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He set up nothing.
Jesus Christ this place loves a knee jerk.
Wasnt too bad today. Defended good.
His touch today was extremely bad, at times he just needed to shift the ball rather than be goaded into a contest with Gueye.
This is the point.
I'm not using his price-tag to criticize him, but it's pretty clear that paying that much he was expected to be the main man - and he's not.
But he is good!
Arguing that he will be a problem if he's the "main man" but we can match Juve's success if he isn't would be a waste of everyone's time. I didn't watch him much at Juve but he was, by all accounts, a key player during a great season. So that bodes well. I've been disappointed with him at United so far but he's young and clearly capable of improving. That'll do for now.
His worst game for us I think. Nothing came off for him.
It was a scrappy game though. He has been brilliant for 5 or 6 gamed on the trot so he was due a bad one.
I've never doubted him. He will boss spurs.
It was a scrappy game though. He has been brilliant for 5 or 6 gamed on the trot so he was due a bad one.
I've never doubted him. He will boss spurs.
He's not playing for us this season like he was for Juventus. This season he has been very inconsistent and wouldn't have a right to play ahead of any of the midfielders at the current top teams. If he wants to play in an advanced three, he needs to perform much better than he is.
One thing I've noticed, the guy can't tackle, in fact, it's not the fact he can't tackle, he won't even try to tackle.
That's the main thing that frustrates me, that and the fact he seems to have abandoned any sort of sensible passing that made him good in the first place. I wish someone would grab him by the neck and tell him to stop trying all the stupid tricks.
That's the main thing that frustrates me, that and the fact he seems to have abandoned any sort of sensible passing that made him good in the first place. I wish someone would grab him by the neck and tell him to stop trying all the stupid tricks.
I'd be willing to wager that if he was at another "top team" he'd be playing a lot better.
Why are we splitting hairs about this "main man" thing? All that matters is whether he's good enough to be a starter in a team that competes on all fronts. He's done it once before and hopefully can again.
Depends which top team.
If it was a top[ team with better players than him, he'd look much better. But another team where he's pretty much the best player? probably not.
This is such a ridiculous argument...
Because it means that arguably three or four midfielders/forwards of £50-90 million quality will be needed before the team is actually good enough and Pogba is genuinely useful.
Eh? All it means is that we need a team full of very good players to meet our goals.
Well, duh...
Pogba's either good enough or he isn't. The main man bollox is meaningless.
Thought he was decent? Worst game in the past month, but still solid. Some good pieces of play, sometimes Gueye got the better of him, the last 10 minutes it was him probably showing the most composure of everyone. The only annoying thing with him is when he tries to dribble past too many players on his own and just runs into dead ends. When he cuts that out, he'll be much better I think.
Exactly.
He defended well enough, but his attacking play was shocking today. His worst match for us by far imo.
Still, calling him shite is daft though, because hes shown he is clearly not
He's surrounded by the likes of Ibrahimovic, Mata, Herrera, Mkhitaryan and Martial, all of whom cost millions of pounds themselves. These are bloody good players.So, given that Rakitic won the treble with Barca, he's worth a world record transfer? That's crazy. Pogba isn't supposed to be just good enough to start for United. He's supposed to make a big difference. Good enough are supposed to be the likes of Herrera, Mata, Valencia, etc. The expectations with Pogba are completely different.
The money is spent. Arguing about exactly what we should have paid for him is as stupid as the "main man" tangent.
I agree, this 'main man' thing is pointless in a team, well, I suppose unless you are Messi or Ronaldo perhaps, but he isn't...he's part of a team, young, has come from a league that has a totally different pace to it and even in that league took time to adjust. He obviously has a natural talent and his price tag shouldn't be taken into account at this stage since, to be honest, in this day and age it's a bit irrelevant. He didn't play particularly well today, but he's shown over the last few weeks that he's adapting more and more to the pace of the Premier League. 'Main man' is a football jingo phrase that allows people to lay the blame at an individual players feet.
I don't particularly care if he is the main man or not, I just want the team to play well.
At the same time, saying he actually can't be that main guy seems like a lowering of expectations to me. Whatever he does or doesn't turn out to be, we shouldn't place false ceilings on what we expect from him at this point.
Putting a definite ceiling on any 23 year old is q bit silly tbh. As for doing that with a 23 year old who has already acheived so much, well...
Abject performance today. Everyone has them now and again, but he should have been taken off
If a club has smashed their transfer record for a player, you'd expect him to be a player who leads and who elevates the level of those around him. Not a player who needs to be led, or needs four or five equally/more talented players in order to play well.
You can buy such players without breaking transfer records.
The positive is that the only thing he lacks is decision making. This almost always improves with age.
Everything else needed to be a top midfielder, the stuff that needs to be innate, is in place.
Everything else needed to be a top midfielder, the stuff that needs to be innate, is in place.
I'm more concerned that we blow so much money on players without knowing what their best position is. It happened with Fellaini, di Maria, Martial (to a lesser extent), and now Pogba. Really shows a lack of proactive squad planning.
wait...isn't he being played in his best position?
We know Martial and Pogba's best positions. Getting the best out of them consistently is the next thing.
Maybe it's not a matter of position so much as his specific role.
No-one argues abou the money. But the transfer sum is closely related to the expectations. Why break the world record for a player who is expected to be just good enough to start for United?That would be beyond daft. People are justified to expect much more from Pogba. They expect him to run games and dominate the opposition, not to be one of the many good enough to start players.
He is.
Could it be tiredness after Euro's? The weekends rest didn't help enough it seem.
Was on fire recently, but thought he was really poor. Nothing came off for him. He over-complicated simple things again far too many times.
At a club like United that's the expectation for all our first-choice central midfielders. That's what we expected from Keane, Scholes and Carrick. An expectation they all met, to a greater or lesser extent. The same expectation applies to Pogba, obviously. Nobody is saying he's a squad player ffs.
Herrera is useless going forward, good player though, needs to be Pogba beside Carrick OR Herrera..and then Mata as number 10.
Ok so Pogba Carrick maybe too attacking for away games, but that is what Barca, Madrid etc would play, instead United are too conservative and have lost all of our arrogance...look at our tactics when we go a goal ahead, we want to soak up the pressure rather than scoring more
Ok so Pogba Carrick maybe too attacking for away games, but that is what Barca, Madrid etc would play, instead United are too conservative and have lost all of our arrogance...look at our tactics when we go a goal ahead, we want to soak up the pressure rather than scoring more
It's concerning that we looked better without him on Wednesday. It wasn't quite a full strength West Ham side, but not that far off. But we looked more cohesive, everyone knew their role and played it well. Pogba doesn't seem to play a position, but is given freedom to roam and do what he wants. He's often very good at it, and he works hard off the ball most of the time, but it's difficult to shore-up and protect a lead when you've got a player who is just ambling around. In certain games, such as an away game to a hard pressing Everton side, perhaps we need to be a bit more rigid, especially if the tactic is to see out a 1-0 win. Pogba certainly doesn't help in that respect, as his pass% is often poor.
I like him a lot, and there's little doubt he is an excellent player, but he should have come off after around 70 minutes. We needed to keep the ball and take the sting out of the game, but he kept giving it away and then not really tracking anyone when Everton had the ball. The draw wasn't really his fault directly, and he didn't particularly do anything wrong, but tactically, he doesn't seem to fit in to a sitting back and absorbing pressure game plan. I'd rather we not play that way anyway, but if we do, then he probably needs to be hooked. I think even BLind could come on, sit next to Carrick and just play the ball quickly and keep possession with us.
I like him a lot, and there's little doubt he is an excellent player, but he should have come off after around 70 minutes. We needed to keep the ball and take the sting out of the game, but he kept giving it away and then not really tracking anyone when Everton had the ball. The draw wasn't really his fault directly, and he didn't particularly do anything wrong, but tactically, he doesn't seem to fit in to a sitting back and absorbing pressure game plan. I'd rather we not play that way anyway, but if we do, then he probably needs to be hooked. I think even BLind could come on, sit next to Carrick and just play the ball quickly and keep possession with us.
So his lack of decision making and tendancy to overcomplicate things in the middle of the park would suddenly disappear if he were playing for say, Arsenal?
No, but his side would be winning games, therefore reducing the level of criticism attributed to his performances. Pogba was widely lauded at Juventus in a side that won games. What's the difference? Has he suddenly developed bad habits having moved to Manchester?
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