So it's true... Fergie is definitely pushing ahead with the swap deal for Baines then.
Patrice Evra | 2012/13 Performances
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So it's true... Fergie is definitely pushing ahead with the swap deal for Baines then.
Thought it was Rio putting it out from a tevez cross/shot? Perhaps that was another play that we cleared.
He had a very strong game but a few wobbly moments - your going to get those vs a team with that much movement and quality though - much improved and I bet it has to do with the rest he's been getting
Rafael and Cleverley combined to give away possession in the build up then Rafael put the ball out. It's laughable somebody can come in to a thread and criticise a player for absolutely nothing. It's been that way with Evra for a while now though. He'll be yet another player we only appreciate fully when he's gone.
Balotelli's very good chance in first half(at the beggining) came when Evra didn't want to track him back, and same happened when De Gea put shoulder save after Silva's shot, once again Evra didn't wanted to track back, eventough both chances could easily be prevented.
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My feelings about Evra are very clear. He's been sensational for us for a long time and still is one of the top left backs on the planet. His play was inspired yesterday and although there's always something we can nibble at, he was exceptional in containing all threats that came his way. He has the heart of a lion and that's something you just can't buy.
Criticism is fair game on a forum like this, but let's be sure to appreciate how brilliant Patrice Evra has been and still is for Manchester United Football Club.
Criticism is fair game on a forum like this, but let's be sure to appreciate how brilliant Patrice Evra has been and still is for Manchester United Football Club.
Everything is so easy with you. What about when Evra tracked back like a motherf**** to prevent Tevez from scoring a certain goal? Not all chances are easily prevented. Evra had a great game, but you can go ahead and nit pick about everything if that makes you happy.
So what he tracked Tevez, we should give him statue because he was doing his job?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-city-2-manchester-united-3-extended-highlights/
29:36 That is awfull defending, our both defenders run back to cover space, and Evra just watches Balotelli running in front of him, he doesn't even want to try to track him back. That was one of City's best chances in first half, that could easily be a goal, and it would be Evra's fault.
11:33 it was his pass that led to cleverley just pomping it forward(I don't blame him, everyone can feck up the pass), but when city started to counterattack you can't see his willingnes to track back at all, you see Cleverley tracking back to cover space that Evra should occupy, and Evra stays just high on the pitch, and city creating very good chance.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-city-2-manchester-united-3-4/
1:37 Once again, he doesn't want to track silva at all because he thinks it's easier to go into midfield and attack the player with the ball, later Silva espaces him, and Evra is all over the place, resulting in great chance for silva that should be a goal and another Evra's fault.
You don't need to be special defender to prevent this, all those chances would never probably come if he just tracked back, he didn't even had to tackle or something like that.
That's not one good chance, that is two or three excellent chances that could result in goal.
But go on, defend him, tell me I'm an criticizeing him too much, but Evra's lack of willingness to track back is quite often exposed, and quite often we conceede goals in big games because of that, and teams create their best chances through Evra's side.
While I admire Evra because of his fitness, attacking play, love for this club, those things are basics of defending.
I was under the impression that the attack came down the left hand side and Evra was absolutely no where to be seen. That may have been a different attack, but I thought it was the one which led to the 2nd goal, either way, it happened 2 or 3 times during the second half.
I'll give you the first one, he let Balotelli go far too easily... but the second one is criticism for criticisms sake. Evra does indeed lose the ball high up the pitch, and because of this he is way out of position. Thankfully Clev is covering, so he takes over Evra's job, meaning Evra takes up Clevrley's job. If you watch the 2nd replay, you can see Evra is running back, he's not exactly busting a gut, but then he doesn't need to. What he needs to do is be in a position to pick up whoever Cleverley would be picking up... which he is. So basically, you're talking nonsense.
As for the third, It's not that he "doesn't want to track Silva" (which is nonsense) he just gets attracted to the ball for a split second and gets caught out by a good run and good pass. He'd have probably got away with it against poorer opposition, but against City you will get punished, and he did. Still, better and worse defenders will fall foul to the same kind of defending... and to be fair, the worst bit was that he sold himself far too easily to Silva's drag back, when he got himself back into a good position.
Finally, don't downplay his defending for the Tevez incident as being he "just tracked Tevez"... thats bullshit quite frankly. We lost the ball at the over side of the pitch due to a mistake, and Evra was high up the pitch (not a crime, as we had the ball and gave it away stupidly)... the way he got back, caught up to Tevez and prevented him from striking (all of which he had no right to do) was magnificent.
Ultimately, this is the 2012 Evra... you take the rough with the smooth. Thankfully, there is a lot more smooth then rough these days, and there was a lot more smooth then rough on Sunday.
It's not nonsense, it's obvious Cleverley was doing his job. They were both in pretty much same positions, and Cleverley felt responsible to track back eventough he is a midfielder, and Evra who is defender decided to stay high on the pitch(yes he was running back, but he should be at cleverley's position, and Cleverley should be jogging back instead of him).
Quite often he does that, eventough he should be marking his man and waiting the ball to come to him, but he decides to come forward and act as a defensive midfielder once again. There are few examples of this in recent years from him, see our champions league final. You could argue if I'm right in calling it "lack of wilingness to track back", but one thing's for sure, it's bad defending from him, he shouldn't be doing that.
I'm not downplaying it, Rio messed up the pass, and Evra did well to track back(eventough it could have been easily a penalty if Tevez decided to go down), but it was rather poor reaction from Tevez. Eventough Evra tracked back very well, Tevez should make more of that situation.
That doesn't make sense! When you're covering someones position, you literally do their job. That's what covering a position is. As soon as Evra loses the ball he is, be default, out of position. Cleverley therefore has to cover for him as he is in the best position to do so... and so because Cleverley is taking Evra's position is, Evra should then adopt Cleverley's until the next best possible opportunity to switch occurs.
If the man Clev tracks decides to hold up the ball, and waits for one of the men running from the halfway line to come in, and instead of marking that man, Evra has just legged it back to his left back position and double up with Cleverley, that really would be stupid wouldn't it?
No it wouldn't... it would have been a dive.
Evra's poor pass led to losing the ball, but actually Cleverley misplaced the pass, Evra could easily return to his position, he wasn't even out of his position tbf, since the ball was kicked upfield about 10 meters from them and his man in front of him, so he wasn't caught high on the pitch at all, but once again he decides to come upfront to head the ball, and doesn't win a header, so Cleverley has to cover him, while he stays high on the pitch.
No, it wouldn't, Evra was definitely all over him, and there was contact from the back. Not big contact, but it's enough to get you off balance, as Tevez body reaction shows.
Must've been somebody else wearing Evra's shirt as he dove in to try and block Silva from shooting then. If there's one surefire way of being right in this world it is reading your view and then taking the opposing one.
Watch the God damn video before jumping into discussion like paratrooper, Evra poor positioning is the only reason Silva got into a clear goalscoring position.
He tracked him though. You said he didn't. Seems strange he was so close to him really.
It would have been a penalty in my opinion if he did go down. Evra was all over his back and was fouling him at the time
Annihilate Now & ac talking much sense in this thread. Let the nitpickers nitpick, as ac said, Evra will only truly be appreciated again by some once he's no longer with us. Still a briliant brilliant Manchester United player with so much heart!
And the Tevez one was never a pen in a million years, ridiculous talk.
And the Tevez one was never a pen in a million years, ridiculous talk.
Agreed Evra is still a very good player and has a lot still to offer the team.
For me Tevez if he went down it would have been a penalty. Evra was fairly clearly in his back at one point. Even Evra knew he was in trouble at one point where he pulled back a bit. I wouldn't have any complaints if had tevez gone to ground that a penalty was given.
For me Tevez if he went down it would have been a penalty. Evra was fairly clearly in his back at one point. Even Evra knew he was in trouble at one point where he pulled back a bit. I wouldn't have any complaints if had tevez gone to ground that a penalty was given.
SAF is not even considering bringing in another player in his position. What the hell would we do if he was ruled out with an injury for 6 months?? Plays pretty much every game.
We have buttner as cover. Though not sure how comfortable I would be having to rely on him for an extended period. Evans apparently has played LB as well, but we would lose the attacking threat.
It should be to much of a problem next season, when fabio comes back though.
It should be to much of a problem next season, when fabio comes back though.
So you've moved on from "can't see his willingnes to track back" to "well, it was poor initially from Evra" ... a sure-fire sign that your initial criticism was unfounded really. Still, now your criticising him for losing the ball, and going up for a header instead of hanging back... poor play/judgement perhaps (but then what do you want him to do? Let the City player have a free jump at the ball?!), but not poor defensive work...
Come on guys. Contact does not equal a foul... and there was simply not enough contact to knock Tevez off balance enough that if, he fell over, it would look like a natural fall. For Tevez to go over in that instance he would have had to take a dive... (the actual fact that the he didn't even nearly fall over pretty much proves this point).
Do you honestly think if Tevez knew for sure he could have got a penalty out of the situation he wouldn't have gone down?
So what's the deal with Evra & Tevez.....are they still good mates?
I remember them and Park were inseparable during their time at United.
I remember them and Park were inseparable during their time at United.
You think that it would have been awarded a penalty, or it would have been really a penalty? Tevez didn't went down, if he would then it means that he would have dive. So, no pen.
Well, my main point is that he didn't defend well, I maybe used the wrong in saying it was "laziness" in that situation, eventough that is the clear case for first chance I mentioned with Balotelli or even one when Cleverley tracked back, but with Silva's chance it was more to poor defending from him. And I am not blaming him for losing the ball, I was just describing situation, nothing else.
Gary Neville said also if Tevez just fell down it would be a clear penalty too.
Welbeck got penalty if I'm not wrong for same thing against Bolton last year, when Knight was fouling him from the back, most of the people on caf said it should be a red card too.
If United player was in same situation as Tevez, I would call him an idiot for not going to the ground, he was completely out of balance, it would be obvious penalty.
I think the fact that Evra did his very best to avoid the contact could make the referee refuse to give it if Tevez went down.
Wait, now we are advocating people go down rather than trying to play? And then fans complain about the state of football these days.
Well I'll call you an idiot for thinking like that.
Wait, now we are advocating people go down rather than trying to play? And then fans complain about the state of football these days.
I don't like divers, but that wouldn't be a dive. Tevez is idiot, he put more effort in trying to stay on his feet, then trying to make a shot. Fair play to him for that, but I think he regrets that.
Nonsense Amar, it would've been a dive, not even debatable.
Well if you aren't trying to stay on your feet, your diving IMO. Let's agree to disagree there.
Both. Evra clearly was in the back of him and did foul him, just not to the point of actually bringing him to ground. While it likely would have been a case of going down easily, I don't think the ref would have had any other choice to award the spot kick.
Have to say watching it in real time I was worried Tevez would go down and a spot kick would have been rewarded. Even Mancini looked pissed he didn't go down.
Agreed. Could easily see it given had Tevez gone down - Evra bundled into his back a few times.
Yep watching live I had a massive "ah feck!" moment when I was just expecting an inevitable fall and spot kick. Was very relieved when nothing came from it
You should check Silva's reaction to Tevez not diving, it's even worse than Mancini's, despicable little cnut.
Tevez and Evra are very good friends off the pitch. Anyone think something like this effects footballers in some tiny way when on the pitch? Something like "I'll play fair when up against my mate".
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