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Hey Sultan, sorry forgot to reply to this.
I understand that it is going to be almost impossible to go back to how it was before when scholars were the leading philosophers at the same time. However, I feel a better medium can be arranged than what is currently the system in Pakistan and India.A lot of it has to do with the level of poverty I feel and if people are provided with compulsory free education and a minimum level of income then things will eventually get better. Its more of a social problem than a religious one, as becoming a molvi or sending your kinds to madrassas are the only way to make a living or gain an education for a large portion of the population.
Love this pic:
Don't know anything about Pakistani politics.
Looks like Khan's ex-wife isn't a fan.
Looks like Khan's ex-wife isn't a fan.
Depends which ex wife you ask.
@2cents imran Khan appointed an ahmedi economics profrsskr to the economic advisory council.
A step in the right direction as he is very qualified.
A step in the right direction as he is very qualified.
Good to hear!
Doesn't really take away from the fact that he's a certified bigot. He could quite easily prove his commitment to religious minorities if he really wanted to but I guess blasphemy laws are more important
Doesn't really take away from the fact that he's a certified bigot. He could quite easily prove his commitment to religious minorities if he really wanted to but I guess blasphemy laws are more important
Okay I will bite, how is he a certified bigot?
If you want a hint of what a bigot is, I would look at the government in charge of your country which has led to people being killed over cows.
Whataboutism is not a very impressive line of argument even if that's all you've got.
His opinion on the Ahmadi Muslims are well documented and on record. In fact his opinion against the very man he's appointed is on record. Classic bigotry. The man is a hypocrite and him doubling down on the archaic blasphemy laws which adversely affect minorities tells me all I need to know. All he needed to do was speak out against this bigotry and nonsense but I guess power and populist sound bites are more important....
Its not whataboutism, its a clear example of what happens when a bigoted leader is in charge. Atleast things in pakistan havent gotten that bad yet.
It's whataboutism because your argument has nothing to do with the point I made. Modi could be reincarnation of Hitler and it would still be irrelevant. And believe me I have nothing good to say about Modi. Hes a sub human cnut.
None of it changes the fact that Imran Khan is a bigot. And that things in Pakistan are still worse for minorities. And may probably get worse if he continues with his rhetoric on blasphemy law.
Its not, Imran Khan is nothing like modi or even trump. Thats why I am giving you examples of actual bigots.
Everything he has done since coming to power has been fair and cant be call bigoted.
He's just not as big a bigot and those guys set the bar quite high for bigotry.
So we're supposed to ignore his bigotry before he came to power? Give me a break. The guy is a hypocrite and a bigot. I'll take him seriously once he publicly takes back his previous statements on Ahmadi Muslims and stops doubling down the archaic and nonsensical blasphemy laws.
He isnt, a large population of ours is very conservative and you cant piss them off if you want to get elected. I wouldnt call that being bigoted or hypocritical, just politics. And if he was a bigot like you are saying, he would be acting like one.
"Just Politics"
Just what the minorities want to hear. Poor Imran just wanted to get elected. He's allowed to be bigoted!
"Just Politics"
Just what the minorities want to hear. Poor Imran just wanted to get elected. He's allowed to be bigoted!
Yeah lets wait and see. Hopefully I will prove to be right in the future, you seem to be an alright dude(base on disliking modi) so lets leave it at that and revisit the topic in the future.
Why do pakistanis assume every Indian is a modi bhakt ? Only 1/3rd Indians voted for him and not all of them were bhakts!
"Just Politics"
Just what the minorities want to hear. Poor Imran just wanted to get elected. He's allowed to be bigoted!
Getting rid of blasphemy law (which btw was brought in under the left wing PPP), not just in Pakistan but anywhere else in the world in any Muslim state is political suicide. The blasphemy law isn't going anywhere, whether its him in power or a secular person like me. The views on Khan are amazing, the religious Nawaz League calls him a Jewish, liberal and Western agent and spend all their days in the media making links of him and prominent British Jews (unbelievable). While the secular parties call him Taliban Khan (the same Taliban who have said his assassination is one of their aims and numerous leaks in the last few days have seen his security detail heightened after threats by TTP affiliated militants). He obviously can't be both a Jewish agent or a Taliban Khan at the same time.
My experience on this site has been that the people who mostly post stupid shit about Pakistan or muslims are modi bhakts.
Not just here, on most Pakistan forums that's the case. That's why put them on ignore, on Redcafe its a great feature. Saves me from reading nonsense.
That's not entirely correct though.
Okay, I await your answer on why my comment on my experience is not correct.
Name me more than a couple of people who post shit and are modi bhakts.
KM,Nikhil(got banned), that kuldeep dude, even tmh at times and thats just off the top of my head.
Make a list of modi posters and you will see most of them chat shit. Comes with supporting a bigot.
A good way to judge how things are going is how your enemy reacts. America cutting off aid, Indians calling Imran Khan a bigot... Great news for Pakistan. I'd rather a bigot than a traitor. India invested in the traitor Nawaz Sharif. Now he's behind bars and we have a patriot as a leader.
If anyone wants to talk about bigotry we could talk about the people of Kerela being ignored by the Modi government after the floods, or we could just lock the thread.
So people can't talk about bigotry without always mentioning bigotry elsewhere?
It's all so clear now. Pakistanis hate Modi because he's a true patriot and he's certainly not a bigot. Why wouldn't they? After all we're the enemy and you can't talk about anything he did before 2014. And if we want to talk about bigotry why don't we talk about Hitler killing 6 million Jews?
Quite cute how defensive people become when you point out inconvenient facts and blatant bigotry. When you start using whataboutery and patriotism as a defense you know you're struggling. But I guess rights of minorities are only important if they live in India.
Quite cute how defensive people become when you point out inconvenient facts and blatant bigotry. When you start using whataboutery and patriotism as a defense you know you're struggling. But I guess rights of minorities are only important if they live in India.
This didn’t happen bro. Don’t make stuff up. While the bhakts were stupid, the govt did many things to help the people in Kerala. The rescue missions also had bjp workers doing exemplary jobs along with the other parties’ workers. Even the PM and home minister visited the state. The criticism is that the govt maybe should do more which it has said it will do based on actual losses report.
America cutting off aid is great news for Pakistan?
Don't invent bigotry atleast, particularly if you are supporting a bigot at the same time.
In the long run? Of course it is.
This is not at all what my Malayali friends have been saying but this is not the thread for it and wouldn't want to derail it. The South Indian states seem to get a pretty raw deal generally anyway.
You can talk about bigotry in Pakistan with or without talking about Modi. Not sure anyone would think that we have to talk about Modis bigotry first before talking about Imran Khan.
By the eay,I genuinely thought you were a kashmiri. You are Pakistani then?
My understanding is that the requirement of aid is generally present and imminent. In that sense the people who would benefit from the aid may not really care about the long run.
Supporting a bigot at the same time? When have vidared or hitchez professed support for Modi?
In your opinion, is this a bigoted statement? And if not, why not? You may say well its not an ideal statement but it is just a political calculation considering the population. That in a sense is fair enough but it doesn't mean that that opinion is not bigoted and I also wonder how you would feel if a UK politician made a similar statement? Or whether you feel Aung San Suu Kyi can be given leeway considering the political feeling in her own country and the power of the military?
By the way, I am not even saying that Khan is a bigot. I don't know what his own personal beliefs are about the Ahmadis, he may have absolutely no problems at all and be seeing the bigger picture about changing the country and needing wider support. I hope he does manage to be what so many Pakistanis seem to hope he will be.
But I personally don't think the above statement is that ideal really.
Here's Imran Khan's views. When you can't support basic human rights of your minorities and double down on Neanderthal laws that adversely effect them you are a bigoted cnut. There's no debate to be had on this. Only deflections by people who either agree with Imran (which seems to be a frightening percent of Pakistans population) or willing to overlook it.
You quoted zlat post which was regarding the genwral attitude of the hinduvta crowd and those two posters.
I completely agree with you that the statement isn't ideal but it's a carefully worded political statement where they try and not directly comment on ahmadis. Like a few posters have said it would have been political suicide to do anything else. Change comes slowly not in one day that's why it's unfair to label him a bigot because of it.
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Your understanding is also that he isn't staying in the pm house to avoid getting spies on.