Yeah good example, so all american cops are gun-touting racists who shoot black people at every possibility? We need to talk about reforms to the american society.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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Yeah good example, so all american cops are gun-touting racists who shoot black people at every possibility? We need to talk about reforms to the american society.
Very well put. "Religion is not the problem". Can't hear it anymore.
18 year old kamikaze pilots fighting for Japan in WW II? People enlisting in the army below the age of 18 to fight for democracy?
Of course it is an issue. Probalby less than 1% of gun owners in america have killed someone with a gun. Is the moderate gun policy in america still one of the major reasons for so many shot people? Of course it is. It's the same with religion and especially Islam. It's a weapon that needs to be dealt with properly.
You still haven't explained why it happens more in Islam than Christianity.
And the number of racists in America is far more than 1 percent.
Is religion the main motivator behind african child armies too?
I never said it's the main motivator. It IS a motivator though. A big one. And a big problem.
Why does it have to be one or the other? To get the best results both need to work together. The vast bulk of domestic counter terrorism work is done within UK police forces on specified units. These police forces are undergoing massive budget reductions year after year. Don't you see the implications of this? Firearms units are being reduced not only bobbies on the beat as such.
Intelligence is gathered from the Police and specialist intelligence units. The simple fact is you need the resources and manpower to undertake intelligence gathering, prevention and to offer a suitable response.
If they were manipulated to do that then they would, instead they're manipulated to kill Westerners.
I haven't done my research, but how many of the school shooters in America are religious? Why do they kill loads of people? It's human DNA, there will always be a small percentage of people in the world who simply want to kill other human beings. It's just groups like ISIS are very good at spotting those that are easily manipulated/brain washed and or find people who simply want to kill for the sake of killing.
Right. And in this case the weapon is ISIS not Islam. A similar analogy would be asking to remove all guns from america rather than having stricter laws and ensuring civilians dont have access to them.
I would explain it if I knew whether that has held true over the course of history or not. If its only happening in this century, then again its pretty obvious that its due to factors outside of Islam.
We don't though. THEY have to talk about it if they want to live here. They can do whatever they want where they live imo. Go on, kill yourself for your believes. But if you try to take those idiotic and fundamentalist ideas to a place that has gone through hundreds of years to reach a point of reason they can frankly go and feck themselves.
Christ, you lot really want to talk about Religion in the wrong thread.
So why are adherents of Islam manipulated to be massively more violent than their Christian counterparts?
SO. ALL. AMERICAN. COPS. ARE. RACIST?
Erm..are you aware of african child armies? Has almost nothing to do with religion. Thats kinda why I chose them as an example, to back up my point
It's quite obviously not. ISIS uses it, ISIS believes in it. It pulls the trigger.
It's utterly impossible to reform Islam from the outside. Not that Islam is the problem -- it's the extreme minority branch of Islam which is the problem. This branch cannot be reformed. It is quite literally impossible. So talk of Islamic reform is completely pointless.
I can't wait until you two are threadbanned.
No, it's pretty obvious that Christianity was just as horrible and violent as all the other religions. It's just that through Enlightenment values and secular governance we were able to convince them to not be as crazy. The difference is that no one has been able to reform Islam in the same way.
What discussion do you think we should be having here? The motivations of the perpetrators and the causes for that seem pretty relevant.
If someone or group was using my religion and giving it a bad name; i'd assume it was largely our directive to sort it out. The silence is riveting.
I think Ken Livingstone's speech after 7/7 was excellent and still appropriate here.
Not Religion as that was already told SEVERAL times by the Moderators to be pushed into a different thread.
Tell me what discussion you think we should be having. Because several moderators have also discussed religion in this thread.
Agreed. Islam doesn't need to be reformed though. It's the same crap as every other religious blief. It won't change. It's the way ppl that believe in it handle it though. Handle religion.
For all your colors, you've still failed to explain what the discussion should be about. Whether you like it or not, religion and politics are inextricably linked to Islamic extremism.
Basically this thread will disappear off the bottom of the page and the whole discussion will move to the other one.
I presume we're not allowed to talk about the Paris shootings and religion in the same thread in case it offends someone?
Think it's fairly obvious Eboue.
This:
Breaking News: Shooting in Paris
Not this:
Take the religion talk to the appropriate thread
This old chestnut.
What do you want? An apology from 1.6bn minus 500,000 for what happened?
Every single scholar has condemned the attack, every single Muslim organisation has done so too. So what do you want?
Your post is embarrassing.
Im sure you can talk about it in the same thread, it's just this one was about the Paris shootings themselves, not about Islam being or not being evil. I'm not sure if we should even talk about what the response should be, but that at least is more relevant.
So what you want is a news ticker? Try BBC or CNN. This is a discussion forum.
According to Sky News:
Not a good sign given he was known to the Police.
Not a good sign given he was known to the Police.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...what-do-the-different-names-mean-9750629.html
The worlds western media legitimises ISIS. The muslims are the ones that know they are a bunch of nut jobs, just like every Muslim has said it again and again in this thread. They are literally screaming:
"ITS NOT US. THEY ARE JUST NUT JOBS"
Oh sorry I forgot, every terrorist attack is the big bad West's fault for poor policies. Rest of the other things doesn't matter.
Might as well not leave your house mate. Breaking news, they could be everywhere and you wouldn't know it.
Why should i be embarrassed? It should be fought from the inside. Not from the outside; it will just lead to a world war. Thats embarrassing.
Go complain to the mods. I don't make the rules but I am trying to obey them which is difficult when other mods like yourself make your own rules up.