I'd love to see the take from a certain former Guardian writer who now works for a political leader. It would be disgusting, no doubt.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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I'd love to see the take from a certain former Guardian writer who now works for a political leader. It would be disgusting, no doubt.
Describing the actions of killing civilians as terrorism, even when the group themselves think it as something else, is nothing new. Certainly it is not unique to ISIS or Al Quada. Countless shootings, hostage situation and the acts of Anders Breivik show that.
Terrorism is and always has been a label that can be applied as the media and government see fit.
As per the "in the name of terror" part, whilst ISIS might not have done this solely for terrors sake, they did indeed want to strike fear into the west
Well, presuming we're talking about the same person and presuming he's doing his job as media adviser, this is what he wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTyhXJBWwAA5W9I.jpg:large
Despicable, isn't it! how disappointed are you?
He's quite obviously not going to write the same thing he would have written prior to his current employment. Unless he wanted to get fired.
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Arson attack on mosque in Canada
http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/2015/11/15/peterborough-mosque-fire-under-investigation
Man threatens to fire-bomb mosque in Florida citing Paris as "the last straw"
https://clyp.it/dfkyawkr
http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/2015/11/15/peterborough-mosque-fire-under-investigation
Man threatens to fire-bomb mosque in Florida citing Paris as "the last straw"
https://clyp.it/dfkyawkr
You should look up the definition of terrorism.
This alternate view been posted yet?
Sad to hear this. Lived there just last year but a fund has been set up to raise money for repairs and $45k has been raised already. Strong community though.
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/4144T7
You'd have to be insufferably pedantic (or a member of ISIS) to call what happened in Paris anything other than terorrism. If the word has any meaning at all then it is blatantly intended to be used to describe events like these.
Makes me so sick watching Donald Trump standing on a public debate and talking about how it would have been better if the victims had guns and were allowed to carry it.
Yes, I'm sure hundreds of people all firing guns in a confined space would have prevented more people dying ...
Another account of what's been going wrong in the middle east:
The terrorists had explosives too so maybe everyone should carry grenades as well, just in case. Can't be too safe.
This term 'terrorism' is just getting stupid now. Yes, what happened in Paris is sad and innocent people died for no reason and it was an act of terrorism. However, countries such as UK, USA, France etc have committed thousands more acts of terrorism in the last 10 years in the middle east and unfortunately we are now seeing the consequences of this. You can't rape, pillage, destroy, terrorize nations and not expect the children of that nation who have seen their parents, cousins, family die for over a decade not want revenge.
Our lackluster governments has let it's people down and we are just fed complete crap in our media everyday and the truth is being hidden from us about what our governments really want from these countries we are at so-called 'war' with. A war is meant to include 2 sides by the way. I think genocide is a more relevant term.
Unfortunately, no one cares about the 100 or so dead in Paris. They are used as pawns so agendas can be pushed and forced without backlash from civilians or too many questions being asked. But then again, no one cares about the hundreds, thousands, close to millions who have died in the middle east over the last decade or so. I don't see no nationwide condemning or black bands for those people who die every day in absolute barbaric manner with some of the most sophisticated, devastating firepower being used on them daily.
It is worth having a look at the debunking of some of the internet myths propagaged over the last few days. Trump is a vile idiot, and I don't know about him 'in a public debate', but the infamous tweet associated with him regarding France's gun laws dates from the period of the Charlie Hebdo attacks. http://observers.france24.com/en/20151114-debunked-fake-images-paris-attacks-photos
Anonymous declares war on Islamic State
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...down/ar-BBn2jKh?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=mailsignoutmd
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...down/ar-BBn2jKh?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=mailsignoutmd
I wouldn't disagree with a lot of what you say (although I would strongly disagree with the accusation of genocide) but none of that changes the fact that what happened in Paris was a terrorist act. I'm no fan of the way the term has been hijacked by the US government for their "war on terror" but I also don't think we should let whatever distaste we might have for the US/UK foreign policy of the last few decades be used to excuse or justify what happened in Paris. Da'esh is a very real organisation, which is behind very real terrorist atrocities in the middle east and, now, closer to home.
Their underlying agenda is so malevolent and incompatible with a free and progressive society it does none of us any favours to try and pretend it's an inevitable consequence of western foreign policy. If nothing else, that's unfair on the many millions of people who live in that region and endured the same consequences of Bush/Blair policies without subscribing to such a vile ideology in response.
I have some sympathy for what rednev is saying, that their is no use lying to people and saying that the terrorists are committing these acts "solely to terrorise us", when in fact they are just carrying on what they have believed has been their divine duty for the last 1000 years.
Annonymous talks bullshit again. Shock!
When has any terrorist ever done something "soley to terrorise us"? They all have agendas, from lone wolf nutters to sophisticated organisations. They all believe their actions are justified, however fecked up that justification might be.
Tbf, you already said this. So I'm agreeing with you really.
If Anonymous actually did drain most of their money it'd be pretty funny.
What's the chances of that actually happening though?
Didn't their last war on them just result in a list of their Twitter accounts?
What's the chances of that actually happening though?
Didn't their last war on them just result in a list of their Twitter accounts?
Would be good if hackers did actually do things like this.
That is bullcrap. Those who commit this terror are usually people who were born and who grew up in the West. They never experienced their nations being destroyed. The attackers in Paris both in January and now appear to be mostly Western citizens. The London attackers were born in the UK and Jamaica. So obviously, there is much more behind that than people who lost their own "family".
Which nations did Western governments "rape, pillage, destroy, terrorize" for over a decade? The Iraq war was bullshit, any sane person recognizes it. The Afghanistan war was a result of terrorist attacks. We did not go there for fun. The bombing of Syria only happened because ISIS already existed and was massmurdering and massenslaving people. Of course they are attacking us now as revenge. But don't pretend we deserve it, because we were so cruel to them. They are the ones who kill people en masse, because they don't agree with their doctrine and who massenslave women to rape them.
Again bullcrap. Why would "our governments" want to commit genocide and against whom? Against Muslims? Are you insane? We are taking hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Muslims as refugees to protect them from precisely the evil that you are justifying here. But I guess that is just some invention of our "media" and These refugees don't actually exist, because some guy on a tinfoil hat blog said so.
You certainly don't care for them. You are using them push you anti-west agenda.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-paris-terrorist-in-suspected-gamergate-smear
Incredible.
Unfortunately, these kind of things happen all the times, media agenda is disgusting.
Incredible.
Unfortunately, these kind of things happen all the times, media agenda is disgusting.
God help the world if he gets into power.
Trolls photoshop gamergate critic, now this is being used as a brush to tar all gamergate supporters with. This is ironic considering the media decided to go with this narrative before they discovered it was photoshopped and now its the gamers' fault.
Veerender himself is no angel either
Don't agree with the slander against him but the slander against gamers was the precise reason for gamergate.
If he'd been an innocent Muslim the smears would have been much more justified.
1st world problems. Open your eyes. I dont have any anti-west agenda's lol. I just have a sense of realisation.
I genuinely think its hilarious yet it makes me very sad how you just mention war like its all fun and games. You mentioned Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria yet you question which countries have been destroyed by us? Imagine if everyday on bbc or cnn they report the death toll in these countries just like they did in Paris on the weekend and they just had a live update for 24 hours.
I think you really need to take a step back and understand that to every action there will be a consequence. So instead of you making some quite frank accusations about someone who you know nothing about you might want to engage your brain in future reference.
When innocent people die, it should rock the world just like Paris. Yet when innocent people die in the Middle East, no one batters an eye lid. This is the difference.
I care for humanity and so should you.
They may have grown up in the West but where does their ancestry lie? What is their culture? What is their mothertongue? These people have a deep connection with the land of their forefathers, so they have every right to feel some sort of grievance if they see their country being bombed to kingdom come. Many of them still have family back there. And the Iraq war precipitates a lot of this ill feeling. That is a cataclysmic mess from whichever way you look at it, but no one is really being held to account apart from the innocent Iraqi people, and the innocent victims of terror attacks that have been borne from that mess. Unless Blair, Bush et al are tried for war crimes, not many people are going to come around to the Western view on the Iraq war.
And the Afghan war, where do I start? The Taliban, after the US's intervention, is now one of the richest, most profitable drug cartels in the Eastern hemisphere (along with Hezbollah). The profits of their drug business is sitting in Swiss bank accounts. Their numbers have grown, their volatility has grown, their empire - so to speak - has grown. The US have royally fecked that up as well.
In terms of rape, pillage, etc that has been documented in places such as Bagram, Abu Ghraib, and the illegal incarceration of many, many detainees in Guantanamo Bay. It's galling seeing people make excuse after excuse for the US after they've had the biggest hand in this mess.
It's funny that you make such accusations when your whole post is about me and not about the points I made which showed why your "realisations" were false. The terrorist did not "see their parents, cousins, family die for over a decade". They were mostly home-grown and with heritage in countries that did not experience bombing. Your point was false.
Your point about genocide remains falls and you did not even try to give any substance to that accusations. Maybe should engage your brain before you spill such hatefull crap.
Our attacks in Afghanistan and Syria were the consequence of existing terror and massmurdering. But I guess your "caring about humanity" includes letting ISIS massmurder and massenslave people at will.
Ok, thanks. Utter Nutter
He is obviously an idiot too, but how is it possible that some newspaper use some random picture from the internet without even checking it first?
I doubt it would stop future attacks, in fact I imagine it would most likely have the opposite encourage further and any Muslims who are moderate in any shape or form will feel further victimised and the potential for radicalisation will be higher. One of the reasons why France and Paris in general are so vulnerable is because the Muslim population there was already extremely disenfranchised.
One rule for them and one rule for us has never really worked that well for society in the past.
That Molenbeek area in Brussels is really getting it from the police today.
I said our actions are closer to genocide. It's hardly a war is it when the death toll is in the millions dead from one side and in the very low thousands dead on the other now is it. Seems like a fair war to me. We all know that we did not enter these countries for the reasons that were originally given. Not to mention, the terrorist groups which we wage war against are generally formed, created and funded by our very own governments before we decide that they have become a threat.
I understand your emotions are high right now because of the events at the weekend and for good reason. But there is a bigger world out there and there are thousands of civilians being killed everyday which we don't hear about on the news. They don't get nations mourning over them or having emotional support, backing from nations swearing to protect and conquer. They die and only their families mourn. They have no protection and live in fear that a bomb could just wipe them out in a matter of seconds and this is their everyday struggle.
It's pretty common for a newspaper to report something before they've even checked it, the industry is fiercely competitive and having a possible scoop before your rivals is highly attractive to the point that they will not verify whether something is credible or not.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/article4614890.ece
Crazy. Really pisses me off.
And also this: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...antoine-griezmann-set-to-play-against-england
Just can't understand why it's being played. Maybe as an exhibition.
the club was not loved in the multicultural groups apparently