I think he had less at this stage last season, but I was merely using the stat to try and show the role change. Anyway, I hope he receives a rest after the Tottenham game.
Patrice Evra | 2013/14 Performances
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I think he had less at this stage last season, but I was merely using the stat to try and show the role change. Anyway, I hope he receives a rest after the Tottenham game.
Probably not a popular opinion but, Spurs game might be the perfect game to give him a rest. Evra even on form has had terrible games against Spurs, especially Lennon. He is in need for a break and to me I'd consider playing Evans out there - not Buttner - to give us a good defensive performance on the left and play Fabio on the right.
Moyes hasn't had much of a chance to rest him but, wonder if he could have given him a break before this busy period. He does look like he is really struggling.
Moyes hasn't had much of a chance to rest him but, wonder if he could have given him a break before this busy period. He does look like he is really struggling.
Ye Ash, I've noticed this too. And if we do cover, there's no consistency to it. It seems bar Jones, our CMs can handle the defensive transitions well when we're not under the kosh for periods of a game. I've also noticed when teams break on us, sometimes our CMs have a hard time knowing what to do (cover space Evra has lost, track runner through midfield, pressure ball-carrier, pass off cutting lanes).
Yeah, I think for me that's our biggest problem in the middle. If we had two midfielders who could at the least just keep it solid then it would give the full backs and the attackers the right base to then to attack with less concern about being caught out and us being less focused on wide players for their defensive work rather than their attacking work. Hopefully if Fletcher comes back properly, even as a deeper player we'll get this cover, as he and Carrick know what they're doing there, with Jones and Clev it really can be a bit hit and miss in terms of positioning, Jones in fairness has excellent recovery pace. I find Clev can be the most frustrating as he will invariably end up wide for no reason and not be in a position to do anything.
Precisely and in regards to Cleverley this happened a lot against Newcastle which is why I thought he was pretty bad in terms of his positioning but it was a poor game all around from our players in fairness. The problem with the two midfield players keeping it solid is that we still want our CMs to be regularly involved higher up the pitch and we just have not found the right balance in attack or defense. It would probably be less of an issue if our wingers were in better form but perhaps their form hints to a more systematic issue with our use of the CM. There's just no consistency in that area of the pitch.
When is he gonna leave???
Poor again
Poor again
He's a footballer. What he says or does off the pitch should be of no concern to anyone. What matters is what he does on the pitch, and every week he's putting in disgraceful performances. Which other fullback gets beaten with such ease so regularly? He's absolutely appalling, wingers must relish the chance to come up against him.
To be fair, I was expecting him to be worse.
That's the most positive thing I can say about his performance.
That's the most positive thing I can say about his performance.
It was only a bit of Lennon foreplay as opposed to the usual rape he receives off him. He has no concentration whatsoever. Past it I'm afraid and we need a left back in January, it's almost as big a problem as CM.
we really need a LB to rotate with evra...criminally overplayed and it's costing us and him
We desperately need a LB this January. He's been played too much.
Great at going forward but he has been dire at defending. Need Fabio/Buttner to up their game or a new defender, Pat has got complacent as no one is competing against him.
He should be ripped to shreds for his performance today, but he's been so poor for so long that people are almost just accepting dire displays like this to be par for the course. That's almost more worrying than he is.
We desperately need a left back. It's almost gotten to the point where I'm hoping he gets sold in the summer, and I really like the guy. He's just finished at this level.
We desperately need a left back. It's almost gotten to the point where I'm hoping he gets sold in the summer, and I really like the guy. He's just finished at this level.
He is finished. We need a LB this transfer window. Buttner is not good enough and Fabio isn't gonna get a game.
If we have the money Baines, Shaw, Coentrao anyone will seriously be an improvement.
If we have the money Baines, Shaw, Coentrao anyone will seriously be an improvement.
I personally never want him to leave, he's been an absolute legend on and off the pitch.
It's hardly his fault that he's being played as often as he is at 32. It's easy to say he's past it, and while it may be true to an extent, I think that he's also knackered.
He's 32 now and is playing week in week out. He looked absolutely dead on his feet today up against Lennon. Says a lot about certain individuals that he is having to do so.
I used to think that even through out the last few years when he has been lazy as f*ck in defence.
But my patience has seemingly reached his limit.
I have been very critical of Evra recently but I also recognise just how good he is and how good he has been for us. And yes, I accept the fact that he is overused but it has to be his last season. There is no point getting what we can get out of him, we need to invest at LB. He has been great for us and will always be remembered but it's time for both him and the club to say their goodbyes unfortunately.
He's played virtually every single United match since he became a first team at the end of 06/07. Crazy.
Not right is it. If the club don't have faith in those within to do the job, we need another left-back at the end of the day. He's getting slated left, right and centre, but he shouldn't need to be played as often as he is - especially when you consider the sort of player he is.
He isn't poor, or 'past it', he is simply dead on his feet. I felt sorry for at times today because we are slowly destroying him.
I think it would be easier for him to stop trying to help when we are on the attack. When we go on the attack, his enthusiasm is brilliant, but when we lose the ball, he becomes disinterested and cannot be bothered to either enter the race or track back. If he concentrated solely on defending, then perhaps we might be more solid down the left and he wouldn't be as tired. As I said, he doesn't show his tiredness when we are on the attack, but does when he has to defend. We cannot really put up with that for much longer and either Baines or Coentrao would do.
Even in attack he was a little sloppy and usually you can't really say that about his attacking game.
Stop exaggerating. Of course it matters what a footballer says off the pitch. You want your captain to be a leader on/off the pitch. But Evra has been poor for the last month and not every week, as you put it. It's rather concerning that Evra's main problem right now is allowing players to run in behind him. He needs a rest and I suspect he'll get it against Swansea.
Much as I love Evra, he's just to capable of playing twice a week any more, especially with away European fixtures. He needs more rest, perhaps to the level of Giggs/Rio.
Tbh, it's a strange situation, I'd prefer a top young LB playing for us, who could run 120 minutes twice a week without blinking, but at the same time, I don't want Evra to ever leave. He has proper spirit, perfect Man Utd attitude, and an absolute lad too.
Oddly enough, I believe that's where Buttner is actually close to him. Heart of a United player, but sadly his talent doesn't match to the level that we're still playing Evra despite him badly needing a break.
Tbh, it's a strange situation, I'd prefer a top young LB playing for us, who could run 120 minutes twice a week without blinking, but at the same time, I don't want Evra to ever leave. He has proper spirit, perfect Man Utd attitude, and an absolute lad too.
Oddly enough, I believe that's where Buttner is actually close to him. Heart of a United player, but sadly his talent doesn't match to the level that we're still playing Evra despite him badly needing a break.
A proper rest for him is good for us. At 32, he ain't exactly old or ancient. He played throughout the Christmas period and he has to march up and down the pitch. By no mean , he is not a robot. Give Fabio a run in is all i hope for.
The club is to blame for his poor form. Aside from how we have ridiculously overplayed him he's also had the whole France nonsense to contend with since the WC as well as the whole Suarez issue. He's probably tired both physically and mentally and it's showing on the pitch. Give him a holiday on some Caribbean beach for a month and he should be good to go like Schmeichel. If not as a regular then at least as a back up LB. If there's a chance we can keep him then we should because there's a lot he brings to the plate aside from what he does on the pitch
He needs a break, that's for sure, but his defending isn't top notch these days. That Lennon was able to sprint in behind him is not an issue for me; no fullback in the world would follow Lennon on that run - Evra has to pay attention to the offside line as well. His attacking has been very limited these days; he would always struggle against Lennon and Walker, but his link-up play wasn't up to scratch either.
That said, our entire left side has been atrocious this season. At times, Evra has had to carry the entire left side on his own. We are in desperate need of a left sided winger; either that, or we need a change in formation. I've been an ardent supporter of the 4-4-2 system with out-and-out wingers. However, there are very few world class wingers left who operate in such a system. Di Maria and Lucas Moura may be good shouts, but I'm not sure they are available. Nani, well let's not go there.
That said, our entire left side has been atrocious this season. At times, Evra has had to carry the entire left side on his own. We are in desperate need of a left sided winger; either that, or we need a change in formation. I've been an ardent supporter of the 4-4-2 system with out-and-out wingers. However, there are very few world class wingers left who operate in such a system. Di Maria and Lucas Moura may be good shouts, but I'm not sure they are available. Nani, well let's not go there.
He is not that vocal to be honest and that is what we need. We need a captain who can show a good example and not be afraid of shouting at his teammates. He is far from being Captain material in spite of being a good player.
That was his fault and nobody elses. He wanted to lead a strike to try and get rid of the manager and it worked. He preferred to make it personal rather than concentrate on winning the world cup with his teammates.
Why ever not? If Lennon is that good, why isn't he doing it on the world stage? As far as I know, Valencia is 2kms per hour faster than Lennon and even he cannot get past the worst of left full backs. Lennon skinning Evra is no big deal because Lennon gets found out against most teams.
Yeah, yeah I don't give a shite who did what and whose fault it was.
You seem to be a good poster but you're unhealthy agenda against ROnaldo and Evra is disturbing.
You brought it up. So, I am the only one who has been negative about Evra then...
As for the other person, my posts about the other player make up 1.93% of all my posts here on this forum so...Edit: By the same token, nearly 90% of your posts about Valencia have been negative...all you do is moan. That is some unhealthy agenda you have against Valencia.
Edit: On topic.
What would top it off would be, for him to try and accept the role of coming off the bench should their be an injury, playing in some FA Cup games, and possibly some Champions league games should the need arise. If he can do that until the end of next season, then he will be entitled to his testimonial, and then he can play for PSG/Monaco just to get that final paypacket. He was a loyal servant, but his last few games reminded me so much of Gary Neville against Stoke and when he got taken off by Sir Alex, it was the death knell of his career. I hope it doesn't happen to him, but it might just and I don't think he could ever handle that, but I could be wrong. Retire gracefully and your head held high little man.
You brought it up. So, I am the only one who has been negative about Evra then...
Edit: By the same token, nearly 90% of your posts about Valencia have been negative...all you do is moan. That is some unhealthy agenda you have against Valencia.
No saying Evra is shite would be true enough but your hate seems to go a beyond that.
Fair enough on Valencia
No saying Evra is shite would be true enough but your hate seems to go a beyond that.
Fair enough on Valencia
I have added some extra to my post...
As for Valencia, I know your reasons and I can probably share the same sentiments too...
I have added some extra to my post...
As for Valencia, I know your reasons and I can probably share the same sentiments too...
Agree with the added bit.
Keep him as a back up if he's fine with it. If not I wish him all the best anyway
So you see, it is not all hate. I don't like seeing players who have given their best years, then tarnish their legacy by playing terribly. When you go out, you go out at the top of your game just like Cantona did, just like Sir Alex did, and the great moments for Neville will always be there in my mind, but when he got substituted, it must have been heartbreaking, not only for the fan, for Sir Alex, but for Gary Neville too. Knowing that you are finished at the top level and going out like the way he did isn't the way I want Evra to be remembered to be honest. He will always be the attacking full back, but he cannot do both jobs anymore and it is time for him to pass over the reins and perhaps give back to the club his knowledge that he has gained, through the Manchester United way.
Hard to disagree with any of that but I don't necessarily think Evra has reached that Neville stage yet. He's still only 32 and IF managed correctly by the club still has something to offer on the pitch.
You think so? If he carries on like this, he is going to burn himself out and that could be even worse in my opinion. In any case, best not to think about the future right now, but the present and how Moyes can solve the left back problem with Buttner not being great, Fabio has probably been out of favour since Moyes took over. There are three possible options open to Moyes, but he needs to react now. We cannot keep on painting over the cracks, because one way or another, they will get exposed even more.
He has already cost us so many points over the past 18months. (Of course he has been instrumental and scoring too but it's undoing all the good work).
He is actually a liability and only getting in the team because of his past reputation and lack of options. Club like Utd shouldn't have to put up with this kind of problem.
Said it before the Spurs game - he should have got a break even though he is a key player. Has a tough time against Spurs typically and to add the obvious tiredness - it seemed like the perfect opportunity to give him a break.
If he doesn't trust Buttner or Fabio fine but, why not play Evans at left back since he has been content in putting other centerbacks on the right? We've got 5 months of the season left and we simply can't continue to ride Evra this much. It's almost in some game cost us and in others it has. He's still a phenomenal player - just needs a good break.
If he doesn't trust Buttner or Fabio fine but, why not play Evans at left back since he has been content in putting other centerbacks on the right? We've got 5 months of the season left and we simply can't continue to ride Evra this much. It's almost in some game cost us and in others it has. He's still a phenomenal player - just needs a good break.
His best performance in a month. Loved the energy he showed.
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