the first half, but I think the players who aren't performing well and a general reliance on Pogba is the bigger problem, rather then Pogba himself. Pogba with his performances carries us in a lot of ways but you still need the players to put the chances away. So I wouldn't worry about him. He's a brilliant player and while he has had some sloppy games, for the most part, he looks brilliant and dominates games. We just need to get the overall system working fluidly to be more threatening throughout games.
 
It is funny how he gets the ball and has to dribble or do some tricks even when there is no other players around him immediately while ignoring a quick pass that would have set us on.

When he does quick pass, they usually come off really good and dangerous. But, no, he has to just do his thing in the middle of the pitch.

I like the fact that players can't take the ball off of him easily. But, he really needs to grow up a bit and starts focusing on being productive atm since the team is not doing well to carry his little tricks.
 
English footy's just too fast/intense for him, and having a luxury player in midfield is a weird, unnecessary demand to put on the rest of the team I feel - or at least for what you get in return with Pogba thus far.

That hits the nail on the head in terms of my worries about him. Haven't seen it so put like that before but yeah, crystallises my concerns perfectly. It's the nagging feeling that an alternative, yet still very good, central midfielder with a bit less razzmatazz but a better execution of the basics would make us a far better team. There's shades of Nani in his approach. If you were playing with him you'd be equal parts awestruck at his talent and fecking infuriated by how often he gets caught out of position or gives the ball away for no good reason.
 
A bit laughable that United have spent so much on a player who only functions when the team as a whole is functioning, but can barely be depended upon (so far) to provide a brilliant winning moment when the rest of the team is down. Which is why it's even more laughable that he was being lauded as captain material on here a few weeks back. I pity any team whose captain only shines when the team shines, but cannot be called upon to provide a moment of inspiration when things might not be going well.

Oh well he's only 23, young & learnin' and all that.
 
A bit laughable that United have spent so much on a player who only functions when the team as a whole is functioning, but can barely be depended upon (so far) to provide a brilliant winning moment when the rest of the team is down. Which is why it's even more laughable that he was being lauded as captain material on here a few weeks back. I pity any team whose captain only shines when the team shines, but cannot be called upon to provide a moment of inspiration when things might not be going well.

Oh well he's only 23, young & learnin' and all that.

So true.
I would say he has produced plenty of match winning type moments though, only for team mates to fluff their lines.
Saying that, he just isn't performing at the level required of him and I was seriously dismayed by how he shrank vs Liverpool, that really was worrying
 
A bit laughable that United have spent so much on a player who only functions when the team as a whole is functioning, but can barely be depended upon (so far) to provide a brilliant winning moment when the rest of the team is down. Which is why it's even more laughable that he was being lauded as captain material on here a few weeks back. I pity any team whose captain only shines when the team shines, but cannot be called upon to provide a moment of inspiration when things might not be going well.

Oh well he's only 23, young & learnin' and all that.
So his perfectly weighted over-the-top balls to Ibra and Rashford in the second half, that really should've given him at least one assist, don't count as moments of inspiration? I guess it's his fault he isn't playing as a striker, winger and central midfielder at the same time.
 
You don't get to decide it's irrelevant just because you don't like it. Marketability plays a big role in transfer fees and player remuneration these days whether you want to accept that or not. It's a factor in the fee. Deal with it.

That's not to say it's the 'primary' reason, of course it isn't, longevity and bargaining power are other factors. You pay what you have to in order to get what you want, up to a limit.

For what it's worth the bitching about Lingard and social media is equally fecking dumb.



Again you're missing the point and trying to pin a price on something using only one metric of many and to make matters worse using a ludicrously small sample to do so.



I'm not dismissing it, he's in a poor run, but he's had plenty of good games as well and I'm not worried because it's obvious that he's suffering the consequence of a football filled summer and too many minutes this season.

People need to calm down.

Frankly Rado this marketability argument is one of the worst I've heard. You can tell me to deal with it and act like Pogba is akin to an F1 pay driver all you want, but I suspect if you offered this opinion to fans of any other club you'd be laughed at. I think it would be particularly amusing to Chelsea fans watching their team romp home to the title with a player signed for a third of what we paid for Pogba at the heart of their midfield that they were somehow missing out on some marketing masterstroke that they didn't splurge a world record fee on a midfielder who (with the best will in the world) isn't currently worth it. I'd rather we sign football players because they're good at football than because of their brand appeal.

Pogba is a football player bought to play football; the very fact we have to resort to some vague intangible accountancy to try and justify what we paid for what we got is itself an admittance that what he's doing where it counts isn't currently good enough?

And how much does it mitigate his performances? Knock £10m off the price? £20m, £30m? £40m? How marketable does he have to be to justify giving us comparatively less than, say, Alexis gives Arsenal?

Of course ultimately the numbers are currently irrelevant. We've bought a player who had a reputation as world class and paid what we thought he was worth for one reason: to improve our team here and now and in the future, and The issue is that he is failing to live up to that reputation, and he's struggling to make the expected improvements on the pitch. If you're not worried about him then bully for you, but the amount of goalposts you're having to shift to not worry about him does hint at the fact that maybe you expected more to start with too.

That hits the nail on the head in terms of my worries about him. Haven't seen it so put like that before but yeah, crystallises my concerns perfectly. It's the nagging feeling that an alternative, yet still very good, central midfielder with a bit less razzmatazz but a better execution of the basics would make us a far better team. There's shades of Nani in his approach. If you were playing with him you'd be equal parts awestruck at his talent and fecking infuriated by how often he gets caught out of position or gives the ball away for no good reason.

Yes my worry too. He was sold as a box to box player with the creativity of a 10 that would do both jobs simultaneously, but in reality he's a bit of one and a bit of the other, but doesn't do either well enough to have the sole responsibility for those tasks in the team. So we've already got Herrera doing the box-to-box duties to cover for Pogba because Pogba clearly can't do that, and I'm not at all convinced Mata would do a worse job if we replaced Pogba with him and played more of a 4-2-3-1.

All in all not a great posisition to be in with Pogba right now.
 
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That hits the nail on the head in terms of my worries about him. Haven't seen it so put like that before but yeah, crystallises my concerns perfectly. It's the nagging feeling that an alternative, yet still very good, central midfielder with a bit less razzmatazz but a better execution of the basics would make us a far better team. There's shades of Nani in his approach. If you were playing with him you'd be equal parts awestruck at his talent and fecking infuriated by how often he gets caught out of position or gives the ball away for no good reason.

Nani is a good shout actually, and I love Nani btw.

Pogba is like a midfield Nani. His range of passing is greater than Nani's (as it should be for a midfielder), and his ceiling is higher, but not that much higher than Nani's was at his peak.

I do actually wonder if Pogba might end up in a different position than he's seen as now. I mean, he isn't a 10, but equally he isn't really a midfielder in the traditional sense...

Sometimes I feel like he's a CF doing a brilliant job of filling in MF!
 
The most worrying thing is having spent £89m, lets just say he never progresses beyond this current level.. it will be so difficult to take him out of the side. If you're going to make big major statement signings, you have to be damn sure the guys going to do the business on the pitch.
 
I hear the criticism and i have no defence for Pogba. Like i said a long time ago, Juventus didn't develop him as a midfielder. They haven't taught him how to play the game and apply himself.

When i look at him though, i see only minor tweaks to his game that will bring him to the top of the game. And I'm not talking about tweaks which are even a test of his talent, just pretty basic stuff which players generally learn naturally with maturity and experience.

He will be as good, if not better, than Paul Scholes if he is coached correctly. I just sincerely hope Mourinho tries to show him the error of his ways instead of wrapping him in cotton wool and enabling his immaturity to continue.
 
Nani is a good shout actually, and I love Nani btw.

Pogba is like a midfield Nani. His range of passing is greater than Nani's (as it should be for a midfielder), and his ceiling is higher, but not that much higher than Nani's was at his peak.

I do actually wonder if Pogba might end up in a different position than he's seen as now. I mean, he isn't a 10, but equally he isn't really a midfielder in the traditional sense...

Sometimes I feel like he's a CF doing a brilliant job of filling in MF!

This is a very clever and lateral point if view imho, food for thought. For what it is worth, I would say he might be at his best and worth his fee as a David Luiz in disguise in a kind of sweeper role?
 
Hes pissing me off tbh.
Really think hes great player, but all the side show hes bringing and not putting in the performances to back it up on the pitch is pissing me off. His performance at Anfield especially.
Just get a normal haircut and get off social media for a bit and get your head down and work on your game and form!
 
When i look at him though, i see only minor tweaks to his game that will bring him to the top of the game. And I'm not talking about tweaks which are even a test of his talent, just pretty basic stuff which players generally learn naturally with maturity and experience.

Agreed with this, not every ball needs to be killer, sometimes a simple pass puts somebody else in a better position to do something, or he doesnt have to get the ball and try and beat the opposition when hes surrounded by three guys, because, theres a free guy which would be released with a quick pass.
 
Yes my worry too. He was sold as a box to box player with the creativity of a 10 that would do both jobs simultaneously, but in reality he's a bit of one and a bit of the other, but doesn't do either well enough to have the sole responsibility for those tasks in the team. So we've already got Herrera doing the box-to-box duties to cover for Pogba because Pogba clearly can't do that, and I'm not at all convinced Mata would do a worse job if we replaced Pogba with him and played more of a 4-2-3-1.

All in all not a great posisition to be in with Pogba right now.

That taps into my worries about when he was a more unknown quantity and people were asking how to get the most out of him. There were comments along the line of "well he has to play in a midfield three, with one other CM doing all the defensive work and another CM doing all the creative work". So, erm, what is left that needs doing, exactly?!?

Tbf he's been way more creative than I thought he would be. Fantastic vision and execution of passes. They do seem few and far between, though, with a whole world of faffing around between them. The most frustrating part of all is that he has it jn him to be a creator and destroyer, in terms of his technique and physique. It's between the ears where he seems very far off the pace.
 
He looked better playing in a 2 man midfield.

Agree, against weak oppo at home we should just leave Carrick out and play him and Herrera. Problem is in a big game when we won't dominate as much
 
That taps into my worries about when he was a more unknown quantity and people were asking how to get the most out of him. There were comments along the line of "well he has to play in a midfield three, with one other CM doing all the defensive work and another CM getting all the creative work". So, erm, what the feck is he bringing to the party?!?

Yeah and one of those has to be able to dictate the tempo like Carrick or Pirlo because Pogba can't do that either.

Ultimately I think those comments were right, unfortunately, Pogba will have to move in to the role Herrera is currently occupying and a more creative player will have to come in next to him, but given Pogba's defensive contributions so far that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. If his long term future is in the role he's occupying now then he needs to become much more of a creative force and show more than the little glimpses he manages now.
 
This is a very clever and lateral point if view imho, food for thought. For what it is worth, I would say he might be at his best and worth his fee as a David Luiz in disguise in a kind of sweeper role?

De Gea
Bailly Pogba Rojo
Valencia Herrera Fellaini Darmian
Mkhi Ibra Martial
 
This is a very clever and lateral point if view imho, food for thought. For what it is worth, I would say he might be at his best and worth his fee as a David Luiz in disguise in a kind of sweeper role?
He already is a main build up player, and I don't think he'll ever be a central defender. Just play him as he is played now (floating between DLP and OM), create fluidity and movement around him (that's the hard part), give him the ball (was often overlooked in open positions lately), and he'll be decisive on a constant basis.
 
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Rio tearing into them for that video.

I was fine with the video at first, I've been coming round to it, but in hindsight Rio has a point. They havent won anything yet and they are sitting in 6th place.

It's a big problem having him in the side in a way. We're playing him AM, behind the striker, taking the position from Mata, or Mki. Really we should play him in the Herrera position, or drop him as he's playing awful.
No we are not. He's a the left sided #8, just like Herrera, albeit more attack minded.
 
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Rio is completely out of line there. Pogba is a guy who needs to be confident and loose on the pitch. Dancing a bit pre match is a way for him to be confident and loose. And it is really the height of hypocrisy that it is Rio and one of the goddamn Spice Boys calling him out for it.
 
Rio is completely out of line there. Pogba is a guy who needs to be confident and loose on the pitch. Dancing a bit pre match is a way for him to be confident and loose. And it is really the height of hypocrisy that it is Rio and one of the goddamn Spice Boys calling him out for it.

No need for it to be all over social media
 
Had two fantastic balls over the defence, two efforts at goal and two good cross field passes. Obviously not a vintage performance by any means but for me he did OK, at least better than the others.

What he does on social media doesn't interest me and doesn't bother me.
 
On both occasions he has faced Liverpool he's been terrible. I wonder if that has anything to do with Liverpool's press not giving him the time to play his long balls.

He doesn't have Xavi or Pirlo's instinct of knowing how to maneuver out of being pressed by multiple players. This is why he can't be the DLP Mourinho wants him to be. Deschamps tried it at the Euros and it just didn't work.
 
On both occasions he has faced Liverpool he's been terrible. I wonder if that has anything to do with Liverpool's press not giving him the time to play his long balls.
Against high pressing like that, every United build up player (DF & MF) will need immediate short passing options. And those short passing options will need immediate options, too. At the moment the necessary movement for such a quick passing game doesn't exist. Contrary to his image, Pogba imo has the quickest release, the cleanest execution and the best movement from all of United's CMs when playing such a direct style.

The alternative is constant long balls from the defenders over the pressing. The way things are going at the moment I'd bet on that option, which would mean limited overall involvement from Pogba.
He doesn't have Xavi or Pirlo's instinct of knowing how to maneuver out of being pressed by multiple players. This is why he can't be the DLP Mourinho wants him to be. Deschamps tried it at the Euros and it just didn't work.
Deschamps has also played him like that this season and it worked out brilliantly in the last games.
 
:lol:

So much bitterness in this post because you got called out for your terrible thread (and rightly so).
Bitterness for what?

As for 'getting called'.... Erm I think his form has shown that I was on the money.
 
Offensively, it's hard to see what more he can really do. He's already up at the top of the key passes and through balls tables in the league. There is very little movement in behind the opposition defenders as Zlatan is often dropping deep, and on the occasions there is a pass on we keep missing the chances. We need to a) create better movement ahead of him and b) finish what he does create. Maybe a few less speculative shots would help, but he's doing everything else right.

Defensively is a different story.
 
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Honestly, I thought his second half performance was really good today. Obviously first half he didn't do enough but second half he got on the ball all the time, made chances and looked a threat. A central midfielder can only do so much in terms of creating chances and giving players the ball in good positions. Yes he should've scored himself in the first half, but I think the players who aren't performing well and a general reliance on Pogba is the bigger problem, rather then Pogba himself. Pogba with his performances carries us in a lot of ways but you still need the players to put the chances away. So I wouldn't worry about him. He's a brilliant player and while he has had some sloppy games, for the most part, he looks brilliant and dominates games. We just need to get the overall system working fluidly to be more threatening throughout games.

I am a Pogba fan but agree with many here that he needs to be better. Think you are being kind to him on his performance yesterday. He did put in a decent 2nd half but still not good enough. I agree with you that CM should not be counted on to score but he should be much more dominating at a price tag of 80+ m. He gets into good scoring positions and has a cannon shot but his accuracy is nowhere near good enough. That needs to be seriously worked on.
 
He has the technique and physical attributes of world class but his mentality attributes apart from his vision as midfield are not good enough. His positioning, awareness, and decision making are just not good enough. You thought he has learnt those aspects from the great Pirlo, it seems he hasn't and will definitely need more time.
 
He's disappointed me lately, but as others are saying he creates chances for the team. Even when he's not at his best. If the attack could function and he had 6 more assists there'd be very few complaints.
 
I hate this thread.

I hate that I agree with all the comments about him being a young player, getting used to a new league who has already shown enormous potential.

I also hate the fact there's just no plausible justification for spending so much money on a player who has so often failed to make the difference when needed most.

I hate that he is nowhere near the level of consistent quality produced by every single 50m+ player who who would have ever been considered a good signing. That's elite company and he fares terribly in comparison.

I hate the nagging doubt that this is Angel Di Maria all over again. A galactico signed for the sake of proving that Woodward has big, swinging balls.

Most of all, I hate myself for lacking the patience I would always ask for any new signing so early in his United career. It's maddeningly inconsistent of me.

But yeah, feck this thread. I hate it.
Aye, I hear you. There is just so much non-football rhetoric that is scrambling to get in front of this guy and watching him on the field. He's talented and a very good player one I really enjoy watching but the off-field hype stuff just doesn't help. I don't buy into it but the white noise is almost deafening.

He'll come good. Gotta step back and look big picture with Pogba.
 
I hate this thread.

I hate that I agree with all the comments about him being a young player, getting used to a new league who has already shown enormous potential.

I also hate the fact there's just no plausible justification for spending so much money on a player who has so often failed to make the difference when needed most.

I hate that he is nowhere near the level of consistent quality produced by every single 50m+ player who who would have ever been considered a good signing. That's elite company and he fares terribly in comparison.

I hate the nagging doubt that this is Angel Di Maria all over again. A galactico signed for the sake of proving that Woodward has big, swinging balls.

Most of all, I hate myself for lacking the patience I would always ask for any new signing so early in his United career. It's maddeningly inconsistent of me.

But yeah, feck this thread. I hate it.

:nervous: I hate that everything said in this post is what I can relate to when it comes to Pogba. If the season was to finished after last night, I'd rate Pogba as a big disappointment.
Hey @Pogue Mahone , wasn't Di Maria's first game for Utd a cracking one too, just like Pogba :nervous: ?
 
Cr*ap again last night. Poor man management from Jose. When this guy plays poorly consecutively it is ok, he will still start, same with Ibra. Oh no god forbid Martial not to play well, we dont see him for weeks. Jose is a cretin
 
He and Ibra have been below par the last few games. Maybe dropping them won't be a bad idea. Maybe give them the kick up the ass which Pogba seems to need especially.
 
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