Patrick Dorgu | Signed for £25.2m + £4.2m in potential add-ons, until 2030

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its a 30mEUR fee is it? For a left back that has hardly any experience and looks like he's still quite raw. I'm sure you amortize other fullbacks to make them sound pretty in price per year, but it doesnt change the fact that this is flat out *not* a relatively low cost on the books to what you see in the market.
Agree to disagree. This is pretty low risk due to the relatively low cost, low wages and age and potential of the player, he would be easily sellable if it didn't work out in 2/3 years time.
 
Agree to disagree. This is pretty low risk due to the relatively low cost, low wages and age and potential of the player, he would be easily sellable if it didn't work out in 2/3 years time.
How can we agree to disagree on something objective? Malacia was the same and half the fee.
30m EUR for a fullback of that experience is not "relatively low". Happy to move on nonetheless.
 
Ah right I see. I have only had a cursory look at the rules. I thought it was a max of 5 years of contract PSR would apply to?

Thanks for explaining. I don't particularly like how signing an overpaid player for another year actually helps but you have to cook the books.
PSR regulations aren't retrospective so because Maguire signed a 6+1 deal in 2019 I think that's why is has worked out for us. There was £13 million left on the books for Maguire and by triggering the extension we spread it out over two years instead of one basically. Saving us roughly £6.5 million this year in the PSR calculations.

I'm no expert thought and that specific part (about the 5 year limit) is still a little unclear to me. I've seen conflicting things on it but it would make sense if that is the case considering the Dorgu deal isn't dependant on Garnacho and Antony wouldn't account for the amount needed to be freed up.
 
its a 30mEUR fee is it? For a left back that has hardly any experience and looks like he's still quite raw. I'm sure you amortize other fullbacks to make them sound pretty in price per year, but it doesnt change the fact that this is flat out *not* a relatively low cost on the books to what you see in the market.

Bournemouth paid around 20mEUR for Kerkez and he came from AZ Alkmaar. Arsenal paid 45mEUR for Calafiori.

It's about the right kind of valuation especially given we're paying mid season.
 
Bournemouth paid around 20mEUR for Kerkez and he came from AZ Alkmaar. Arsenal paid 45mEUR for Calafiori.

It's about the right kind of valuation especially given we're paying mid season.
Can't really compare that, he played for Italy at the euros
 
How can we agree to disagree on something objective? Malacia was the same and half the fee.
30m EUR for a fullback of that experience is not "relatively low". Happy to move on nonetheless.
I've just explained my logic behind it being low-cost. There are other equivalent signings at or around that value. Also have to add on some leeway because it's a January deal.
 
How can we agree to disagree on something objective? Malacia was the same and half the fee.
30m EUR for a fullback of that experience is not "relatively low". Happy to move on nonetheless.

But it's obviously not objective. Because player quality is the single biggest driver of player value, and that comes down to subjective assessment.

Malacia being a similar age with similar experience doesn't mean everyone has to pretend Dorgu is only as good as Malacia when they decide to place a value on him.
 
its a 30mEUR fee is it? For a left back that has hardly any experience and looks like he's still quite raw. I'm sure you amortize other fullbacks to make them sound pretty in price per year, but it doesnt change the fact that this is flat out *not* a relatively low cost on the books to what you see in the market.

This is like the fast fashion people counting cost per wear on their new shirt
 
How can we agree to disagree on something objective? Malacia was the same and half the fee.
30m EUR for a fullback of that experience is not "relatively low". Happy to move on nonetheless.

Yes it is, hope that helps. At €30 million he's significantly cheaper than what we paid for Wan Bissaka, a bit cheaper than Shaw and about equal adjusted for the likes of Phil Jones.

Fact is at the cost if he fails we'll sell for a small loss. It's low risk.
 
Bournemouth paid around 20mEUR for Kerkez and he came from AZ Alkmaar. Arsenal paid 45mEUR for Calafiori.

It's about the right kind of valuation especially given we're paying mid season.
Caliafori was a much bigger talent and Italy's best player in the World Cup.
Kerkez yes 2/3rds of that fee which is broadly my point. 30m EUR is a lot for a player who is actually pretty raw.

Malacia was half that, Barco's quality looked great and he was 10m EUR, we'll see how he does when he returns from loan.

If the argument is that its because it's January then fine. But that doesnt make it relatively low cost. We are overpaying to get a player with very limited experience in January rather than at end-of-season where his true value will be reflected in the transfer fee.

Romano said himself that it would take a big offer to make him leave in January - in other words we'd have to pay over the odds.
But it's obviously not objective. Because player quality is the single biggest driver of player value, and that comes down to subjective assessment.

Malacia being a similar age with similar experience doesn't mean everyone has to pretend Dorgu is only as good as Malacia when they decide to place a value on him.
You can compare across other full backs who are at a similar bracket of quality though, and still come to the same conclusion.
 
Ignoring PSR were clearly skint and am surprised this is happen. I am also not complaining…
 
The fee is mostly fine. Whatever. If it is a fee that leads to us needing to sell more academy talents that shouldn't be leaving, then it's a problem, but that's never a situation I thought we have before so who knows.

Glad to be getting a left back. Hopefully he's ready to contribute right away
 
Caliafori was a much bigger talent and Italy's best player in the World Cup.
Kerkez yes 2/3rds of that fee which is broadly my point. 30m EUR is a lot for a player who is actually pretty raw.

Malacia was half that, Barco's quality looked great and he was 10m EUR, we'll see how he does when he returns from loan.

If the argument is that its because it's January then fine. But that doesnt make it relatively low cost. We are overpaying to get a player with very limited experience in January rather than at end-of-season where his true value will be reflected in the transfer fee.

Romano said himself that it would take a big offer to make him leave in January - in other words we'd have to pay over the odds.

You can compare across other full backs who are at a similar bracket of quality though, and still come to the same conclusion.
Barco had a release clause at Boca. He was also not ready to play in England when they bought him.

Dorgu is being bought now to make an impact in the first team immediately.
 
Barco had a release clause at Boca. He was also not ready to play in England when they bought him.

Dorgu is being bought now to make an impact in the first team immediately.
Do you see him being able to do that? If we sign him, I'm of course hopeful he will, but at 20yo and from what I've seen, I have my doubts
 
Do you see him being able to do that? If we sign him, I'm of course hopeful he will, but at 20yo and from what I've seen, I have my doubts
We are spending ~£25 million on him in January on a position that we are in dire need for. He looks very solid physically and exactly the type of player and profile that we need at LWB.

I think logic would suggest that we are going to put him into the team yes.
 
Barco had a release clause at Boca. He was also not ready to play in England when they bought him.

Dorgu is being bought now to make an impact in the first team immediately.
Fine with all that but its just illustrative - Robinson was 2m, Estupinian came in for 17m EUR etc.
I actually do like Dorgu's profile in many ways but there's some qualities that I think look like he needs experience. The fact that his true value to his own club wasn't as high as what we're paying him (overpaying for the Jan window) makes me feel its a bit of a panic.
 
This looks like its going to get done soon.

Essential transfer as we basically have played the entire season without a left wingback. A position that is absolutely crucial to Amorims system.

Hopefully just by playing a natural left footer in that position it would improve us already.

Sick of seeing Dalot played out of position. Not fair to him either.

Dorgu seems raw but at least he looks physically capable of playing in the premier league.
 
What am i missing about him? Guy looks average in literally everything; defending, attacking, technique.
Are we interested (and for that price) just because he is classic wing back?
 
Fine with all that but its just illustrative - Robinson was 2m, Estupinian came in for 17m EUR etc.
I actually do like Dorgu's profile in many ways but there's some qualities that I think look like he needs experience. The fact that his true value to his own club wasn't as high as what we're paying him (overpaying for the Jan window) makes me feel its a bit of a panic.
And those suggested are fine, we just signed Diego Leon also for peanuts.

Robinson specifically, I think he had a heart issue that stopped him from moving to Milan I believe. Would explain why he was so cheap.
 
Dying on the transfer fee hill of a player most of us haven't watched play a single match from start to finish is just peak Caf.
 
Do you see him being able to do that? If we sign him, I'm of course hopeful he will, but at 20yo and from what I've seen, I have my doubts
Yes. But that's purely because he's able to provide things to the team we don't have, a left foot, the athleticism to bomb up and down the wing for 90 minutes and being pretty good and progressive carries.

The system requires the wingbacks to play a substantial role in the way we attack and progress play. We simply don't have a play that can do this at the moment.

He may not be good enough in the long run or be of the level to take us back to the top, but he absolutely improves the balance of the team straight away.
 
What am i missing about him? Guy looks average in literally everything; defending, attacking, technique.
Are we interested (and for that price) just because he is classic wing back?
Looks average in the many matches you've watched him play?
 
Very excited about this signing, will definitely add balance to the team. This is the kind of transfer if it was ETH and the boys doing it you would doubt it will work out, but with the INEOS team now there is a much higher probability he will make a difference for us.
 
Very excited about this signing, will definitely add balance to the team. This is the kind of transfer if it was ETH and the boys doing it you would doubt it will work out, but with the INEOS team now there is a much higher probability he will make a difference for us.
People keep saying that, but why?
 
Apparently a low risk purchase, not too expensive so not a big stress if it doesn't work out.

That's the spirit. Always good to buy relative unknowns instead of more expensive better players. Works out much better when they fail, which is the sign of a good transfer in my book.
 
I don't understand this transfer. We're in a bad financial shape, that we're going to sell on of our brightest talents, yet we're going to buy a left back when both Dalot and Mazraoui can play there, Shaw can play there (a couple times a season), we have Amass who's highly rated and we just spent money on that kid from South America.
 
I don't understand this transfer. We're in a bad financial shape, that we're going to sell on of our brightest talents, yet we're going to buy a left back when both Dalot and Mazraoui can play there, Shaw can play there (a couple times a season), we have Amass who's highly rated and we just spent money on that kid from South America.
We don't play with LBs any more, that's what you're forgetting.
 
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