Everything is to do with human nature, so yes that is a very weak argument, there are always specifics and the answers are usually fairly complex.
Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th
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Everything is to do with human nature, so yes that is a very weak argument, there are always specifics and the answers are usually fairly complex.
You just get the feeling that his is going to change the world again somehow.
You'd think that would be very hard to plan without security services getting wind of it.
But to be fair, probably far too early to speculate. Let's just hope the raid went as well as could be hoped.
Scary...Such a compact space, looking at this pic. Awful stuff.
The panic must have been horrific. Out, having a good time, a few drinks and then that, those poor people.
They are saying its over the siege on the concert hall.
Just not confirmed how many survived.
Just not confirmed how many survived.
People really show their ignorance at times like these. I admit I'm ignorant in a way, I don't know much about religions other than my own (Christianity) but I'm pretty sure it is not teaching people to do this shit. It is people with fecked up minds, who brainwash others into thinking this is the right thing to do and using a religion as almost an excuse to do what they, in their own heads feel is correct. That's where terrorism begins - in peoples heads - not in the teachings of religions.
This is why I'm disappointed in the absence of clear supreme figures for the main branches of Islam. If such figures existed, they would have more credibility in calling out whoever dares tarnishing the image of the religion through savage acts. Sometimes, I compare the current state of Islam with the lot of US neo-Christian shit-talking preachers who breed hatred.
They are saying it is a carnage inside. The amount of casualties is going to rise considerably.
What the heck @MajorTom.
Apparently someone who worked for homeland security said it was due to the organisation of the attacks.
3 hrs to make an assault, absolutely terrible.
do you think the NI problems are about religion? Of course not. Its politics as is this. Religion is just an excuse.
Read on another forum that there's been an arson attack on a refugee camp in Calais.
Shocking, but not surprising. I'll update with a source if I find one.
Shocking, but not surprising. I'll update with a source if I find one.
You'd imagine so at an Eagles of Death Metal concert.
It isn't to do with religion; it isn't to do with Muslims; it's to do with theologically consistent Islam.
Oh really? Hasnt been mentioned here, only that the 2 terrorists were killed.
Scroll back a couple of pages.
A tweet has been posted on here a few pages above.
Yeah Sudanese
Can't even imagine how utterly insane it would be attempting to escape from a packed gig with people shooting wildly. I literally cannot fathom it. Don't understand how anyone could even move.
Yep they're covering it on the French media. Sounds really, really bad.
Had to unignore to see what you were replying to then @phelans shorts, disgusting @MajorTom have a fecking word with yourself.
now is not the time to blame the police imo, perhaps they thought there were bombs?
People really need to think carefully when posting at times like this.. I can understand why some feel the need to attack religion and others feel the need to get overly defensive. . Now is not the type for petty squabbles.
The existence of the free world as we know it is at stake with attacks like this, no matter what creed you're of, it is something which affects us all. Peoples lives have been lost. We're all at risk.. these attacks have a really scary feel to them, they feel so close rather than the big terror attacks we are used to. Its clearly a deliberate tactic but its working. . People are feeling very emotional about these attacks because they feel all too real.
I think some of the posts in relation to criticising refugees is silly, there is no way coordinated attacks like these is anything other than french nationals in my opinion. Bringing a debate such as letting refugees into this disaster is inappropriate especially as nothing indicates refugees have anything to do with this, furthermore if anything these attacks are just a brief glimpse of what they're escaping from. Many face this on a daily basis back home.
I think the West needs to confront ISIS head on in a united effort especially if they're found to be behind these attacks. Tightening up security at home, whilst remaining fair and true to the rule of law and combined ground forces - has to be a priority. We can't hide away, theyll keep recruiting, keep raping and killing.. we can't stand by.. they'll soon be in Europe doing the same thing.
No point killing the head of the snake I.e. Jihadi John. . This isn't Al Qaeda, this is more like fighting the Hydra, we have to obliterate them wholly and completely as far as we can. I understand the fear that there is a guerilla war element to contend with but we have to try tàking out their strongholds and scare them into hiding. You'll never eradicate such a threat permanently but you can weaken it and reduce the risk the western world currently faces.
The existence of the free world as we know it is at stake with attacks like this, no matter what creed you're of, it is something which affects us all. Peoples lives have been lost. We're all at risk.. these attacks have a really scary feel to them, they feel so close rather than the big terror attacks we are used to. Its clearly a deliberate tactic but its working. . People are feeling very emotional about these attacks because they feel all too real.
I think some of the posts in relation to criticising refugees is silly, there is no way coordinated attacks like these is anything other than french nationals in my opinion. Bringing a debate such as letting refugees into this disaster is inappropriate especially as nothing indicates refugees have anything to do with this, furthermore if anything these attacks are just a brief glimpse of what they're escaping from. Many face this on a daily basis back home.
I think the West needs to confront ISIS head on in a united effort especially if they're found to be behind these attacks. Tightening up security at home, whilst remaining fair and true to the rule of law and combined ground forces - has to be a priority. We can't hide away, theyll keep recruiting, keep raping and killing.. we can't stand by.. they'll soon be in Europe doing the same thing.
No point killing the head of the snake I.e. Jihadi John. . This isn't Al Qaeda, this is more like fighting the Hydra, we have to obliterate them wholly and completely as far as we can. I understand the fear that there is a guerilla war element to contend with but we have to try tàking out their strongholds and scare them into hiding. You'll never eradicate such a threat permanently but you can weaken it and reduce the risk the western world currently faces.
Still, that doesn't make any sense when one knows that AQ is currently fighting for its own survival against ISIS.
we are all emotional and post stuff we will regret tomorrow.
Its madness what we are seeing.
What was the context of that post? Seemed fecked up...
He's been banned for a week.
Not sure how people can post things like that on a night where dozens of people have been killed.
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. I've been at a few gigs where the crowd crush was scary enough on its own, let alone with a panic like this. It'd be terrifying.
Yeah it's a best a cop out answer that doesn't give us any solutions to the problems or even move the debate forward.As you said these answers will be complex but to completely dismiss the Religious aspect is odd(If not slightly understandable)
If the entirety of Europe - especially Germany - is not seriously reconsidering their border and immigration laws then there will be major repercussions going forward. These crazy feckers will destroy Europe from within. It is the classic "Trojan Horse" effect.
The guy on Sky News thought that was fast for an operation of that kind, that they can last for days
There was none. He just came out with it.
It's Friday the 13th today 
As always, the truth is on the middle. It is both psychos doing this stuff in the name of religion, but also it is naive to say that there isn't nothing in religion that doesn't preach violence. Of course, it can be interpreted in different ways, but Jihad is something that comes directly from Quran.
Anyway, just read for this half an hour ago, and it really is heartbreaking. RIP to the victims.
Looks that French intelligence has failed. 7 coordinated attacks in the same day is too much.
I agree with Vato and DT that I wouldn't care for government to spy on me, if it avoids this king of stuff.
And completely agree with others who say that a ground assault won't fix anything. Leaving the Middle East alone, and cutting all economic ties with UAE, Qatar and most importantly, the Evil Empire, might fix something.
pretty much agree with most of this. But realistically I feel there will need to be some 'profiling' at least in our own countries. This will be uncomfortable for all but it has to be done. Take out Mosul and other strongholds from the sky.