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2016-17 Performances

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6.3 Season Average Rating
Appearances
51
Goals
9
Assists
6
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Worst performance I've ever seen coming from him. Completely out of sync with his teammates. Not directly cost us the game but really has hinder our play compare to Rooney's performance midweek. We seem can't catch a break: when everyone were in the same wavelength then ref fecked us up or our players get match banned. Then players come back in out of sync
 
Not knee jerk , have been thinking it for a while now;

He's overrated and there are better players in our squad who are better then pogba in the roles he tries to play.
 
Terrible performance today, probably his worst of the season. Really disappointing given the form that he had been recently. To me, he also looked disinterested at times.
 
togg said:
I agree, this 'main man' thing is pointless in a team, well, I suppose unless you are Messi or Ronaldo perhaps, but he isn't...
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But it very much appears that he's been bought as, and is being played as, that kind of 'marquee', luxury player.

It's unusual to pay that kind of money for a player who you don't expect special things from - Bale, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Messi etc. Players who have very high goal and assist rates.

Maybe there's a level of expectation on Pogba to deliver that sometimes makes him over-think things? Like he feels that he has to do something special. That's the feeling I sometimes get watching him at United.

His license to shoot and freedom to get forward is very similar to Yaya Touré, but our team isn't solid enough to give someone that role from the midfield.

I like Pogba, and I think he's a really good player on his day, but I do think he brings a certain 'softness' to our midfield (the first City game is a good example of this) that isn't typical of Mourinho teams.

I think a much more Mourinho signing would've been Kanté, who we easily could've signed for 50m and would've slotted straight into our team and complimented the 4231 José was obviously keen on implementing...

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Val----------Jones--------Bailly--------Blind
--------Carrick---------------Kanté---------
Henrik--------------Mata------------Martial
---------------------Zlatan------------------

Likewise, you can imagine Pogba at Chelsea with Conté, a manager who he's excelled under before, in that 343 formation that he excelled in!

I guess my point is that what we need, and what is usually an absolute guarantee in a Mourinho team, is a top DM, not a luxury midfielder who needs a more solid structure around him to really do this thing.
 
Kag said:
No, but his side would be winning games, therefore reducing the level of criticism attributed to his performances. Pogba was widely lauded at Juventus in a side that won games. What's the difference? Has he suddenly developed bad habits having moved to Manchester?
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Fair enough, but I did say when it was 1-0 during the game, the score is irrelevant and he was very poor today. Although not to you..

Juve was a different league, formation and players. It's not really right to assume he'd continue the form
 
His worst performance for us so far by a distance. It got to the point where I thought he was purposefully trying to lose possession.
 
Speak said:
Because it means that arguably three or four midfielders/forwards of £50-90 million quality will be needed before the team is actually good enough and Pogba is genuinely useful.
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Speak said:
If a club has smashed their transfer record for a player, you'd expect him to be a player who leads and who elevates the level of those around him. Not a player who needs to be led, or needs four or five equally/more talented players in order to play well.

You can buy such players without breaking transfer records.
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Kinda contradicted yourself there.
 
Complete and utter shite today.

Am I surprised ?

Not really....I've always believed and said on here many times that he's hugely overrated....I'm surprised only by just how desperately shite he really was - can't remember one single occasion or moment when he looked capable of doing any of the basic skills of any professional footballer or anything useful, never mind good.

So shite, in fact, that he even he made Clerverly look OK today.

If we ever have another performence like today, again - show him the truth and take him off....Embarass him....Make him hear the world laughing at him and us for breaking the World Record fee for a what in truth is a very, very average and overrated player whose ego is the only thing bigger than his wallet.
 
Full bodied red said:
Complete and utter shite today.

Am I surprised ?

Not really....I've always believed and said on here many times that he's hugely overrated....I'm surprised only by just how desperately shite he really was - can't remember one single occasion or moment when he looked capable of doing any of the basic skills of any professional footballer or anything useful, never mind good.

So shite, in fact, that he even he made Clerverly look OK today.

If we ever have another performence like today, again - show him the truth and take him off....Embarass him....Make him hear the world laughing at him and us for breaking the World Record fee for a what in truth is a very, very average and overrated player whose ego is the only thing bigger than his wallet.
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Clearly you simply have a biased agenda.
 
Sort of....

Given he walked out on us but then swans back in as some great £100 million galactico....

And then we have to put up with shite like today, but we're not allowed to complain ????

Agenda ?? Absolutely...,

Biased ? No.....Seen virtually every match the past three years and this man is hugely, hugely overrated....
 
Jermaine Jenas thought he played well. He wasn't great and things weren't coming off (like the whole team) but I thought he was strong defensively. People are going over the top.
 
Full bodied red said:
Sort of....

Given he walked out on us but then swans back in as some great £100 million galactico....

And then we have to put up with shite like today, but we're not allowed to complain ????

Agenda ?? Absolutely...,

Biased ? No.....Seen virtually every match the past three years and this man is hugely, hugely overrated....
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You compared him to Fellaini. That's just ridiculous.
 
Bloody hell. It's like the caf are bi polar. Just a few days ago people were saying he's on his way to be one of the best in the league, and that he's been playing well for about a month now. Just yesterday he was called future captain material. Now he's incredibly overrated because he had one bad game?

He wasn't even that bad.
 
Vito Corleone said:
Bloody hell. It's like the caf are bi polar. Just a few days ago people were saying he's on his way to be one of the best in the league, and that he's been playing well for about a month now. Just yesterday he was called future captain material. Now he's incredibly overrated because he had one bad game?

He wasn't even that bad.
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He was bad. But you are right about the other part. This place is knee-jerk extravaganza
 
Ah, I wondered how long it'd take for the "he wasn't that bad" posts to start. Took a bit longer than I thought tbh.

And yes, he was that bad. Worst performance, ever? Obviously not, but he really was bad.
 
Seveneric said:
Ah, I wondered how long it'd take for the "he wasn't that bad" posts to start. Took a bit longer than I thought tbh.

And yes, he was that bad. Worst performance, ever? Obviously not, but he really was bad.
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That was definitely his worst performance for us today.

But he has been improving in the last month or so.

The only credit I can give him from that game is defensively he was decent.
 
I am jsut little too lost about judging Pogba, I gave him too much stick couple of games ago and I think he wasn't that bad today but bad result can affect so many ppl's opinions but yeah I watched the game while working in the bar so I guess I missed his bad moments. I agree that he looks a little better in midfield two than three so far..
 
If you watch the highlights he was crucial to all our best attacking plays.
 
He needs to improve his decision making. It was frustrating seeing him hold on to the ball for too long and then trying to dribble out of situations when the passing lanes were closed down and he was surrounded by 2-3 players.
 
VP89 said:
So his lack of decision making and tendancy to overcomplicate things in the middle of the park would suddenly disappear if he were playing for say, Arsenal?
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If he was playing for Arsenal, Wenger would have treated him like he treated Ramsey. And would have probably forced him to play in the wings off the bench. He wouldn't do that immediately and Ramsey is obviously a big Teacher's pet for Wenger but on the long run he's not going to sacrifice his team for one player. Look at how he benched 30 million pound Xhaka until he showed that he can be trusted to perform.

Kag said:
No, but his side would be winning games, therefore reducing the level of criticism attributed to his performances. Pogba was widely lauded at Juventus in a side that won games. What's the difference? Has he suddenly developed bad habits having moved to Manchester?
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Seria A is a joke league and no one should give a damn about how Pogba performed in Juve. He was a big fish in a small pond and now he has to show he can perform in a bigger pond. But in any case Juve fans could have told you how Pogba is talented but still a work in progress, so it's the fault of Woodward and Mourinho for thinking Pogba is something he is not.
 
Speak said:
If a club has smashed their transfer record for a player, you'd expect him to be a player who leads and who elevates the level of those around him. Not a player who needs to be led, or needs four or five equally/more talented players in order to play well.

You can buy such players without breaking transfer records.
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He was awful yesterday, but he has steadily improved since he arrived and has shown glimpses of true world class.

The notion that a good player has to "elevates the level of those around him" is simply not true. Just look at Ronaldo, voted the best in the world several times and yet he does not do that. In fact i'd say the opposite is true, where the likes of Ronaldo restricts players around him so he can freely express himself.

For a CM, Pogba has a very high risk/reward style of playing and it makes him look either dreadful or majestic. It also seems he is very eager to impress and despite all his talent he is still young and needs to improve his decision making.
 
Roberto420 said:
Kinda contradicted yourself there.
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Not really.
United have now set themselves up to a point where they are breaking their transfer record on support players. So arguably the goal posts have shifted so much that £50-90 million is what they'd be required to pay for such players. They shouldn't need to, but they probably will need to.

Someone with a degree of experience at leading his team (Neymar, for example) would cost £120 million +
 
He was poor yesterday and he has been bullied by Gueye from the first minute. We can also say that Herrera was not very good too, so maybe it's all the midfielders that have been not very good.
 
He reminded me of that kid in the school team who was clearly bettrr than the others and very talrnted but frlt he had to demonstrate it all the time with riduculous shots and trying to beat players cobstabtly

Pogba had a poor game and his decision making needs to improve
 
Bobcat said:
He was awful yesterday, but he has steadily improved since he arrived and has shown glimpses of true world class.

The notion that a good player has to "elevates the level of those around him" is simply not true. Just look at Ronaldo, voted the best in the world several times and yet he does not do that. In fact i'd say the opposite is true, where the likes of Ronaldo restricts players around him so he can freely express himself.

For a CM, Pogba has a very high risk/reward style of playing and it makes him look either dreadful or majestic. It also seems he is very eager to impress and despite all his talent he is still young and needs to improve his decision making.
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Not a 'good player', a 'record transfer' player.
Unless you already have Ronaldo or Messi in your team (which makes every player signed inferior, regardless of cost) you'd be expecting a record transfer player who isn't dependent on equally talented teammates in order to properly shine.

Ronaldo went to Madrid and was immediately their driving force. He was better than everyone at the club (by a distance) but that didn't stop him playing a huge role in improving the team's fortunes.

If Madrid had paid all that money, and then realised that Ronaldo wouldn't shine until he had two more Ronaldo's and a Messi playing with him... that would have been cause for concern.
 
Gueye gave him problems all game, it happens sometimes. Doesn't he have the best defensive stats of any midfielder in the league?
 
He needs coached properly. Taking so many damn touches can be drilled out of him - I refuse to believe it can't be.

His creative output doesn't warrant a role where he can do anything he likes.
 
pocco said:
Hasn't he created the most chances for is this season? Not bad for a CM. But yes, he still has a lot of learning to do.
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Has he? That's quite remarkable given how poor he's been on average. In that case maybe he could really be a £50m+ midfielder if he played more efficiently.

I mean to the naked eye Mata and Miki look leagues above him in terms of creative outputs.
 
I thought he was disappointing yesterday, too slow in his build up and didn't show enough fight. Would have preferred to have seen Martial - Mata - Mkhitaryan as our trio behind Zlatan.
 
I thought he was really poor yesterday but has been in good form of late. My bigger frustration lies with the fact that both he and Zlatan appear to be untouchable... in the sense that as long as they are fit, they will play 90 minutes of every important match. It's as if it is written into their contract. It feels a lot like the situation with Rooney under LVG which many of us criticised... 'the captain shall always play' thing. It does the team no favours at all. If a player is having a shocker... drag them off!
 
Minimalist said:
Has he? That's quite remarkable given how poor he's been on average. In that case maybe he could really be a £50m+ midfielder if he played more efficiently.

I mean to the naked eye Mata and Miki look leagues above him in terms of creative outputs.
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Amazing you could say this after watching all our games this season (assuming you have?). Pogba was bobbins yesterday but has been quality in recent games, where he's been creating chance after chance.
 
cyberman said:
There's no link between Ibra and Paul, he has to do too much to advance rather than short 1-2s with a no 10 in front of him
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They created more chances for each other than any other pairing in the Prem
 
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