I don't think it is something you'd consider in the spur of the moment with a player at your back in the box. Surely you'd have other priorities but I think at times it might play a small part.
Patrice Evra | 2012/13 Performances
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I don't think it is something you'd consider in the spur of the moment with a player at your back in the box. Surely you'd have other priorities but I think at times it might play a small part.
From playing football, it doesn't come into it. Not unless you lack some sort of competitive spirit. If that's the case, you shouldn't be out there.
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How the hell can you downplay Evra's lung busting run to catch Tevez and prevent what looked like a certain goal, but you are so adament on "proving" that he was lazy for a couple of chances that resulted in nothing? You clearly have an agenda here, and it is not one worthy of a United supporter!
The thing is, you do this time and time again; failing to recognise good play from certain players, even when they are highlighted for you. When Evra tracks back like a demon, it was poor play from Tevez, but when Evra is fooled by Silva, who more or less fools everyone, it is poor play from Evra, not good play from Silva. That is just plain ridiculous.
There should be a like button on here - Annihilate's posts were great!
How the hell can you downplay Evra's lung busting run to catch Tevez and prevent what looked like a certain goal, but you are so adament on "proving" that he was lazy for a couple of chances that resulted in nothing? You clearly have an agenda here, and it is not one worthy of a United supporter!
The thing is, you do this time and time again; failing to recognise good play from certain players, even when they are highlighted for you. When Evra tracks back like a demon, it was poor play from Tevez, but when Evra is fooled by Silva, who more or less fools everyone, it is poor play from Evra, not good play from Silva. That is just plain ridiculous.
There should be a like button on here - Annihilate's posts were great!
I singled out three examples of Evra's poor defending, and you are just sticking to one he did good, and even that could have easily resulted in penalty.
This, a dive is when you go to ground looking for a penalty/free kick.
It might have been a dive but the Tevez incident probably would've been a penalty nonetheless, you see such small contact like that given as a penalty all the time especially when the player is behind the man.
No, you are just so bloody intent on singling our what he did wrong. Neither of those resulted in goals, Tevez' chance most likely would've. Any challenge inside the box can potentialy result in a penalty - silly argument.
What does it matter if Cleverley followed the run and Evra didn't? If Cleverley did, there is no need for Evra to do that. Do you think it was wise of Evans to jump into Rio's back last year so they collided and we conceded a goal? One doesn't always have to track the runs - stop being obsessed by that. Tevez wasn't Evra's man, yet he tracked him - it's a give and take story and you help out your other teammates.
Is it so terrible for a defender to be fooled by Silva? Would you blame a defender for being outpaced by Ronaldo, or Bale, or Valencia, or Walcott? It's the same thing really!
You are one of the most negative posters on here, especially about certain players; you argue for the sake of it, and when your arguments aren't even good, you just keep on arguing, even if posters have proven to you with good arguments that yours were the wrong assumptions.
In the utopian sense, you are of course right; however, we all remember how Keane revenged himself on Håland. For the same reason as hating someone, I think it would be safe to say that you wouldn't tackle as hard or reckless on a mate of yours. That would probably also apply to most players when it comes to diving; most players, except Young, would hesitate diving against your former club because of the, hopefully, mutual respect. That's why many players chose to not celebrate their goals against former teammates.
Is Tevez a notorious diver though? I thought he was quite honest in that respect anyhow - I might be wrong though.
There was nowhere near enough contact on Tevez from Evra to warrant a penalty. This is evident from how little balance Tevez lost due to the contact... yes it put him off shooting, but it did hardly anything to alter his balance.
As I said before, contact alone is not enough for a foul. Honestly, I find it hard to believe, in a match of this magnitude, if Tevez had felt enough contact that he felt he could justifiably go down under and have a good chance of getting a penalty, he would have done.
He possibly might have got it, doesn't mean it's the right decision though. Thing is, it was on the linesman side, so you'd suspect he would have looked to his linesman to see how much contact there was between the two, and he may well have seen rightly seen that there wasn't much in it.
You mean two
As I said before, contact alone is not enough for a foul. Honestly, I find it hard to believe, in a match of this magnitude, if Tevez had felt enough contact that he felt he could justifiably go down under and have a good chance of getting a penalty, he would have done.
He possibly might have got it, doesn't mean it's the right decision though. Thing is, it was on the linesman side, so you'd suspect he would have looked to his linesman to see how much contact there was between the two, and he may well have seen rightly seen that there wasn't much in it.
You mean two
You mean two
Nah, I still think he was at fault for all three situations.
Just because neither of those chances had resulted in goal he shouldn't be blamed?
As for Silva situation, if you have read my post clearly, you would see I'm not blaming him because Silva fooled him, I'm blaming him for neccesarily leaving Silva alone and coming to attack other player that had the ball. Blaming him because silva dribbled him is stupid.
And you are right in saying I am negative, but in sense of criticizeing players, nothing else. You won't see me blaming whole team and saying we are shit or anything like that, saying our midfield is the worst in the world, writing knee jerks reaction when we lose the game, I don't even write in matchday thread once the game starts.
I don't see anything bad in criticizeing player tbf, praising player when he isn't playing good is much worse then that.
Well then you're being incredibly stubborn to the point of which I would question your motives.
I've pointed out fairly conclusively that Evra, defensively at least, was not at fault in the second instance you've point out (his crime was making a poor pass, which is just poor play, not bad defensive work)... the fact that you would choose to maintain your stance smacks of you trying to find fault where there is none, which considering this is one of our own we're talking about here, is very odd.
I said he should have tracked instead of cleverley, it wasn't some big error, but as a defender, he should have take responsibility in that situation and track their player, because him and Cleverley were about on same spot.
I trust caftards realize contact alone does not constitute a foul. On the basis of some of the previous posts, that may not be a safe assumption.
Apparently some people are now thinking football is a non contact sport. Admittedly it is heading that way.
It's not just former teammates. It's the former club. It's a sign of respect. I'm talking about when you're on the pitch with your mates. You don't loosen up on a 50/50 because you see your mate on the opposing team go for it.
If what you say is the case, then RVP wouldn't have slid in Sagna as he did. He was their captain yet he put in a fully committed performance and made some crunching tackles. It's not utopian. This is how it's done. Unless my eyes have deceived me all these years of watching.
Contact isn't necessary for a foul, if you make contact with the player but not the ball it's pretty much guaranteed that it's a careless tackle and therefore a foul.
Yeah let's sell him in jan
I think it's a good shout that he has been one of our better players so far this season
I think it's a good shout that he has been one of our better players so far this season
Offensively he's been as good as ever. Defensively he still scares me.
A shakey performance at the back.
Thought he was excellent 1st half, dipped slightly 2nd half like all the rest.
I will cry if he leaves. We cannot do better than him for at least 2 more seasons
I will cry if he leaves. We cannot do better than him for at least 2 more seasons
WTF? Can Evra ever play a game without we hear about this shit?
What did Evra do wrong today? I'm so fed up with this moaning shit that posters need to execrate after every damn match about the same players.
Was great going forwards - should have had a goal if he knew how to finish with his feet.
Defended well and didn't do much wrong there either.
this. with United's offensive prowess his attacking should take a back seat to his defending. it's at defense that United struggle.
Yeah, seeing that he was fourth for our second goal, almost scored twice. Yeah, he should take a back seat. How the hell do you think Young would be doing if not for Evra? Ferguson has said that Evra is vital to our attack, and he has proven as much. Our central midfielders need to back him for defensive work, like they did in the first half. Cleverley is good at this when playing alongside Carrick.
Thought he had a good game.
He was sloppy at times for me and I think towards the end he almost made a big mistake where he let one of their players just go, really seems to expect Young to do a lot of his work. In fairness to Evra though I do think it's ridiculous how little we try to rest him. Fergie often talks about players playing too many games etc, but Evra is pretty much a fixture of the team in probably the most demanding role fitness wise and we rarely look to rest him. Given how good Hernandez has looked after a break I wonder if Evra wouldn't improve dramatically with a bit more rest given to him.
I didn't say he should stop going forward, and this was sunderland after all. he's had a surprisingly good season so far.
You did say he should take a back seat, so yeah, you did imply he should more or less stop going forward.
He's had a very good season so far, but people should stop moaning about one or two mistakes defensively. I've said it before, all modern fullbacks are caught out several times during a match; it's natural as they are attacking fullbacks and you can't expect them to bust their lungs getting back every time. They need defensive cover, especially Evra who plays every bloody match.
Then maybe you should cut him some slack for letting a player go once or twice in a match and rather expect other players to cover for him?
I do agree that he should be rested more, and preferably over a couple of weeks; I just wish we had a fit Fabio for that, as I'm not convinced about Büttner.
Not really, his primary duty is to defend, if he can't do that cause he's tired he should communicate that. Anyway a fair few of those come simply from him following the ball and not spotting/reading the danger. Sunderland could easily have scored from that. We should rest him more but he can still do better in defence that he does at times.
Pat is back to his old self as far as im concerned. Solid at the back and really supports Young out on the left flank. Got in behind the fullback a few times too.
I'm SO tired of the "his primary duty is to defend" argument. His primary duty is to defend and attack, hence why he is an attacking fullback. Impossible to argue if you don't understand that. Players aren't isolated to one position on the pitch.
If Vidic goes up on a corner, then it is natural that Young or someone else who can't duel in the air go down to take his position - you wouldn't blame Vidic for a counter attacking goal there, would you?
When Evra attacks, someone else must take his defensive duties. Cleverley was good at that in the first half, but in the second half it was Evra who was isolated in defense far too much - thus not getting the help from his teammates that he deserved.
I'm not talking about a counter though, that is obviously a different matter. I'm talking about open play when he's not coming back from an attack but already part of the defence and he usually drifts way to far inside or just leaves his man open. I'm not saying he does it all the time but it is something he is definitely guilty off.
He does look back to his best doesn't he?
I think those moaning that he lets people get past him on a couple occasions need to remember that he used to this even when at his peak.
OK, then we are about on the same page. He does drift in, but I've always considered that to be a tactical move as he is a good header on the ball. He has always done that; I always thought that was to make up for Vidic' lack of pace, but playing beside Smalling, he shouldn't have to.
However, when he doesn't do this and indeed blocks crosses, he is criticised for giving away corners on here too.
Well I wouldn't say that I'm one of those looking to always bash Evra, think I bumped this thread in August with stats showing Evra matched/bettered some of the other top fullbacks in the league.
He does get some unfair stick imo but I think this particular aspect of him game is quite a worry especially as when he looses some pace it might get exploited even more and Young does give him a lot of protection which he might not get in Young is out of the team.
He does get some unfair stick imo but I think this particular aspect of him game is quite a worry especially as when he looses some pace it might get exploited even more and Young does give him a lot of protection which he might not get in Young is out of the team.
In fairness, you were bashing him some. Imo, when a player plays well you should rather focus on that than one or two glitches. As I said, all modern fullbacks have these - to say their first priority is to defend is naive as they are equally an attacking threat. Nani would sure as hell get some stick if he didn't defend - the fullback and the winger complement each other in attack and in defense.
I agree with the posters above that he seems to be back to his best. His pace is at 85-90% of what it used to be, which enables him to run past players again; last season he struggled with minor injuries that he played with that surely hampered his fitness.
I think him drifting inwards is hyped up more than it needs to be; he surely does this for a reason, otherwise he would be instructed to do differently.
Evra returning to form has been one of the most pleasant surprises of the season. Didn't see it coming - genuinely thought he was on a steep downward trajectory.
OMFG!
The moaners do come out after sunset, so no surprises there. Talk about zombie-passing, what about zombie-posting?
The guy deserves some praise as he has really stepped up his game this season.
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