The Bataclan attack was carried out by people who had already shot people at a number of cafes. Seems the attackers came in and first of all strafed the bar. They then ordered people to lie on the floor and went along the mass of cowering people, many very young, machine gunning them at point blank range. Police negotiated with the attackers at first, by shouting and possibly using walkie talkies. Many escaped by hiding, or scrambling through exits or windows. Some people attempting escape through upstairs windows were forced to return and then to sit and watch the executions. When the police entered the room, they shot one armed man and the other two detonated their explosive belts, killing four more people. The story of the Stade de France attacks still needs to be told clearly. While the Bataclan killers took the lives of large numbers of people, four of the seven attackers seem to have died while causing very low or no casualities. One of them had a ticket to the France Germany game. But the security guy who frisked him found the suicide vest. The terrorist then backed off. Within minutes he blew himself up outside the stadium. Another of the attackers did the same outside the stadium near a McDonalds outlet.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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I know this is an emotive topic but that's a messed up post on so many accounts.
It's a messed up world bro.
Unfortunately a lot of people will agree with those views but too afraid to speak out.He's entitled to his opinion and I'm glad we still live in a society that can express them.
Haha, well aaaaall righty then. I think doubt is more than deserved when dealing with "two hardcore Albanians".
I hope you don't have too many other friends that pull out knifes regardless of what you're discussing.
Am I the only one who finds the response to this on social media incredibly depressing?
Obviously, you've got the nut-jobs at each end of the spectrum doing their usual moronic grand-standing. From "nuke 'em all" at one end extreme to "Paris deserved what it got" at another but even the more moderate responses are annoying me.
There's something about the rush to paint a tricolour on your profile page and post long-winded but ultimately hollow expressions of sympathy and outrage that jars somewhat. Every right-minded person will feel terrible over what's happened and hope that Paris/France can get back on an even keel as soon as possible. Will stuff I post on Facebook make any difference to how quickly this happens? Hell no. So why do I need everyone to know that I'm feeling the same as every other right-minded person feels right now?
Then you have the "why does nobody care about Lebanon?" crew. Of course we care about Lebanon but - like it or not - the relentless violence in that region over such a long period of time has desensitised people who don't live in that region to a certain background level of violence. Which is a shit state of affairs but it is what it is. It's obvious why the Parisian atrocities have garnered more attention and why people who live in Europe will feel that more directly affected and more likely to offer expressions of sympathy. So what's with the fecking point-scoring? It's hipster politicking. "Mourning for Paris is so main-stream, I'm gonna mourn for the Lebanon instead" (from an internet cafe fecking thousands of miles from Lebanon but mere hundreds of miles away from Paris)
But yeah, Facebook, Just about justified for baby snaps and holiday photos but makes me lose the will to live every time it is used to discuss anything more significant. Ugh.
Obviously, you've got the nut-jobs at each end of the spectrum doing their usual moronic grand-standing. From "nuke 'em all" at one end extreme to "Paris deserved what it got" at another but even the more moderate responses are annoying me.
There's something about the rush to paint a tricolour on your profile page and post long-winded but ultimately hollow expressions of sympathy and outrage that jars somewhat. Every right-minded person will feel terrible over what's happened and hope that Paris/France can get back on an even keel as soon as possible. Will stuff I post on Facebook make any difference to how quickly this happens? Hell no. So why do I need everyone to know that I'm feeling the same as every other right-minded person feels right now?
Then you have the "why does nobody care about Lebanon?" crew. Of course we care about Lebanon but - like it or not - the relentless violence in that region over such a long period of time has desensitised people who don't live in that region to a certain background level of violence. Which is a shit state of affairs but it is what it is. It's obvious why the Parisian atrocities have garnered more attention and why people who live in Europe will feel that more directly affected and more likely to offer expressions of sympathy. So what's with the fecking point-scoring? It's hipster politicking. "Mourning for Paris is so main-stream, I'm gonna mourn for the Lebanon instead" (from an internet cafe fecking thousands of miles from Lebanon but mere hundreds of miles away from Paris)
But yeah, Facebook, Just about justified for baby snaps and holiday photos but makes me lose the will to live every time it is used to discuss anything more significant. Ugh.
Apologies if this has already been posted.
Around here, I'd say its the sensible people who are afraid to speak out
Even something like BBC is known to fell for various trolls.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2021376/tw...c-star-wars-racist-homophobic-and-misogynist/
Same boat. And I'm Lebanese.
Facebook has been nothing but a nuisance for me during the past few days.
"Yo, bro, I'm like, so much more caring than you. I care about stuff you haven't even heard of..."
https://storify.com/JamilesLartey/on-fff
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...coverage-paris-attacks-not-just-media-s-fault
I agree, particularly the thing about the profile pics. The "Je Suis Charlie" thing was the same.
I couldn't stop myself from cracking a small laugh to be honest.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Because I do feel like a bit of a cnut for finding something so well-meaning as annoying as I do. I guess I find the whole platform so fluffy and trivial (not to mention nakedly commercial) it seems wrong when it's used to address stuff which is so significant.
That's an interesting, and chilling, article. I don't know how accurate it is but it certainly sets me thinking.
Glibly, the Muslims I grew up with were the generation depicted in “East is East”. Manchester working class families, with kids who seemed more interested in their personal lives, and living in modern Britain, than their religious and cultural heritage. It wasn’t difficult for me to connect to them or understand them.
Inevitably, my friends back then were even more “like me” – basically we were in grammar school preparing to be the first kids from our families to go to University, and being female wasn’t going to stop that. A friend, whose parents came from Pakistan, attended mosque and said that for her, “arranged marriage” wouldn’t exist though she might hesitate if they didn’t approve (which sounded fair enough). In as much as religion mattered to her, she acted as if it could be redirected and modernised to fit in with the life she wanted. Naively I thought that was the future.
What’s so frightening to me is that 40 years on it’s our “home grown” terrorists at the heart of many of these attacks. Sometimes you can see the personal issues – problems with friends/family, petty crime or addiction, unemployment, a sense they have been disenfranchised or isolated from the world. But of course it’s not always so easy, there are doctors and engineers, married men with young families and seemingly normal lives in there as well. There is clearly a strong philosophical pull in there, as well as a negative psychological push
To be honest the Je Suis Charlie thing annoyed me more because it seemed to me a lot of the people saying that were quite selective in their celebration of free speech. It seemed to me a lot of them were the same people you see in Twitter lynch mobs attacking people who dared to say something a bit controversial, making it more hypocritical. The profile pic thing is, as you say, well meaning, and harmless, but yeah, a bit hollow.
Funny to see people on my FB discussing politics and ISIS. You have these people who only think about partying suddenly becoming experts in world politics and history. I do not want to imply that I feel smarter than these people but for feck sake, I doubt they even know who Assad is. The things they said were ridicilous. 
Couldn't agree more. It's all a bit embarrassing.
Yup this is pretty much the thought I have been having on the subject the last few days to be honest.
A raid in Brussels as ended negative.
9/11 - 7/7 - 3/11 - lockerbie - munich etc , etc , etc. the problem with your post doesn't end with those dates and cities. it's the silliness of the bolded part in which people from the middle east kll more of their own without batting an eye. so reel your neck in gandhi! get real and look at the death toll in the ME at the hands of people living there. in the west we fear first generation "home grown" terrorists and are looking for a solution. IN the ME they are not. truth.
the one in france was a succes , over 20 arrested , a grenade launcher , lots of weapons , police gear and clothing where found
So the attacks were masterminded by a belgian national, currently residing in Syria where we're obviously unable to reach him.
French President will address a joint session of the parliament today and try to get permission for extending the emergency period to 3 months.They are kind of exploiting the fact that there is an incredible amount of fear in the people of France right now.
Never really understood the modern Facebook, I used to get that it helped people stay in touch etc, but right now it just works in such a negative way. People seem to believe everything they see on there, and must be seen to have the right profile pictures or 'like' the right status and the reverse is that people use situations like this to justify their racial prejudices.
I've just done my best not to react to any of this stuff, it winds me up no end. It's so disgustingly shallow it closes in on insulting but is a typical narrsastic reaction of social media.
Could not agree more. I really fecking hate social media.
And that is false. "We" don't attempt to wipe out any ethnic or religious group. That's what a genocide is about. Genocide is a more accurate caption for ISIS' actions in Syria. They are clearly determined to wipe out Shias and Jezidis, for example. We don't attempt to wipe out Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians or Muslim in general. In fact, we are taking many of them as refugees to help them.
I am aware of that, but that is not the matter of our discussion. We are discussing your claim that it's them who are committing terrorist attacks when it's not. There is no evidence that any major terrorist attack in the west was carried out by peaceful people who were just minding their own business until the west bombed their family and thus turned them to terrorism. Most were home-grown and never experienced bombing. There is no doubt that ISIS and others try to recruit people in Afghanisat, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere by blaming the west for their sufferings. But fact is that it's other people who commit terrorism in the west. So there is much more to it and it's ludicrous to suggest that it's all our own fault for bombing their countries, most of which we bombed after terrorism set foot there.
It's a very natural reaction. People feel better when they express their emotions. And people hope to find like-minded people and share what they think. What's the problem with that? Will it change anything? No. Neither will your post. Yet you had to express your feelings on an internet forum about other people expressing their emotions on Facebook looking for other people who think and feel the same like you, just like those people on Facebook. Quite ironic, isn't it?
It's a very natural reaction. People feel better when they express their emotions. And people hope to find like-minded people and share what they think. What's the problem with that? Will it change anything? No. Neither will your post. Yet you had to express your feelings on an internet forum about other people expressing their emotions on Facebook looking for other people who think and feel the same like you, just like those people on Facebook. Quite ironic, isn't it?
The anonymity on here makes the two scenarios non-comparable. That's what I find so wrong with so many things that happen on Facebook. Whether it's someone being an asshole, or offering condolences for people they've never met. They're doing it to be noticed. In real life. As an actual person, not some username on a message board. That's an entirely different type of motivation to what drives us lot to chew the fat on here and it's that motivation which I find problematic.
It's because people constantly spend their time using Facebook to project a certain image for themselves. So anything like this is more about what they'd like you to think about them than the actual circumstances.
Madonna's improv speech at her concert wound me up. It was all about her. "For me this has been terrible" "I've really struggled with this news" "I thought, can I do this show tonight". Call me an amateur psychologist but the wording of it all laid bare just how egocentric she is.
Lol ok bush. The solution is to spend billions and billions on bombing the shit out of a country. That should get rid of the terrorists.
I disagree. People lie and brag on internet forums despite being anonymous. People go on internet forums to gather attention despite noone really knowing them personally. So anonymity does not make much of a difference. A lot of anonymous attention seekers seem to get satisfaction from such actions despite the anonymity. I don't see anything wrong with expressing sorrow on Facebook. It's a vehicle to express their emotions and to relate with people.
Glad someone else finds it annoying. I can't stand it.
A girl on my Facebook news feed shared an article about Jason manford's comment which she says she fully agreed with - he basically calls the terrorists every name under the sun etc. Then a few posts later she writes that it was an inside job and the attack is western propaganda.
People like that only have themselves at mind even throughout events like on Friday which is quite sad really.
People like that only have themselves at mind even throughout events like on Friday which is quite sad really.
I try to avoid political discussions on FB with these people, I must have unfollowed five 'friends' since Friday for ramming it down my throat that I don't care about Lebanon or some other place they only heard about over the weekend. Today I've asked a couple if they're so concerned about ISIS attacking Lebanon or whoever, why don't they go and help the Kurds like this dude - https://storify.com/JamilesLartey/on-fff - and a few other dozen or so Westerners who have actually proven they care by going there. No responses as of yet, and it'll be on to the next trendy issue by next week.
Charlie Brooker did a show on Channel 4 called How Videogames Changed The World. It was mostly a standard countdown of influential games since the 80's but what was interesting and something I've never thought about, was the game that top the list Twitter. Brooker does a pretty good job at explaining how most of us to a certain degree treat social media as a sort of video game to use he own words ''it's a massively multiplayer online RPG in which you chose am avatar and act out a persona loosely based on yourself in order to gain followers''(Getting likes on RedCafe).
Lol bush , good one. No I'm in the camp that bombs whether from planes or vests are not the answer but to blame the west is complete bullshit when Isis or other groups in the ME kill their own more than westerners and they turn a blind eye to it or they'd be in the streets protesting in massive numbers , the lack of said demonstrations looks to me like turning a blind eye to the problem of institionalized terrorism. Where are the moderate voices from the region. Because unless they're heard from bombs will be dropped or go off. Tribalism.