As usual any criticism of Pakistan always results in an immediate, irrelevant whataboutery in India. The obsession is staggering.
For what it's worth, almost to a man, every Indian on here is anti-Modi.
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As usual any criticism of Pakistan always results in an immediate, irrelevant whataboutery in India. The obsession is staggering.
For what it's worth, almost to a man, every Indian on here is anti-Modi.
Arnab is a joke. I don't know in how many ways this can be said. I knew that he had crazy power over Indian viewers but I didn't know he infected brains across the border too.
Honestly, do not watch Arnab.
Unless their opinions have changed that's not true. The last black currency India thread had a lot of posters defending modi and I remember reading that km voted for modi, maybe even tmh.
The correct way to put this is tmh voted for modi and maybe even km, not the other way around.
No km definitely voted, tmh I am not sure about but he did support him a lot in the old days.
Think a lot of us hoped demon might work,basically because we wanted some action taken. But to label those who defended it as Modi bakhts would be a bridge too far.. Besides I think a majority of us are from South India where the BJP doesnt even have much base.. My state has hardly a seat for them..
That said @KM is actually a big critique of the whole demonitization process.. He thought it should have been implemented after gst and eway bill was introduced and that the govt fecked up..
Yeah like I said his opinion might certainly have changed over modi in the last couple of years.
There hasnt been a thread on indian politics or India recently so cant say with certainty but it has thats good.
I don't have a single post in that black money thread. @MJJ is obsessed with me to be fair, so it's not a surprise that he's lying again.
Oh and BTW when you're calling someone a bigot, atleast have the decency to tag them.
Took a two second caf search.
You literally implied that I defended him a lot in black money thread.
And yes I voted for Modi, because the alternative was Congress and Rahul Gandhi. Would I vote for him again? Nah, not a chance particularly there might be a chance that adityanath would become a prominent BJP leader.
Please point out to me where I have said in that quote that you defended modi in the black currency thread. A mod really should have better reading comprehension before accusing people of lying.
Nah I'm okay with me calling you a liar. Personally I also think you're an hypocrite who don't give a shit about human being as long as they're not Muslims. Your whataboutism in this thread has been outstanding too
Nah I'm okay with me calling you a liar. Personally I also think you're an hypocrite who don't give a shit about human being as long as they're not Muslims. Your whataboutism in this thread has been outstanding too
Talking about whataboutism.
Its okay Karan, I will accept your apology.
Glad we've sorted this out then. Upwards and onwards.
Really happy that you're concerned about the killings of human beings due to cow in India, I hope it gets the maximum media attention in international media and the perpetrators and the people supporting this rot in jail forever. Just hope that you'd show the same compassion about the state of minorities in Pakistan, but guess that's too much ask from you.
Somebody lashes out when they are embarrassed. When I create a thread about muslims in India for cheap point scoring then you can accuse me of stooping to your level.
What can you do when one of them have had zero interactions with anyone outside of some forum where he got trolled. And also it’s naive to think they assume this unknowingly. Some might be thick as a brick but most aren’t.
When I create a thread about muslims in India for cheap point scoring then you can accuse me of stooping to your level.
Hey I'm just asking you to show compassion man, shouldn't be tough. Humans are humans mate.
Err is this thread about India too?
I will stop replying now. Hope you take some reading comprehension classes before our next interaction and I am glad that you have moved past cheap point scoring threads atleast, with time we will eventually manage to get you to move past cheap point scoring posts.
We are with you KM, you are not alone.
Err is this thread about India too?
Well we were once part of India
Anyways, back to the thread topic.
The US cutting aid to Pakistan seems to be in line with some greater strategy, first cutting the 65m funding to helping Palestine refugees and then cutting aid to us. From our perspective, I hope we use this opportunity to distant ourselves from the US and Trump as much as possible, start charging NATO for using our borders and build better relationships with our neighbours rather than catering to Americans.
I've no doubt about others, but given your posting history here and me being of a different religion, I really don't think you're but anyhow back to the topic about Imran Khan being a cnut about Ahmedi Muslims.
Nice deflect there. Well done.
Thanks, the aid has already been reduced significantly from past levels and given that this has been going on for some time there are contingent plans in place. We are relying more on Europe, Russia and China for military training and weapons nowadays.
I don't think Pakistan has benefited much with allying with America, the only thing Pakistan have been good for the US is being a doormat, with Trump being an isolationist and Pakistan getting closer to Russia and China i can see why he would see it as good news.
No not really. This response was a bit of immaturity on my partI. It's more me being a little pissed that one of my threads was locked without a chance of anyone interacting with me and someone I like being called a bigot unfairly.
This is the kind of stuff I'd like to know. The only south Indians I know are on this forum. The only time I took an interest in the Kerela floods was after I saw the video from that dickhead Arnab. Before then I had no idea about the extent of them. Unfortunately I think my thread was locked unfairly.
Yep, 100%. Short term pain, long term gain. Pakistan and America don't have a lot of mutual interests, we're not natural allies, we're only trying to be thier ally out of fear of being thier enemy. Thier aid comes with tonnes of strings attached and it's used as a bribe to keep our elite in line. Let's hope Imran Khan can look beyond lining his own pockets.
My parents were born in occupied Kashmir before partition. We can trace our family tree to the same area of Kashmir (Jammu technically) for as long as we have records. They and my grandparents were some of the victims of partition and left with nothing as villages in the distance burnt in the night. The 1940's surely has to go down in history as one of the most cursed decades. We now live in AJK only a few Km away from our ancestral lands.
Thanks. I came across his video on twitter. I know he hates Pakistan, but I didn't know he was Indian Katie Hopkins.
Err is this thread about India too?
It's like a couple who had a bad divorce.
At this point in my life I am a big fan of Imran Khan. So anything I say could be considered biased.
You can call him a lot of things but bigot isn't one of them. He's never discriminated against anyone. He's still on good terms with his white Jewish ex in laws, he's a Pakistani leader who holidays in India, he hired an Ahmadi for a high profile role as an advisor at a time where some parliamentarians were abusing people of that faith in Parliament itself to score points to gain popularity with the bigots in the community, in an effort to keep out of prison (Nawaz sharif son in law). He supports the role of women in society and shocked the world when he talked about pre/post natal care in his victory acceptance speech.
Is there bigotry against Ahmadi in Pakistani society? 100% unfortunately. Is Imran Khan a bigot... No evidence of that yet.
You can call him a lot of things but bigot isn't one of them. He's never discriminated against anyone. He's still on good terms with his white Jewish ex in laws, he's a Pakistani leader who holidays in India, he hired an Ahmadi for a high profile role as an advisor at a time where some parliamentarians were abusing people of that faith in Parliament itself to score points to gain popularity with the bigots in the community, in an effort to keep out of prison (Nawaz sharif son in law). He supports the role of women in society and shocked the world when he talked about pre/post natal care in his victory acceptance speech.
Is there bigotry against Ahmadi in Pakistani society? 100% unfortunately. Is Imran Khan a bigot... No evidence of that yet.
Unless these childish cheap insults stop I'm going to be banning people from the CE forum.
@MJJ
Although, admittedly a few have been killed from about 200 Million Muslims by a few fundamentalists doesn't mean it's supported by the vast majority of Indians or even Modi's government. There will always be people who take religion to extremes and devalue human beings. This goes for all religions and beliefs.
Anyway, if the cow is deemed a sacred animal to the Hindus then it goes without saying we should respect their choice and country laws. This is what Islam teaches. Another point on "whataboutism". If a person has 99 faults out of a 100 look at their 1 good point. Again that is the teaching of Islam.
@MJJ
Although, admittedly a few have been killed from about 200 Million Muslims by a few fundamentalists doesn't mean it's supported by the vast majority of Indians or even Modi's government. There will always be people who take religion to extremes and devalue human beings. This goes for all religions and beliefs.
Anyway, if the cow is deemed a sacred animal to the Hindus then it goes without saying we should respect their choice and country laws. This is what Islam teaches. Another point on "whataboutism". If a person has 99 faults out of a 100 look at their 1 good point. Again that is the teaching of Islam.
As for the religious status of Ahmadis, they do not fit the definition of Muslim. There is a clear documented procedure to being Muslim. In its simplest form it is the declaration of faith and the belief in 1 God and that Muhammad pbuh is his final messenger.
If your religious beliefs are contrary to that, you are welcome to them, but they are not Islam.
Islam is more than just dogma to the vast majority of its participants. its fundamental to how we live our lives, how our society functions and how we identify ourselves. We treat it seriously.
People are opposed to blasphemy laws because religion doesn't matter to you. If you are one of those people than consider them our equivalent to laws against treason. In the secular world nothing is more precious than the nation state and treason will get you the most harsh punishment. Why? Because national identity is how you define yourselves, your society etc. It's precious to you. We consider Islamic identity precious in that same way.
If your religious beliefs are contrary to that, you are welcome to them, but they are not Islam.
Islam is more than just dogma to the vast majority of its participants. its fundamental to how we live our lives, how our society functions and how we identify ourselves. We treat it seriously.
People are opposed to blasphemy laws because religion doesn't matter to you. If you are one of those people than consider them our equivalent to laws against treason. In the secular world nothing is more precious than the nation state and treason will get you the most harsh punishment. Why? Because national identity is how you define yourselves, your society etc. It's precious to you. We consider Islamic identity precious in that same way.
Politicians are in the pockets of multi-national arms dealers and other countries who have strategic interests in the region for their benefits. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh need to move on from taking bribes wrapped up as aid. Stop spending ridiculous amounts of money on defence whilst the people lack basic health, housing and education with millions begging to stay alive.
No country or company representative gives aid without itself benefitting.
No country or company representative gives aid without itself benefitting.
It's the same reason lots of Indians assume Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers, even though we've lost 70,000 lives to terrorism, hundreds of billions in economic damage and have been fighting a war against them for nearly 2 decades now.
On the Internet people generally come across dicks. They are so common here because mainstream society doesn't associate with them. Unfortunately thier higher percentage on the Internet colours our perception of people.
It's not like that in real life.
Sultan I merely said that modi supporters post more shit about Pakistan, I never said modi supporters support the killing of muslims or even the actions of the fundamentalists.
As for cows, I do agree with you that we should respect their choice but not when people are dying over it. Its the same way I find saudi laws and our own blasphemy laws barbaric.
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis".
Also for the record, I am opposed to the practices of being compelled to identify your religion for state jobs, ID documents and electoral rolls etc. I think it provides opportunity for discrimination.
There's no science to your claim. We generally go on a few forums and sites and base our judgements. Even if there was an element of truth in your claim I don't blame the vast majority of people from both countries blaming each other for even a sneeze. People are naive and just follow media narratives. If you met most of these in real life they'll be completely different. I said in my previous post there are elements in our countries and beyond who are tasked to make sure we do not cooperate and kept apart, even make us enemies.
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There isnt, thats why in my first post I explicitly stated it was based on my experience. Although if you do look for a science behind it, it naturally follows that supporters of a bigoted party will have stronger feelings towards a perceived enemy compared to others.
The easiest way out of this predicament would be a name change for the group, but I doubt the Qadianis would accept this solution. Any other solutions which can peacefully resolve the issue?
Good post Zlat however speaking against a nation is not just treason. Like I cant get punished for throwing a Pakistani flag on the ground or expressing anti-Pakistani sentiments whereas that is exactly what the blasphemy laws are being used at. I don't mind having laws in place to protect our Islamic identity but there needs to a balance.
I might be totally wrong about this and apologize in advance, but isn't this a fairly pejorative/insulting word for Ahmadis?
A good start to end this bickering and bad relationship is to start with our own selves. Start respecting people and think very carefully before using words such as bigots. They will then defend you against such people on other sites and forums.
Qadian is the name of the place in Pakistan where the groups' leader Ahmad originate. In SE Asia people are generally recognised or referred to from the place of their birth or origin.