Patrice Evra | 2013/14 Performances

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DevilRed said:
Played well and he wasn't the only one to blame for the last minute goal. Rio Ferdinand and Jonny Evans did themselves no favors either.

Our whole back four was shaky on setpieces. We really do need Nemanja Vidic otherwise we just look vulnerable.
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On the contrary about Evans and Ferdinand there. Why not add Rooney to the equation too whilst we are at it?

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As you can see, Evans is the one 4th from the right in front of Fellaini and just behind Ferdinand. Ferdinand has to make up about 2 metres to try and intercept the header but it wasn't to be. As far as I'm concerned, even though he loves the club, what he showed yesterday was just laziness, and as a Manchester United captain, that is unacceptable. If Vidic had been there, he would have put his life on the line to stop that from going in, but Evra, who is world class by all accounts at his job and he couldn't defend for toffee yesterday. That is my take on it anyway. There is absolutely no blame to be attached to Evans or Ferdinand since they were not at fault. If Rio was at fault, it was only because he had to clear up Evra's mess in the first place.
 
He's an absolute liability in defence. He 'gets away with it' simply because of who he is.

Its all good and well that he contributes going forward, and now scores the odd goal, but he can't defend. Infact, half the time he doesn't even bother attempting to defend. You can see why Moyes was desperate for a left back in the Summer.
 
Sam said:
He's an absolute liability in defence. He 'gets away with it' simply because of who he is.

Its all good and well that he contributes going forward, and now scores the odd goal, but he can't defend. Infact, half the time he doesn't even bother attempting to defend. You can see why Moyes was desperate for a left back in the Summer.
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He has been a great player for us, but his time is finished and it was a couple of years ago. Whether he likes the club or not, sentiment doesn't come into it when we, as a club need to show other teams that we are better than them. The way I see it is that most of the teams have in fact worked out our weakest side, and it isn't down Valencia's or Smallings/Raphaels. It is clearly the left side where the weakspot it and other managers have him sussed. To be honest, I would accept Baines over Evra simply because he can shoot, he can take set pieces, he can run down the left flank, but is also capable of getting back to his post when a counter is on. Herein lies the difference between Evra and Baines. I think Moyes should think about buying Baines in January and throwing him into the left back role and show Patrick that there is no such thing as a secure place at Manchester United. Evra is good at scoring goals, but it counts for feck all if he cannot defend properly after he has scored.
 
We definitely need a left back, hopefully Moyes can sign either Baines or Coentrao if he's available. Personally, I think I'd prefer Coentrao but Baines is a quality player too, I'd have no problems with Baines playing for us.

Then I'd give Evra a choice. Either a) accept that he'll be playing less and less but highlight the value he can still offer to the squad in terms of experience and leadership. The likes of Giggs, Ferdinand and Scholes continued to be an important part of the club even after they were long past their best, Evra could do the same. Or b) allow him to go to a club where he can continue to play regularly, if that's what he wants.

Evra is a bit of a legend here, so he deserves to be treated with respect and given the opportunity to choose how he wants to leave the club. His status can't protect him from being replaced now that he's past his best though.
 
What doesn't help him is that both Kagawa and Januzaj like to roam and drift inside, which is ok when we have the ball but when we don't it leaves poor Evra defending two on one. It's unsurprising his flank gets attacked a lot. Baines wouldn't magically be some imperious defender under the same circumstances. Evra has created the most chances and made the most key passes in our team this season. The wingers aren't doing much and we have nothing coming through the middle so besides the set-pieces he's our biggest creative force which is absurd really as it's not a role he is used to. He plays an incredible number of games every season and always gives his all when he's wearing the shirt. He's been a brilliant servant and genuinely loves the club. He's far from a liability and I hope he retires here.
 
kouroux said:
That mistake of his that led to the equalizer cannot be excused or explained. It was horrible to watch and at such an important moment too.
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Cardiff had two earlier freekicks in wide positions. In the first half, neither Rooney nor Evra retreated once the freekick had been taken and the Cardiff player got a relatively free header which fortunately went straight to De Gea. Obviously I have no idea what the instructions are for defending wide freekicks but it is clear that several of the players do not move back towards our goal. Surely the coaching staff should have noticed what happened in the first half and used the interval to explain to individuals what they should be doing.

As for the idea that Baines is better than Evra, I'm not remotely convinced. I suspect Baines wouldn't be given anything like the responsibility for corners, freekicks, and penalties that he has had at Everton so his contribution would be way down. Defensively he looks as poor as Evra to me.
 
LR7 said:
What doesn't help him is that both Kagawa and Januzaj like to roam and drift inside, which is ok when we have the ball but when we don't it leaves poor Evra defending two on one. It's unsurprising his flank gets attacked a lot. Baines wouldn't magically be some imperious defender under the same circumstances. Evra has created the most chances and made the most key passes in our team this season. The wingers aren't doing much and we have nothing coming through the middle so besides the set-pieces he's our biggest creative force which is absurd really as it's not a role he is used to. He plays an incredible number of games every season and always gives his all when he's wearing the shirt. He's been a brilliant servant and genuinely loves the club. He's far from a liability and I hope he retires here.
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Bravo. Spot on.
 
If we have to move him out, I hope the club will do it in a way so that Evra always has good memory about United. A proper leader and character of a player, who's an integral part of United most successful period.
 
kundalini said:
Cardiff had two earlier freekicks in wide positions. In the first half, neither Rooney nor Evra retreated once the freekick had been taken and the Cardiff player got a relatively free header which fortunately went straight to De Gea. Obviously I have no idea what the instructions are for defending wide freekicks but it is clear that several of the players do not move back towards our goal. Surely the coaching staff should have noticed what happened in the first half and used the interval to explain to individuals what they should be doing.

As for the idea that Baines is better than Evra, I'm not remotely convinced. I suspect Baines wouldn't be given anything like the responsibility for corners, freekicks, and penalties that he has had at Everton so his contribution would be way down. Defensively he looks as poor as Evra to me.
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I noticed more or less the same things, Evra was rarely at fault in terms of defending on set pieces in matches before, against Cardiff it was OTT.
 
I do think that Moyes should have considered carefully whether to play Evra against Cardiff as he had played 2 tough and no doubt emotionally draining, matches against the Ukraine. Against Arsenal Evra appeared to have run out of gas 15 mins before the end. I didn't notice a repeat against Cardiff but it would hardly be a surprise if he was exhausted.

Expecting him to play Cardiff, Leverkusen and then face Spurs' wingers strikes me as asking for trouble. What state is he going to be in during the last 20 mins at White Hart Lane ?
 
To blame solely on Evra for the equaliser is something we shouldn't do. The events that led to the freekick was something i am still fuming. We seem to give away silly fouls in dangerous area during games. This really invites a lot of pressure on the team to defend.
 
kundalini said:
I do think that Moyes should have considered carefully whether to play Evra against Cardiff as he had played 2 tough and no doubt emotionally draining, matches against the Ukraine. Against Arsenal Evra appeared to have run out of gas 15 mins before the end. I didn't notice a repeat against Cardiff but it would hardly be a surprise if he was exhausted.

Expecting him to play Cardiff, Leverkusen and then face Spurs' wingers strikes me as asking for trouble. What state is he going to be in during the last 20 mins at White Hart Lane ?
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What a complete load of bollocks!! The first match against the Ukraine, perhaps, but the return match, he had relatively little to do since France were dominating possession and playing like Barcelona. He had very little to do in that match.
 
Shocking stuff from him on the second Cardiff goal. For a guy who is I think second or third in line in terms of captaincy, with minutes to go, he's not even making an effort to help the team defend the free kick. He just stands there letting the attacker run last him. Even we Kim goes past him, he just continues to stand.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Shocking stuff from him on the second Cardiff goal. For a guy who is I think second or third in line in terms of captaincy, with minutes to go, he's not even making an effort to help the team defend the free kick. He just stands there letting the attacker run last him. Even we Kim goes past him, he just continues to stand.
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I'll tell you this much. If Keane had been captain, he would have skinned Evra alive for that error. In real time, players cannot assess their performance, but I guess they rewatch the whole match on the bus or something like that. As I said, Keane would have just gone mental. For a captain of Manchester United, it was a shocking performance. A captain leads by example, but he doesn't, I am sorry;
 
Proud_Lyon said:
I'll tell you this much. If Keane had been captain, he would have skinned Evra alive for that error. In real time, players cannot assess their performance, but I guess they rewatch the whole match on the bus or something like that. As I said, Keane would have just gone mental. For a captain of Manchester United, it was a shocking performance. A captain leads by example, but he doesn't, I am sorry;
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You know, these things can happen when you're up 2 or 3 nil. But we were just about holding on. And it was the final few minutes. How does an experienced big name player switch off completely and almost show completely disinterest and laziness, is beyond me. It's not as if he was beaten by skill or strength. He simply didn't bother.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
You know, these things can happen when you're up 2 or 3 nil. But we were just about holding on. And it was the final few minutes. How does an experienced big name player switch off completely and almost show completely disinterest and laziness, is beyond me. It's not as if he was beaten by skill or strength. He simply didn't bother.
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I do believe we were actually holding on for a win, yet somehow, a player who only recently scored two goals in the championship, managed to make our "World Class left-back", look like a mug. Many people doubt Baines or Coentrao, but I don't think they would have let Kim score against us. I mean, (sorry to say this by the way) he is the fecking captain, the proudest moment of any players career when they play for Manchester United, yet he, like he has done in so many matches, just gives the impression that he couldn't be bothered anymore prefers to attack down the wing. If the attack fails, then he can be seen ambling back slowly whilst the likes of Rooney have to run all the way back to save his ass. I hope Moyes actually gives the captaincy to another player instead of him, because for me, he isn't captain material and his attitude towards the end of the match was just as bad. When was the last time Vidic ever shyed away from anything?

Edit: With reference to the pics I posted above, Evra had his arms down by his sides before the free-kick was taken, still there when Kim headed the ball, they are still down his sides one the ball is in the net, and they are still down when Kim runs away to celebrate. I mean, where is the anger, where is the deception of conceding such a soft goal? There is no anger or deception, just an action that lasted all of 10 or more seconds and it was an "I don't give a feck", reaction.

Just watch 3:40 to 3:53 on this clip:

 
Proud_Lyon said:
I do believe we were actually holding on for a win, yet somehow, a player who only recently scored two goals in the championship, managed to make our "World Class left-back", look like a mug. Many people doubt Baines or Coentrao, but I don't think they would have let Kim score against us. I mean, (sorry to say this by the way) he is the fecking captain, the proudest moment of any players career when they play for Manchester United, yet he, like he has done in so many matches, just gives the impression that he couldn't be bothered anymore prefers to attack down the wing. If the attack fails, then he can be seen ambling back slowly whilst the likes of Rooney have to run all the way back to save his ass. I hope Moyes actually gives the captaincy to another player instead of him, because for me, he isn't captain material and his attitude towards the end of the match was just as bad. When was the last time Vidic ever shyed away from anything?

Edit: With reference to the pics I posted above, Evra had his arms down by his sides before the free-kick was taken, still there when Kim headed the ball, they are still down his sides one the ball is in the net, and they are still down when Kim runs away to celebrate. I mean, where is the anger, where is the deception of conceding such a soft goal? There is no anger or deception, just an action that lasted all of 10 or more seconds and it was an "I don't give a feck", reaction.

Just watch 3:40 to 3:53 on this clip:

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It wasn't a I don't care reaction.
 
Mitch_93 said:
It wasn't a I don't care reaction.
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Perhaps not, but it wasn't a "oh ffs", reaction neither. I don't know how anyone could defend Evra for his defending against fecking Cardiff of all teams. World Class left-back, 4-times best left back in the premier league, and he couldn't even stop someone who hadn't scored a goal against any Premiership opposition in 11 matches. That for me, is just shocking. I hope Moyes strips him of the captaincy and give it to someone worthy. Secondly, we might be going into the knockout stages of the Champions league and it is there that we cannot afford any slip ups. Moyes needs to get a replacement and fast because time is running out. Coentrao will do just nicely in that role.
 
Don't care about his reaction but he needs a bollocking for his reaction to Kim's run.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Many people doubt Baines or Coentrao, but I don't think they would have let Kim score against us. I mean, (sorry to say this by the way) he is the fecking captain, the proudest moment of any players career when they play for Manchester United, yet he, like he has done in so many matches, just gives the impression that he couldn't be bothered anymore prefers to attack down the wing. If the attack fails, then he can be seen ambling back slowly whilst the likes of Rooney have to run all the way back to save his ass. I hope Moyes actually gives the captaincy to another player instead of him, because for me, he isn't captain material and his attitude towards the end of the match was just as bad. When was the last time Vidic ever shyed away from anything?
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Nonsense - I have seen both do similar things before.

I think you've got a bit of an agenda against Evra (the French thing perhaps?) but to say he isn't captain material is to totally go against loads of evidence to suggest he, in fact, is... just because of this one incident - which was very poor from him of course - but you could see from the look on his face and his comments afterwards that he is hurting from it as much as anyone.

He still had a very good game - and was one of our better players... and the reason we were 2-1 up in the first place lest we forget.
 
I'd be amazed if Moyes didn't tear shreds off him in the dressing room after the match. He cost us two valuable points because he got lazy.
 
'feck YOU PATRICE, YOU LOST US TWO POINTS....

Leighton wouldn't have made that mistake...'

Something like that
 
Tibs said:
'feck YOU PATRICE, YOU LOST US TWO POINTS....

Leighton wouldn't have made that mistake...'

Something like that
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I think he means what Moyes said in the dressing room... not what he said later when he was at home in the fetal position...

As an aside, bollocking Evra, bollocking Rooney... must have been a shouty affair in that dressing room... though I wouldn't be shocked if Moyes probably had a quick word as these players clearly seemed like they realised their mistakes...
 
He might have gotten lazy at their second goal, I can't recall, but if anyone think that either Coentrao or Baines will improve us defeinsively on set-pieces they have another thing coming. Evra is magnificent in the air and his stats tell us that. He clears the ball so so many times, and Baines isn't close to his aerial ability. Also, I think Evra blocked crosses against Cardiff quite well. Thought he played a good match, but he is prone to the odd mistake. People are way too critical of him though, it's the most popular bandwagon atm.
 
Rossa said:
He might have gotten lazy at their second goal, I can't recall, but if anyone think that either Coentrao or Baines will improve us defeinsively on set-pieces they have another thing coming. Evra is magnificent in the air and his stats tell us that. He clears the ball so so many times, and Baines isn't close to his aerial ability. Also, I think Evra blocked crosses against Cardiff quite well. Thought he played a good match, but he is prone to the odd mistake. People are way too critical of him though, it's the most popular bandwagon atm.
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This.
 
Rossa said:
He might have gotten lazy at their second goal, I can't recall, but if anyone think that either Coentrao or Baines will improve us defeinsively on set-pieces they have another thing coming. Evra is magnificent in the air and his stats tell us that. He clears the ball so so many times, and Baines isn't close to his aerial ability. Also, I think Evra blocked crosses against Cardiff quite well. Thought he played a good match, but he is prone to the odd mistake. People are way too critical of him though, it's the most popular bandwagon atm.
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I agree with the part in bold. And people do have a tendency to get on his case when he does nothing but what is - in fact - his job, namely to contribute heavily to our offensive game: His perceived laziness in tracking back is much overplayed - it's impossible to be an attacking fullback of his ilk without sacrificing something defensively. It's a calculated risk, if you will. But for me his feck-up on Sunday is still a serious one. He switches off at the most crucial moment in the match - it simply shouldn't happen. He deserves a right bollocking for that one.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I agree with the part in bold. And people do have a tendency to get on his case when he does nothing but what is - in fact - his job, namely to contribute heavily to our offensive game: His perceived laziness in tracking back is much overplayed - it's impossible to be an attacking fullback of his ilk without sacrificing something defensively. It's a calculated risk, if you will. But for me his feck-up on Sunday is still a serious one. He switches off at the most crucial moment in the match - it simply shouldn't happen. He deserves a right bollocking for that one.
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Agree with you and Rossa. Evra is, at times, getting no protection from Januzaj and Kagawa. This is partially down to Moyes playing a narrow midfield structure so we don't get overrun in the middle. While it's great to see, it leaves the wingers too far infield and allows Evra to be isolated and having to deal with either a 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 situation. In 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 this would have worked perfectly because Evra was a beast, but now he needs more protection. Wingers can be so lazy at times (even when they're out wide defending), it's unbelievable.
 
I'd be amazed if he didn't shout at at everyone, its a team performance lads, not an individual one. Everyone has to take the criticism. There is an awful agenda against Evra in certain parts of the forum and it is really annoying to see it happen, when this man has pretty much stepped up and led the team when Vidic is unable to for almost 2 years now. He deserves a lot more credit for that than he gets currently. Don't forget Smalling was the reason we had to defend the set piece in the first place.
 
RedRossi said:
I don't get the whole, kissing the badge thing all the while he wants to leave and wanted to leave before
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He never said it, it was twitter talk. He cleared it all up immediately after. I would be questioning fan loyalty not him. Besides, he has the right to leave us on a high and with dignity, he loves the club and if he is to leave it would be amicable and with the best intentions.
 
Mitch_93 said:
He never said it, it was twitter talk. He cleared it all up immediately after. I would be questioning fan loyalty not him. Besides, he has the right to leave us on a high and with dignity, he loves the club and if he is to leave it would be amicable and with the best intentions.
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Ah I see. I had no idea he cleared it up. Thought he said he was leaving
 
akash02 said:
Proud_Lyon talking crap about Evra. Shocker!
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So what!!!! Am I not allowed to criticise performances now? He was at fault for the goal and cost us two points whilst some other poster indicated it was Rio's and Evans' fault. Bollocks, it was Evra's responsibility and he cost us two points. It is clear for all to see that you see no fault, therefore you are the ultimate top red where nobody can do wrong.
 
He was at fault for the goal but you clearly have an agenda against Evra.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
So what!!!! Am I not allowed to criticise performances now? He was at fault for the goal and cost us two points whilst some other poster indicated it was Rio's and Evans' fault. Bollocks, it was Evra's responsibility and he cost us two points. It is clear for all to see that you see no fault, therefore you are the ultimate top red where nobody can do wrong.
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Well you go around criticizing Evra in every thread where he is mentioned (iirc) and do the same with Ronaldo. I'd call you the ultimate hater/anti fanboy, before calling anybody a top red. Chill out.
 
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