Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th

Just heard a Bataclan witness speak to CNN, saying that the terrorists didn't say anything, just started shooting people, who were screaming and had already laid on the ground covering their heads. The terrorists didn't wear any masks and one of them looked very young, probably in his 20's.

I think he said he was able to escape while the gunmen were reloading.

Absolutely sickening stuff.
 
Sadly these kinds of actions are going to continue to rise. ISIS is the greatest threat humanity has faced since Hitler, and yet people refuse to see it, bury their head in the sand or say this has happened because of this or that (maybe it did, but that is gone, its about what we do now).

All this pussy footing around about what should nations should do against them has allowed them to grow and spread their message of hatred exponentially. Air strikes alone are never going to solve anything, they haven't in the past and are proving they aren't now.
 
Sylar said:
They are saying its over the siege on the concert hall.

Just not confirmed how many survived.
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If one of my kids was in there, I'd be glad the police went in, regardless of the outcome. I'd rather they died quickly than undergo God knows what. It does sound, though, that there are a lot dead - murdered before the police went in.
 
Kakeru said:
Still, that doesn't make any sense when one knows that AQ is currently fighting for its own survival against ISIS.
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AQ could be doing it for the publicity, IS has been very successful in recruiting a lot of people due to their high publicity attacks and the high profile on social media.
 
Go easy on the gags and inappropriate posts please lads. A few warnings have already been dished out as it is. Tread carefully y'all. Ta.
 
Scores dead and more hatred created in the world. Makes me incredibly angry and sad that the terrorists largely get what they want from these situations.

Lives and families ruined being caught in the cross fire of such a crazy world :(
 
Livvie said:
If one of my kids was in there, I'd be glad the police went in, regardless of the outcome. I'd rather they died quickly than undergo God knows what. It does sound, though, that there are a lot dead - murdered before the police went in.
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Its truly sad. Ive been to a number of intimate settings in London to see a few rock gigs. Last one I went to, it really is tight when the main act comes on. Limited movement, you basically are a sitting duck (with only really one or two exits).
 
Redlambs said:
It is bloody fast. Imagine having to make that call?

No way they were going to rush in, especially with bombs involved.
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I hope hostage rescue forces around the world have already thought up and trained new "templates" which contemplate this situation. Its not really a hostage situation, its a slow massacre. I know they can't go in without checking building blue prints, making up some kind of plan, positioning and then executing. But compared to the traditional hostage takings where they can spend hours and hours listening and preparing with no real costs (lives), these new kinds of situations require police to really accelerate their planning time, and yes go in less prepared.
 
Facebook has a thing where it asks you to tag yourself as "safe" if your location is marked as Paris. Very silly, but seeing the notifications of friends tagging themselves as safe is a great sight.
 
Raees said:
People really need to think carefully when posting at times like this.. I can understand why some feel the need to attack religion and others feel the need to get overly defensive. . Now is not the type for petty squabbles.

The existence of the free world as we know it is at stake with attacks like this, no matter what creed you're of, it is something which affects us all. Peoples lives have been lost. We're all at risk.. these attacks have a really scary feel to them, they feel so close rather than the big terror attacks we are used to. Its clearly a deliberate tactic but its working. . People are feeling very emotional about these attacks because they feel all too real.

I think some of the posts in relation to criticising refugees is silly, there is no way coordinated attacks like these is anything other than french nationals in my opinion. Bringing a debate such as letting refugees into this disaster is inappropriate especially as nothing indicates refugees have anything to do with this, furthermore if anything these attacks are just a brief glimpse of what they're escaping from. Many face this on a daily basis back home.

I think the West needs to confront ISIS head on in a united effort especially if they're found to be behind these attacks. Tightening up security at home, whilst remaining fair and true to the rule of law and combined ground forces - has to be a priority. We can't hide away, theyll keep recruiting, keep raping and killing.. we can't stand by.. they'll soon be in Europe doing the same thing.

No point killing the head of the snake I.e. Jihadi John. . This isn't Al Qaeda, this is more like fighting the Hydra, we have to obliterate them wholly and completely as far as we can. I understand the fear that there is a guerilla war element to contend with but we have to try tàking out their strongholds and scare them into hiding. You'll never eradicate such a threat permanently but you can weaken it and reduce the risk the western world currently faces.
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What free world is this that you are talking about? If you need money to eat and to house yourself, it ain't free. Freedom is an illusion otherwise people can just do what they want - providing it's not messing up other peoples lives. The real problem is megalomania and the fact there are agendas that go beyond most peoples scope. Sad to say it, but nights like to night? Some people are rubbing their hands together because of an agenda. These things are seen as opportunitys to remove the freedoms you think exist
 
SKy are saying there was 60-100 at that concert. I cannot believe that for a second. Eagles of Death Metal are a reasonably well known band, I'm sure, sadly, that there will have been more there.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
I hope hostage rescue forces around the world have already thought up and trained new "templates" which contemplate this situation. Its not really a hostage situation, its a slow massacre. I know they can't go in without checking building blue prints, making up some kind of plan, positioning and then executing. But compared to the traditional hostage takings where they can spend hours and hours listening and preparing with no real costs (lives), these new kinds of situations require police to really accelerate their planning time, and yes go in less prepared.
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Indeed. But this one was done incredibly fast under the circumstances.
 
onlyoneunited said:
Sadly these kinds of actions are going to continue to rise. ISIS is the greatest threat humanity has faced since Hitler, and yet people refuse to see it, bury their head in the sand or say this has happened because of this or that (maybe it did, but that is gone, its about what we do now).

All this pussy footing around about what should nations should do against them has allowed them to grow and spread their message of hatred exponentially. Air strikes alone are never going to solve anything, they haven't in the past and are proving they aren't now.
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This. People better remember how tough and yet necessary those bloody battles against the Nazis and other Axis forces were in order to insure the survival of democracy.

70 years after the end of WW2, Western countries must dig deep and find that cold-bloodedness of old which was so instrumental in finishing off the threats from Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo.
 
Duffy said:
SKy are saying there was 60-100 at that concert. I cannot believe that for a second. Eagles of Death Metal are a reasonably well known band, I'm sure, sadly, that there will have been more there.
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Pretty sure it's not at the concert but still inside as hostages. A lot of people escaped
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Facebook has a thing where it asks you to tag yourself as "safe" if your location is marked as Paris. Very silly, but seeing the notifications of friends tagging themselves as safe is a great sight.
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It's a nice idea, a friend of mine just popped up on it. It's the ones who don't check Facebook often and wouldn't think to check in that are going to worry people.
 
Cina said:
Pretty sure it's not at the concert but still inside as hostages. A lot of people escaped
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Yeah, apparently the hostages were that number but Sky keep saying that was the total number there, which is what I very much doubt. Just hope too many more in excess of that 100 were not injured badly, or that the initial estimate are low, which would be worse case scenario.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Facebook has a thing where it asks you to tag yourself as "safe" if your location is marked as Paris. Very silly, but seeing the notifications of friends tagging themselves as safe is a great sight.
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They had that for the Nepal Earthquake. Few friends of mines were out there at the time and that was the only way anyone knew they were safe as they couldn't contact anyone else. Great feature.
 
NOS: According to French Police, attackers made a massacre at bataclan.
This is awful, those poor kids.
 
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