Patrick Dorgu | Medical today? No. Weekend.

The problem with us EPL clubs supporters is that we believe that football starts and ends in the EPL. 40m euros (ie the sum Lecce is insisting on) might look normal in the EPL but its certainly not anywhere else. If you take for example the Serie A 24/25 summer transfer window there was just 4 transfers who broke the 40m euros mark. Two of which went out of the Serie A ie Calafiori and Zirkzee. 40m is a ridiculous sum of money for these clubs. Its more than what the likes of Milan, Lazio or Atalanta had spent as net budget. We shouldn't allow these clubs to take us to the cleaners.

We haven’t paid 40m Euros for him though, they were demanding a similar fee for Hjulmand, they didn’t get it then and I very much doubt we will pay that either.

It’s just a really strange transfer for so many people to be so obsessed by a fee that in all likelihood won’t even pay.

In the summer he’d likely to be easier to get for a better price but if we want him this window he’ll cost slightly more, on the plus side it gives him time to settle before next season.

City have just paid £33m plus add ons for a players that cost less than £100k 18 months ago so the fee involved here doesn’t make Utd look clueless.
 
His cost would have already been amortized in the books from the beginning of season 1 to the beginning of season 6. You cannot backdate and stretch the amortization.

Edit: Also, Danny is right. The PL closed the Chelsea loophole by allowing amortizations to be strechedd only for 5 years/the length of the contract, whichever is shorter.
Appears I was correct on this one.

From the Athletic article this morning:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/60...eruk&utm_campaign=twitterfc&utm_medium=social

Triggering the extension in Harry Maguire’s contract will also give United a little extra wiggle room in their PSR calculations, reducing the annual amortisation charge of his hefty £80m transfer fee in the accounts.
 
We haven’t paid 40m Euros for him though, they were demanding a similar fee for Hjulmand, they didn’t get it then and I very much doubt we will pay that either.

It’s just a really strange transfer for so many people to be so obsessed by a fee that in all likelihood won’t even pay.

In the summer he’d likely to be easier to get for a better price but if we want him this window he’ll cost slightly more, on the plus side it gives him time to settle before next season.

City have just paid £33m plus add ons for a players that cost less than £100k 18 months ago so the fee involved here doesn’t make Utd look clueless.

Even at 35m he'd be one of the most expensive Serie A transfers in the past year or so. Regarding next summer Lecce would probably work hard to find suitable suitors for Dorgu so they'll have a lovely auction for him.

If we want clubs to take us seriously then we must stop selling on the cheap and we must stop buying at inflated prices. It's also time we engage in the dark arts of transfer dealing as well. For example we should be bidding for a number of players (loans or transfers) and we make it obvious to Dorgu that its now or never. Let's see how Dorgu would react at Lecce ruining him the move of a lifetime.
 
He's been touted for a move to a top club for a while, also reported to be on Liverpool's shortlist to replace Robertson.

There's a weird tone in this thread that makes it sound like he's some random punt, rather than a fairly highly rated young player who was expected to move to a big club this year.
It's probably because our transfers over the last decade have largely been total failures. I don't think we have confidence.

It does feel like if we signed Bellingham, vinny jnr and Costa the keeper from porto all three of them would turn into crap as soon as they put a united shirt on.
 
I’m still astounded at the rate that people have written him off, despite countless times a player looks good on video and there will be posts saying “yeah but anyone can look good on video, let’s wait and see how he performs for us” - & this guy is literally completely being written off as shite before he has kicked a ball.

CAF: We must sign more hidden gems, no one has ever heard of!

Also the CAF: No one has heard of this guy, he must be shite! We need a well known proven player!
It’s the worst part of the CAF, people with zero knowledge of the player reiterate what they saw in the first page of the thread, and the take just sticks.

Dorgu is very good on the ball, he gets a license with the ball that his teammates don’t get.

Dorgu is lightening fast, and has a great combination of pace and power, but people have just written him off as the next Dan James.

Dorgu is so important to his team that they literally change his position depending on what the game plan is. He plays at fullback to cover tough matchups, and gets the creative license to play higher up where he has the ability to create chances.

He is very highly rated across Europe, and has been for at least 18 months. Liverpool and Napoli are arguably Europes two most inform clubs this season and both have been and are interested in him.
 
It’s the worst part of the CAF, people with zero knowledge of the player reiterate what they saw in the first page of the thread, and the take just sticks.

Dorgu is very good on the ball, he gets a license with the ball that his teammates don’t get.

Dorgu is lightening fast, and has a great combination of pace and power, but people have just written him off as the next Dan James.

Dorgu is so important to his team that they literally change his position depending on what the game plan is. He plays at fullback to cover tough matchups, and gets the creative license to play higher up where he has the ability to create chances.

He is very highly rated across Europe, and has been for at least 18 months. Liverpool and Napoli are arguably Europes two most inform clubs this season and both have been and are interested in him.
For me it’s a combination of reticence from previous buys being underwhelming to say the least, being a young player and having to listen to ‘he needs time to adapt’ to the PL and the potential cost of buying a relatively unknown player (to me anyway) from a lower table team in Seria A.

Now if we were in a strong position then no worries but all our next 5/6 transfers need to be spot on and deliver straight away.
 
Wan Bissaka to West Ham 15m

McTominay to Napoli 25m

Both players who we were trying to get rid of hence the fees. Do you want us to be signing players that struggling teams don't want?

Honestly this thread is one of the most bizarre ones I've come across. People saying we should be spending 5-10 million on someone we actually expect to start in our first team.
 
I expect United to get this done after watching him a lot.

We desperately need to remove Dalot from the left wing back role. Dorgu has so much pace and agility while being quite tall as well, he looks like he'll take to the PL easily, not something you could say for Malacia, who had some trickery but not enough. 22 is a good age.

Dorgu is also very good at RWB so we can switch and change tactics. I see him very much like an enabler like a fit Luke Shaw was for us in periods. Allows us to push further forward quickly, good one touch and turning quickly up the pitch, he's very good at cross field passes, not shy of cutting inside or out around the 18 yard box or trying through balls. Good low crossing, one weakness is high crosses but we don't have anyone to head really, they want low balls and he can provide cut backs or just incisive low balls across or to the back post.

When you see Quenda at Sporting, Dorgu can be him on either side.

We could even rotate Maz and Dalot as right wing back as they look tired now. Dalot is better at playing an advanced right back role.

Dorgu is not elite but could really get us moving and offer an extra man high up to help bring others in. Dalot and Maz are simply not working. Garnacho would probably be on his limit and burned out in 5 games trying to do what Dorgu can up and down.
 
Saw a clip of his last 13 defensive 1v1. He lost 9, fouled twice and won 2. He looked really lost defensive and his clips offensively look just as bad.
 
I’m still astounded at the rate that people have written him off, despite countless times a player looks good on video and there will be posts saying “yeah but anyone can look good on video, let’s wait and see how he performs for us” - & this guy is literally completely being written off as shite before he has kicked a ball.

CAF: We must sign more hidden gems, no one has ever heard of!

Also the CAF: No one has heard of this guy, he must be shite! We need a well known proven player!
Is this not the opposite of what's happening. People are looking at the videos and having been burned by the likes of Antony, Hojlund comp tapes in the past etc are cautious about paying a lot of money for Dorgu.

The thing about hidden gems is they're not supposed to cost €40mn. Dorgu looks good but wouldn't say he's pulling up trees and his attacking numbers on fbref etc are skewed by him playing as an attacker. His passing/build up numbers look really poor and the danger is that we're paying a premium for a player who's ceiling will be the same as the players we currently have but we're paying a premium because he's young.
 
Never seen or even heard of this guy before. Just hope he’s far better than what we have in this position right now. We need a starter in that position, not a backup.
 
It’s the worst part of the CAF, people with zero knowledge of the player reiterate what they saw in the first page of the thread, and the take just sticks.

Dorgu is very good on the ball, he gets a license with the ball that his teammates don’t get.

Dorgu is lightening fast, and has a great combination of pace and power, but people have just written him off as the next Dan James.

Dorgu is so important to his team that they literally change his position depending on what the game plan is. He plays at fullback to cover tough matchups, and gets the creative license to play higher up where he has the ability to create chances.

He is very highly rated across Europe, and has been for at least 18 months. Liverpool and Napoli are arguably Europes two most inform clubs this season and both have been and are interested in him.
The only post you need to read on this sub.
 
For me it’s a combination of reticence from previous buys being underwhelming to say the least, being a young player and having to listen to ‘he needs time to adapt’ to the PL and the potential cost of buying a relatively unknown player (to me anyway) from a lower table team in Seria A.

Now if we were in a strong position then no worries but all our next 5/6 transfers need to be spot on and deliver straight away.
This argument is flawed. It's not about being PL-proven. Just ask Mason Mount.
It's about adapting to United. And so far, very few has done that succesfully both in short and long term.
 
Saw a clip of his last 13 defensive 1v1. He lost 9, fouled twice and won 2. He looked really lost defensive and his clips offensively look just as bad.
In fairness, I did see someone on twitter call this video as being bullshit. Apparently, the makers of these videos just cherry pick particularly poor 1v1s and its not actually the last 13 or whatever. Remember seeing a similar video for Yoro that did the rounds after we'd signed him and started getting panicky.
 
Genuinely so excited about a potential deal happening. It's exactly the sort of transfer I want us to make. Can't be arsed with high profile expensive players.
 
Wan Bissaka to West Ham 15m

McTominay to Napoli 25m
I meant going from small club to big club. Obviously of you go from big club to small club having failed you are going to be cheaper. I really do dispair at the general intelligence level of some people.

Next you are going to say napoli is not a small club. They are smaller and less rich than united.
 
For me it’s a combination of reticence from previous buys being underwhelming to say the least, being a young player and having to listen to ‘he needs time to adapt’ to the PL and the potential cost of buying a relatively unknown player (to me anyway) from a lower table team in Seria A.

Now if we were in a strong position then no worries but all our next 5/6 transfers need to be spot on and deliver straight away.

We’re not getting 5/6 players that deliver straight away, I don’t think anyone ever does. We couldn’t even afford them if they were offered to us.

None of us have any idea if Dorgu will be any good or not but we need to spread our money around on players. Some might pay off now, some might take a year or even a few years like Amad and others will fail.

We are seeing an attempt to try and move the team forward in the short and longer term, it’s is going to take time and everyone is going to have to get the head round the fact that it’s going to take time.
 
I expect United to get this done after watching him a lot.

We desperately need to remove Dalot from the left wing back role. Dorgu has so much pace and agility while being quite tall as well, he looks like he'll take to the PL easily, not something you could say for Malacia, who had some trickery but not enough. 22 is a good age.

Dorgu is also very good at RWB so we can switch and change tactics. I see him very much like an enabler like a fit Luke Shaw was for us in periods. Allows us to push further forward quickly, good one touch and turning quickly up the pitch, he's very good at cross field passes, not shy of cutting inside or out around the 18 yard box or trying through balls. Good low crossing, one weakness is high crosses but we don't have anyone to head really, they want low balls and he can provide cut backs or just incisive low balls across or to the back post.

When you see Quenda at Sporting, Dorgu can be him on either side.

We could even rotate Maz and Dalot as right wing back as they look tired now. Dalot is better at playing an advanced right back role.

Dorgu is not elite but could really get us moving and offer an extra man high up to help bring others in. Dalot and Maz are simply not working. Garnacho would probably be on his limit and burned out in 5 games trying to do what Dorgu can up and down.
To me the important bit is in bold. If we're not buying elite players, how can the team become elite? And why are we paying €40mn for sub-elite. I understand that not everyone is going to be elite but for me the role of the academy is to fill those gaps in the age of PSR.

It's not like the 90s where we can just outcompete our rivals for peak players so the only way we can get an edge is by recruiting elite talent. If he's not benchmarking favourably against wing backs at Wolves/Bournemouth, then maybe we should just wait until that player comes along.
 
Saw a clip of his last 13 defensive 1v1. He lost 9, fouled twice and won 2. He looked really lost defensive and his clips offensively look just as bad.
It's almost as though our scouting team may have based their decision on something other than a YouTube clip...
 
A quick look at his minutes in 21 games he has completed...
90 minutes (18 times)
87 mins (1 time)
45 mins (1 time but only because he got himself sent off!)

A player that can run around and not get injured...pfttt! something smells off about this transfer!
 
For me it’s a combination of reticence from previous buys being underwhelming to say the least, being a young player and having to listen to ‘he needs time to adapt’ to the PL and the potential cost of buying a relatively unknown player (to me anyway) from a lower table team in Seria A.

Now if we were in a strong position then no worries but all our next 5/6 transfers need to be spot on and deliver straight away.

That second paragraph nails things perfectly
 
To me the important bit is in bold. If we're not buying elite players, how can the team become elite? And why are we paying €40mn for sub-elite. I understand that not everyone is going to be elite but for me the role of the academy is to fill those gaps in the age of PSR.

It's not like the 90s where we can just outcompete our rivals for peak players so the only way we can get an edge is by recruiting elite talent. If he's not benchmarking favourably against wing backs at Wolves/Bournemouth, then maybe we should just wait until that player comes along.
How can we attract the required amount of ready made elite players when we're languishing in 13th and will probably not have UCL football for the second year running next year?

What is even your definition of an elite player anyway? Was Salah elite when he joined Liverpool? Palmer when he joined Chelsea? Yoro was considered an 'elite' talent, so why aren't we challenging for the title yet?

Lots of talk on here about preferring Kerkez, Ait-Nouri or Robinson, but when did they become elite? How many elite players even move clubs, let alone in January?

Just wait until that player comes along...ok, so wait for how long? What happens if that player comes along and we're still this bad? Why would they come here over somewhere else?

You don't need a team of elite players to challenge for the title and be a consistent top 4 club. Nottingham Forrest are 3rd right now, how many elite players do they have? I would argue that they actually have 0, but they have a hard working team with a good level of athleticism, clear roles, and just a small sprinkling of quality to turn tight games their way more often than not.

At the moment our squad is lacking pretty much all those things, and only probably 2 players that bring any attacking quality at all. We need to build a team that can compete physically, integrate the best graduates from Carrington, hope that Amorim is actually a good coach, get back to where we consistently compete for top 4 with the likes of Newcastle and Villa. Then, once we've done that, we can start to pull on the club's name again and start to bring the more elite players in we need to realistically win a title against the top City and (now) Liverpool sides.

Too many of you are trying to run before you can walk.
 
He's been touted for a move to a top club for a while, also reported to be on Liverpool's shortlist to replace Robertson.

There's a weird tone in this thread that makes it sound like he's some random punt, rather than a fairly highly rated young player who was expected to move to a big club this year.
Haven’t you heard? Dunning-Kruger and The Echo Chamber Parrots is the scream of all the town at the moment.
 
Is this not the opposite of what's happening. People are looking at the videos and having been burned by the likes of Antony, Hojlund comp tapes in the past etc are cautious about paying a lot of money for Dorgu.

The thing about hidden gems is they're not supposed to cost €40mn. Dorgu looks good but wouldn't say he's pulling up trees and his attacking numbers on fbref etc are skewed by him playing as an attacker. His passing/build up numbers look really poor and the danger is that we're paying a premium for a player who's ceiling will be the same as the players we currently have but we're paying a premium because he's young.
Exactly, so if they’re saying don’t pay too much attention to the good videos and wait till they’re on the pitch then the same level of hope shall we say should be attributed to the bad videos, because we shouldn’t pay attention to compilation videos because neither version shows the true quality of a player, but here we have posters on here writing him off based on them
 
This looks like it will be done soon.

But for the love of all that is red, our ownership really has to get Ruben at least one more signing.
 
Exactly, so if they’re saying don’t pay too much attention to the good videos and wait till they’re on the pitch then the same level of hope shall we say should be attributed to the bad videos, because we shouldn’t pay attention to compilation videos because neither version shows the true quality of a player, but here we have posters on here writing him off based on them
I think if a guy is looking average in his hype videos, it's natural to be sceptical especially if its the basics that look off (trapping a ball quickly, passing accurately, crossing) but I'm in danger here of over-egging the pudding. Really wouldn't mind the transfer if it was at the right price but I think paying €40mn for a guy in a poor team in a league where the translation to premiership is questionable at best and when the market is only valuing Garnacho at €50mn is not clever business. Udogie to my eyes looked a much more complete player and cost €25mn at the same age.
 
£25m-£30m isn’t much these days.

Footballers are more expensive and a £30m player back in the day is now a £50m - £60m player in todays world
I think, as has been said by others, it's a lot of money especially in the FB/WB positions. I just hope we have done the scouting and we are pretty sure that he can contribute now and has a big upside. €40m shouldn't be a fee that could ruin our plans as it would be written down in €8m tranches for PSR but it would be infuriating to get this one wrong again.
The real concern is the amount of people who watch him regularly who say he’s really raw. Hidden gems are good but for £30m-£40m we can probably expect more than a full back who is fairly unanimously deemed as quite a way off being ready, if ever. I’ve heard that from Danish people and those who frequently watch Serie A.

I realise that he’s being considered more in the winger profile than full back so understand that affects the perception of value.

United can’t afford to get any signings over £20m wrong anymore. I’d rather no one for now than more deadwood.
I think the fact that his coach uses him as such a tactical weapon for them, varying his role according to opponents speaks a lot about his talent, his importance to them, versatility and intelligence. Add that to the athletic profile then that's the makings of someone who can become a top player down the line.
Is this not the opposite of what's happening. People are looking at the videos and having been burned by the likes of Antony, Hojlund comp tapes in the past etc are cautious about paying a lot of money for Dorgu.

The thing about hidden gems is they're not supposed to cost €40mn. Dorgu looks good but wouldn't say he's pulling up trees and his attacking numbers on fbref etc are skewed by him playing as an attacker. His passing/build up numbers look really poor and the danger is that we're paying a premium for a player who's ceiling will be the same as the players we currently have but we're paying a premium because he's young.
When us, Liverpool, Spurs, Napoli and Milan are linked with a move for a player then he isn't a hidden gem. Scouts from all those clubs can't all be wrong, surely.
 

Eurgh, comment section alone is full of deluded idiots.
This guy is a tool. His content is very repetitive and all he does is arrogantly dismiss any commenters that disagree with him. Unsubscribed a long time ago as there are much better YT analysts for Utd out there that aren’t so rude and disrespectful to their followers.
 
How can we attract the required amount of ready made elite players when we're languishing in 13th and will probably not have UCL football for the second year running next year?

What is even your definition of an elite player anyway? Was Salah elite when he joined Liverpool? Palmer when he joined Chelsea? Yoro was considered an 'elite' talent, so why aren't we challenging for the title yet?

Lots of talk on here about preferring Kerkez, Ait-Nouri or Robinson, but when did they become elite? How many elite players even move clubs, let alone in January?

Just wait until that player comes along...ok, so wait for how long? What happens if that player comes along and we're still this bad? Why would they come here over somewhere else?

You don't need a team of elite players to challenge for the title and be a consistent top 4 club. Nottingham Forrest are 3rd right now, how many elite players do they have? I would argue that they actually have 0, but they have a hard working team with a good level of athleticism, clear roles, and just a small sprinkling of quality to turn tight games their way more often than not.

At the moment our squad is lacking pretty much all those things, and only probably 2 players that bring any attacking quality at all. We need to build a team that can compete physically, integrate the best graduates from Carrington, hope that Amorim is actually a good coach, get back to where we consistently compete for top 4 with the likes of Newcastle and Villa. Then, once we've done that, we can start to pull on the club's name again and start to bring the more elite players in we need to realistically win a title against the top City and (now) Liverpool sides.

Too many of you are trying to run before you can walk.
1: We can attract elite players because we pay elite wages, It's why most players move.
2: Someone whose performing at an elite level statistically for their position, so yes Salah was elite when he joined Liverpool by that metric.
3: Yoro is an elite young CB. His performances are compared to other players his age along with knowing what other elite young CB's performed like at a similar age. If you're seriously asking why United aren't challenging yet because we signed an elite young CB then I don't know what to say.
4: Ait Nouri became elite when he ranked as the #1 full back in the premier league for dribbles and in the 97th percentile in europes top 5 leagues, he's also in the 95th percentile for non penalty goals/ 86th percentile for assists/ 86th for pass completion/ 77 for progressive carries and I could go on and on about him or Robinson.

The irony of your post is that Liverpool signed Salah specifically because they were committed to using a data based approach to transfers, same thing with VVD/Mane etc. The Liverpool director of football research has literally written a book called "how to win the premier league" which goes into great detail.

The reason United are so bad at transfers is because instead of using a data based approach we have bro science and vibes. Earlier someone said that Ait Nouri wouldn't be a good buy because "his frame was too skinny".

The problem with Rasmus isn't that he's too skinny, it's that he's just not very good technically. Which show up in all of his numbers. Anyone who looked at the data on Anthony could have seen he wasn't worth remotely what we paid for him.

Virgil Van Dijk was statistically the #1 centre back in the premier league his first season at Southampton and it wasn't even close, he was miles ahead of anyone. But the bro science crowd didn't care.

In order for United to get back to the top they'll need to move as far away from all the bro science nonsense as they possibly can.
 
It's gone quiet on this now. It doesn't look like Lecce are playing ball with the kid. Looks like the chance to play for United is slipping away.