Patrice Evra | 2013/14 Performances

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Moyes was lucky yesterday, Evra playing shit again yet win comfortable.

Now he can possibly bring in his beloved Baines for megamoney without the supporters questioning his sanity.
Has Baines been just as good as last season?
 
Floyd said:
Moyes was lucky yesterday, Evra playing shit again yet win comfortable.

Now he can possibly bring in his beloved Baines for megamoney without the supporters questioning his sanity.
Has Baines been just as good as last season?
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Been injured recently. They haven't missed him with Oviedo playing well in his absence (and scoring the winner against us).

I just don't rate Baines that highly. His crossing and setpieces are all very good, but he's very lightweight. Defensively, he's very easily bullied and outmuscled. Evra gets rinsed for pace these days (though Baines isn't that fast either), but Evra's still a good physical presence and also fantastic in the air.

Evra needs to be replaced, which is a shame, but I just don't think Baines is the answer, especially as he's only a couple of years younger than Evra. It'd be a short sighted transfer, in my opinion. I'd rather splurge on Shaw, who has a bigger potential, and a much greater longevity.

Regardless of how much of a liability Patrice is, I will probably shed one or two big manly tears when he is replaced and he leaves United :(
 
He didn't maraud up and down the pitch yesterday yet still managed to look an absolute liability.

He's finished at the top level, sadly.
 
given evra's form at this moment, i'll let him rest a bit and use fabio more. some rotation at LB might be good for a start.

unfortunately fabio can't get a game under moyes.
 
Beggars belief. Why couldn't Fabio get some minutes yesterday, the game was won, Evra was awful and knackered. Terrible captain, really.
 
I think those of us asking "Why do we need Baines? Evra is world class" probably might regret that now.

He looks like someone showing his age and more. He's playing like a 35 year old rather than 32. quite often he looks slow, regularly looks out of puff, struggles to get into the correct position, too easily beaten and his ability to block crosses seems to have completely abandoned him.
 
Jaybezia said:
Terrible Captain? What makes you say that out of interest? :lol:
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I could obviously be wrong there, as he's without doubt a very popular character in the dressing room and he's a winner. But the way he's playing now he's a liability. Call me old fashion but in my book the Captain should preferably be among the best players in the team, and a nailed on starter. I guess Evra is a certain starter but a serious lack of alternatives makes it so. It's no secret, to say the least, that Moyes fancies a shining new left back.
 
Floyd said:
I could obviously be wrong there, as he's without doubt a very popular character in the dressing room and he's a winner. But the way he's playing now he's a liability. Call me old fashion but in my book the Captain should preferably be among the best players in the team, and a nailed on starter. I guess Evra is a certain starter but a serious lack of alternatives makes it so. It's no secret, to say the least, that Moyes fancies a shining new left back.
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So I would be correct in saying you think 'hes a terrible captain', even though 'hes without doubt a very popular character in the dressing room, and he's a winner', 'but the way he's playing now, he's a liability'..

Do you understand what the important parts of being a captain are? I wouldn't say bad form would be one of the larger assets of a Captain, it helps obviously, but it doesn't make him terrible, that's laughable.
 
Jaybezia said:
So I would be correct in saying you think 'hes a terrible captain', even though 'hes without doubt a very popular character in the dressing room, and he's a winner', 'but the way he's playing now, he's a liability'..

Do you understand what the important parts of being a captain are? I wouldn't say bad form would be one of the larger assets of a Captain, it helps obviously, but it doesn't make him terrible, that's laughable.
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Terrible was maybe too harsh a word to use. But he's not a good Captain. Do you think so?

BTW, Anderson is also a very popular player in the dressing room and he scored that penalty in Moscow. Our next Captain?
 
Floyd said:
Terrible was maybe too harsh a word to use. But he's not a good Captain. Do you think so?

BTW, Anderson is also a very popular player in the dressing room and he scored that penalty in Moscow. Our next Captain?
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Now you assume I consider that the sole trait for which to be a Captain, so obviously that was a retard question.

Terrible was the wrong word, I do think he's a good Captain yes, perhaps not as influential in the match as he used to be, and he'd better if he perhaps he could offer more, that I can't disagree with, but just for his mentality, his winning attitude, his experience, yes I'd say he is a good captain.
 
Love Pat but, boy he needs to pick his game up. Thought he was quite good at the beginning of the year. Just wish Moyes would give Fabio a chance.
 
Floyd said:
I could obviously be wrong there, as he's without doubt a very popular character in the dressing room and he's a winner. But the way he's playing now he's a liability. Call me old fashion but in my book the Captain should preferably be among the best players in the team, and a nailed on starter. I guess Evra is a certain starter but a serious lack of alternatives makes it so. It's no secret, to say the least, that Moyes fancies a shining new left back.
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I think the worse part of his captaincy is the fact he spouts off in the media all the time about the United way etc, then turns up on the pitch looking the player who gives the least amount of a feck and saunters around generally being a defensive liability.
 
Sixpence said:
I think the worse part of his captaincy is the fact he spouts off in the media all the time about the United way etc, then turns up on the pitch looking the player who gives the least amount of a feck and saunters around generally being a defensive liability.
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Pretty much this. A captain is mean't to be a leader on the pitch and is to set an example.

Robson vs Barcelona
Keane vs Juventus
Beckham vs Spurs
Cantona during the 1995/1996 season.
Steve Bruce against Sheffield Wednesday in 1993

They delivered the goods and saved their teams and dragged them to success/victory

Evra doesn't really do that
 
Sixpence said:
I think the worse part of his captaincy is the fact he spouts off in the media all the time about the United way etc, then turns up on the pitch looking the player who gives the least amount of a feck and saunters around generally being a defensive liability.
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He really never comes across as not giving a feck. With age, he has become visibly slower in running back when an attack breaks down, its not a surprise either considering his age and how involved he gets on the other end of the pitch. Even at his best, he had those brain farts like he did vs Newcastle in the 1st half, its nothing new. Its upto us to either manage him better, give him lesser attacking responsiblites, get him better cover or get rid. Either ways, it isnt down to him not giving a feck. That's ridiculous.

EDIT: I do agree that he shouldnt be captain though. A captain should lead by example and he isnt good enough anymore to do that.
 
Varun_Utd said:
He really never comes across as not giving a feck. With age, he has become visibly slower in running back when an attack breaks down, its not a surprise either considering his age and how involved he gets on the other end of the pitch. Even at his best, he had those brain farts like he did vs Newcastle in the 1st half, its nothing new. Its upto us to either manage him better, give him lesser attacking responsiblites, get him better cover or get rid. Either ways, it isnt down to him not giving a feck. That's ridiculous.

EDIT: I do agree that he shouldnt be captain though. A captain should lead by example and he isnt good enough anymore to do that.
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That's it really. But it's not because he just loves to bomb forward. It's because continually we've fielded (pre-Moyes) an unbalanced side lacking ideas and invention and so often resorted to using Evra overlapping when we've a) not had a recognised winger on the left or b) when we've had Young there and the opposition right-back has already read his moves (in font size number 100). And we've obviously not looked threatening from middle.
And he's over-used.

Saying that, Rafael can do everything, so maybe we need a left-sided Rafael...hmm

That second point you make - well, unless Phil Jones plays every game, I cannot really think of an obvious candidate. There has been a lack of inspirational characters in our team since Keane.
 
Mersault said:
That's it really. But it's not because he just loves to bomb forward. It's because continually we've fielded (pre-Moyes) an unbalanced side lacking ideas and invention and so often resorted to using Evra overlapping when we've a) not had a recognised winger on the left or b) when we've had Young there and the opposition right-back has already read his moves (in font size number 100). And we've obviously not looked threatening from middle.
And he's over-used.

Saying that, Rafael can do everything, so maybe we need a left-sided Rafael...hmm

That second point you make - well, unless Phil Jones plays every game, I cannot really think of an obvious candidate. There has been a lack of inspirational characters in our team since Keane.
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Yep, that's what, we havent managed him well at all. He's ageing, plays a tough position and has 0 rest. Yet somehow its just him not giving a feck when he doesnt dart back full pelt after having ran full speed for attacking.

Rafael is much younger and gets rotated which is why he can do it.

If Rooney stays, he will be captain. Issues aside, he is a leader on the pitch. Jones is too young atm, should be the one taking over from the next captain imo.
 
I think when our style of play dips so does Evra's form. All this "he's been shite defensively" is a bit OTT. Hes never once been a natural defender.

Its his other attributes that have made him a success here. As our style of football improves preception of his own performances will as well.
 
Decotron said:
I think when our style of play dips so does Evra's form. All this "he's been shite defensively" is a bit OTT. Hes never once been a natural defender.

Its his other attributes that have made him a success here. As our style of football improves preception of his own performances will as well.
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It's not OTT. He's been crap this season more often than not. Not entirely his fault as I think he's been well overplayed and looks exhausted both physically and mentally.
 
Evra is a United legend. His form 07-10 was incredible. He played virtually every game and was the best in the world at his position.

I really don't like slating such a great servant, but Evra has been defensively terrible and a liability this season. His crossing and heading from set-pieces is now good (where the feck was this during his prime years?) and he can still link well and dribble up the pitch well.

Fabio should at least get a few Cup games at LB to prove what he can do. We are wasting a very talented, young player.

Hell, I'd play Fabio instead of Young.
 
akash02 said:
It's not OTT. He's been crap this season more often than not. Not entirely his fault as I think he's been well overplayed and looks exhausted both physically and mentally.
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Again i think theres excuses to be made. From our general style of play to the fact hes lacked a consistant partner on the left wing ahead of him. That stifles his natural game from the outset.

Obviously I know hes been poor defensively, add to that a couple of shocking individual mistakes but my original point still stands, hes never been a good defender since we signed him so in that regard I think some people are being a tad unrealistic.
 
Decotron said:
Again i think theres excuses to be made. From our general style of play to the fact hes lacked a consistant partner on the left wing ahead of him. That stifles his natural game from the outset.

Obviously I know hes been poor defensively, add to that a couple of shocking individual mistakes but my original point still stands, hes never been a good defender since we signed him so in that regard I think some people are being a tad unrealistic.
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Disagree. At his peak only lennon troubled him and he was a fantastic defender as well as great going forward.

Not having a consistent partner is no excuse for beaten 1v1 quite regularly and allowing the players he's supposed to mark go freely. And then there's his jogging back from attacking positions when teams are attacking his left side.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Evra is a United legend. His form 07-10 was incredible. He played virtually every game and was the best in the world at his position.

I really don't like slating such a great servant, but Evra has been defensively terrible and a liability this season. His crossing and heading from set-pieces is now good (where the feck was this during his prime years?) and he can still link well and dribble up the pitch well.

Fabio should at least get a few Cup games at LB to prove what he can do. We are wasting a very talented, young player.

Hell, I'd play Fabio instead of Young.
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For a few unimportant games, Fabio at fullback, Buttner instead of Young, 'ave a go lads.
 
akash02 said:
Disagree. At his peak only lennon troubled him and he was a fantastic defender as well as great going forward.

Not having a consistent partner is no excuse for beaten 1v1 quite regularly and allowing the players he's supposed to mark go freely. And then there's his jogging back from attacking positions when teams are attacking his left side.
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disagree with both points.

Hes never been a fantastic defender. Its simply not part of his natural game. Obviously hes improved the basics since we signed him but I doubt many will agree with you there.

Whoever plays ahead of the full back has an impact on any team defensively. Not sure how it couldnt to be honest.
 
Decotron said:
disagree with both points.

Hes never been a fantastic defender. Its simply not part of his natural game. Obviously hes improved the basics since we signed him but I doubt many will agree with you there.

Whoever plays ahead of the full back has an impact on any team defensively. Not sure how it couldnt to be honest.
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He was a good defender, maybe not fantastic but few fullbacks are, mostly due to his amazing pace. Only Lennon was able to skin him by using pace, and as we know, Lennon starts at top speed. He used to defend quite high up the pitch, so if someone was able to get past him one time, he had the pace to catch up with them. I remember him being very good at slide tackles - something he rarely does anymore.

I agree that whoever plays ahead of the fullback has an impact on defending just as the fullback has an impact on attacking.
 
I can understand why he's been picked tonight but I don't see where he is going to get the rest he needs with the schedule coming up. Looked tired against Villa.

And this is why players like John O'Shea were so well-liked by Alex Ferguson.
 
I love you Pat. Don't listen to these poisonous negative nellies wanting shot of you.

You're the king.

He's definitely reading this. You'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE.
 
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"I usually only use my right foot to get on the bus" :lol:
 
I thought he led by example last night, fantastic performance and him and Rafael were our best attacking outlets until Chich came on.
 
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