£25m-£30m isn’t much these days.
Footballers are more expensive and a £30m player back in the day is now a £50m - £60m player in todays world
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Footballers are more expensive and a £30m player back in the day is now a £50m - £60m player in todays world
It is for a 20 year old with such few minutes who is still a raw talent.
Brighton bought barco for 10m eur , loaned him for some experience.
And Brentford just signed the young Italian full back Kayode who’s apparently one of the top prospects in Europe for an Initial loan and 16m in the summer
Doesn’t sit right with me this price. Around 35m when we’re probably going to get 50m for Garnacho seems ridiculous
Definitely. Either dorgu is going to be immense or we are punting for the 100th time.
Feels a bit like another Malacia, and look how that turned out.
Our scouting department seem highly suspect, £30-40m on a raw talent seems quite a risk. We need to make every transfer count.
Our scouting department seem highly suspect, £30-40m on a raw talent seems quite a risk. We need to make every transfer count.
The real concern is the amount of people who watch him regularly who say he’s really raw. Hidden gems are good but for £30m-£40m we can probably expect more than a full back who is fairly unanimously deemed as quite a way off being ready, if ever. I’ve heard that from Danish people and those who frequently watch Serie A.
I realise that he’s being considered more in the winger profile than full back so understand that affects the perception of value.
United can’t afford to get any signings over £20m wrong anymore. I’d rather no one for now than more deadwood.
I realise that he’s being considered more in the winger profile than full back so understand that affects the perception of value.
United can’t afford to get any signings over £20m wrong anymore. I’d rather no one for now than more deadwood.
Oh I know, that is completely fair. But when we are listening to how tenuous our finances are, is the amount of money worth it etc. It's just a concern. Other clubs seem to spend money more wisely in general. We seem to get fleeced and from this guys highlights it's hard not to think we are getting fleeced again.
I don't know anything about Dorgu, so I can't tell if that's a typically inflated fee for the privilege of United getting a player. But with AWB I think he had three clear deficiencies: 1) technical non-ability 2) positioning 3) jogging back. The best tackler I've seen at the club (including Wes Brown) but he was nowhere near worth the money paid for him.
This transfer excites me about as much as Amorim’s 5-2-3.
What Lecce are reported to be asking for from us is in line with the fees they were previously reported to be asking for from other clubs. For example:
So whatever about what he's worth, there doesn't seem to be any United-specific price inflation in terms of what Lecce are actually asking for. Particularly given we're trying to buy him mid-season.
I don’t entirely disagree with your diagnosis of AwB. I just think Dorgu is a bad fit for similar, albeit not precisely the same, reasons. It was a loose comparison, which I tried to say when I posted my original comment.
Please don’t post them here
Yeah I have to say I think this would be a mistake. Much rather we pay half that and get Alvaro back, who I believe has a much higher ceiling.
He posts here, they are pulling your leg.
He used to, he’s banned
I think it's already been pointed out on here, but because of how PSR works then both Alvaro back will have a more negative financial impact than you think.
Expecting him to come in at WB in the EPL and recreate his form for one of the most dominant teams in the Portuguese League, which isn't a particularly high standard, is also a fallacy.
Conflictd with the Romano tweet given recently to say that only a bigger offer this window would make them willing to let go, citing that amount at 40m euros.
I'm just glad to see other clubs have been and are in for him, clearly has something about him and its not just a panic signing from us.
Not claiming to be an expert on Dorgu but he’s a “dog of war” type. He’s not silky, he’s not a baller unlike Carreras but he can run all day, can tackle, can pass reasonably well, can cross, can finish and can head the ball, high workrate as well as play multiple positions. Exactly the profile that Rangnick says that we missed.
So whether we buy him or someone completely different I’m gonna wait and see how they fit in
So whether we buy him or someone completely different I’m gonna wait and see how they fit in
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Robinson, MBeumo and Semenyo have all been among the better players in the league this season, all were signed for considerably less than £30 million. Bowen, Iwobi, Eze, Gibbs-White, Damsgaard, Murillo, Munoz, Ndiaye, all doing well this season and most of them cost a fair bit less than £30 million. Huijsen, Tielemans, Kulusevski, Mitoma, Hudson-Odoi, Morgan Rogers, Lacroix, Wissa, Nathan Collins, Ola Aina, Dango Outtara, Tavernier, Baleba, Lewis Cook
Joao Pedro was just under at around £28 million
By this point ive listed 25 of the top performing premier league players this season out of the top 62 according to whoscored who didnt cost £30 million or over and a lot of them were a lot less.
If every good player cost £30 million two thirds of the premier league clubs would be declaring bankruptcy
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Fair enough mate. I just never got over AWB jogging back
Fair enough. I thought it was the United tax.
Quite honestly I am absolutely flabbergasted at the numbers quoted here. I have no idea how good that player is and he might be a fantastic prospect, but how do you end up paying 30-40m€ for a 20 year old who moved from Nordsjaelland youth to US Lecce for 200k 18 months ago?
What's the point of buying random young talents from minor Serie A clubs when you end up paying fees that correspond to top player transfer sums? It's fecking crazy. If we want to take a punt on a talent, buy a talent for 5-10m.
What's the point of buying random young talents from minor Serie A clubs when you end up paying fees that correspond to top player transfer sums? It's fecking crazy. If we want to take a punt on a talent, buy a talent for 5-10m.
Oh damn he's been really banned, can't even find his profile
This is exactly how... Nevermind
Random academy players who zero first team football cost £20m in this age. This guy is playing in Serie A as a first team and is an international. He's not going for £5-10m especially for a team battling relegation would have no upside. The trick is to obviously identify them earlier and get them right. Haven't heard many complaints about Amad's price tag recently for example.
I understand your sentiment but who? in an ideal world we would be looking to spend less and potentially get more but where are these players in the January window?
Even if we went to the Championship or the Belgian league, or heaven forbid the Dutch league, we are still going to pay over double because we are Utd, we are desperate and it is january.
Correct. We sold McTominay, prem proven goalscorer for around 30, Wan Bissaka was like 15?
Why was he banned?
It doesnt matter how much you bought a player for. Once they are proven, the price increases. A prem proven player starts at 30-40m these days. Even if they were bought for 5m 2 years ago.
Serie A proven who knows, 15 to 20m?
Theres plenty of good players around for 10m-30m, you just need some decent scouts to identify them.
Spurs got Kulusevski and Bentancur for about 40m, Vicario 12m. Udogie similar. Milenkovic was cheap. That Kayode guy going to Brentord is a bargain.
Second-most fouled player in Serie A on 52. Kvaratskhelia only got fouled 33 times, the joker.
The problem with us EPL clubs supporters is that we believe that football starts and ends in the EPL. 40m euros (ie the sum Lecce is insisting on) might look normal in the EPL but its certainly not anywhere else. If you take for example the Serie A 24/25 summer transfer window there was just 4 transfers who broke the 40m euros mark. Two of which went out of the Serie A ie Calafiori and Zirkzee. 40m is a ridiculous sum of money for these clubs. Its more than what the likes of Milan, Lazio or Atalanta had spent as net budget. We shouldn't allow these clubs to take us to the cleaners.
Why do these counter offers take so long in general? Do they just get dejected after each rejection and then emotionally retreat for a few days?
A large part of that was the wage disparity. Maybe more so for AWB. He's gone there and is still one of their top warmers.
We're also just not very good at selling players. We normally do it at the wrong time and from a position of weakness
He's been touted for a move to a top club for a while, also reported to be on Liverpool's shortlist to replace Robertson.
There's a weird tone in this thread that makes it sound like he's some random punt, rather than a fairly highly rated young player who was expected to move to a big club this year.
Why are we targeting another kid ? We need someone to come in and deliver right now.