Yeah, I think Sindh province voted mainly for PPP for the provincial election so they'll form the provincial government, but they took a battering on the national scale and both the PPP and the MQM suffered huge shock defeats in their strongholds in Karachi.
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Yeah, I think Sindh province voted mainly for PPP for the provincial election so they'll form the provincial government, but they took a battering on the national scale and both the PPP and the MQM suffered huge shock defeats in their strongholds in Karachi.
This thread made me remember this episode of Homeland
Sadly, but PTI still managed to take 30% of Sindh's seats which is remarkable.
@MJJ PPP have backed out of any protests and admitted the result and now so have PMLN but still with crying. The latter are also refusing to say which constituencies were allegedly riggedBecause they know the truth, their own surverys predicted such results. I am hearing they have also almost accepted defeat in Punjab. PTI will make alliance with MQM-P and all the Balochi parties which is great, finally some Balochi representation in federal and PTI will also make the government in KPK and Balochistan along with Punjab. Asad Omar is finance minister and I think they want Yasmeen Rashid to be CM Punjab, which would be great!
Not that happy about MQM being in government but the rest sounds good. Specially if they can control the punjab assembly too.
I stopped watching that garbage. They showed Islamabad as some backwater dump. When Islamabad is completely modern, has international class restaurants, now a new top class airport, a host of international hotels, malls and great private hospitals and two excellent universities who now attract quite a few foreign students.
It's a shite show full stop, full of stereotypes.
Homeland is not that racis, though. This character was an ultra-conservative US Senator that suddenly gets in charge of CIA. He was supposed to be despicable.
Every single series show are full of stereotypes. The big audiences don't like gray area too much. The shows who walk on gray area are usually poorly rated.
Was just speaking to friend here at work. He's a longtime supporter of Imran but has cooled off a lot in past 2 years for the 'compromises'.
But he's really excited on Asad Umar as Finance Minister!
But he's really excited on Asad Umar as Finance Minister!
This is their depiction of Islamabad among other things. The show is racist in its portrayal of Islamabad and Pakistan as a whole.
http://theweek.com/articles/443043/3-horrific-inaccuracies-homelands-depiction-islamabad
Read that if you are interesting in finding out more.
Ameen. There's actually some crazy strong parallels between Egypt and Pakistan, politically speaking. Both are countries who have been fecked over by their military, being one prime example of such.
This is their depiction of Islamabad among other things. The show is racist in its portrayal of Islamabad and Pakistan as a whole.
http://theweek.com/articles/443043/3-horrific-inaccuracies-homelands-depiction-islamabad
Read that if you are interesting in finding out more.
Interesting read. I didn't followed Homeland, just saw some episodes here and there while zapping. But as many american shows, it is usually very biased towards american interests.
But the episodes I saw didn't felt that bad in terms of racism. Very biased, though.
I guess the portrayal of Iran must be as bad, I guess. And I have several friends who were on vacation at Iran some years ago and they said most of the locals were very friendly and welcoming, even in rural areas.
Portraying Islamabad like a city out of rural Afghanistan is pretty racist imo and not just biased.
Maybe, I stopped watching the show in season one but they do seem to portraying a very specific agenda.
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How was Iran portrayed on the show?
My memory of Islamabad is that it was really dull and boring, but easily the cleanest, most orderly and greenest major city in Pakistan. Horrible to get around anywhere, not a city for walking. Easy to see why Pakistanis are proud of it, but it's not the kind of place tourists go to Pakistan to see. I'm guessing a lot has changed there though since '05.
They definitely face many of the same problems - overpopulation, water supply issues, militancy, etc. I'd say Pakistan has more durable independent institutions, a much stronger tradition of democratic political participation, and a much freer media, while the Egyptian central state is a lot stronger (no surprise given Egypt's geography).
It happens the same when portraying South American countries where most people on the american shows are "mulatos", when great part of the citizens in those countries are actually caucasians due to the spanish roots (yes, a lot of people in USA thinks that people from spain are mulatos too
)Tehran was a bit portrayed as everyone would suddenly support fundamentalists and biggots, but people I've met who had gone there they say it's quite a modern city where a lot of people just don't care about islamic conservative traditions anymore.
It was maybe like that during the Revolution (Argo did a decent job portraying the city I thought, they filmed it in Istanbul), but yeah nowadays it's just a really big, ugly, modern city with very nice people and evil traffic.
People often forget that Pakistan is still a very young country who still has a lot of phases to go through. You just don't "create" a country and suddenly think that it will solve all the issues in a few decades: it probably created even more issues.
In "new countries" it's even easier for ultra-conservatives to rise, because the country's identity is still not fully defined yet and a lot of things change with time and it's quite easy to brainwash people if you use the national religion as a banner.
In "new countries" it's even easier for ultra-conservatives to rise, because the country's identity is still not fully defined yet and a lot of things change with time and it's quite easy to brainwash people if you use the national religion as a banner.
Somebody translate...
He's just bigging up Imran winning the world cup now being the PM who's going to clean things up and make a difference. Just got overly excited about it as you can see
I have always admired Imran Khan as a cricketer, he was a superb statesman even in a team that had louts like Miandad. Wish him well for his new job.
Pakistan cricket team's former captain and world class allrounder, 1992 world cup hero, chief executive of a cancer hospital in lahore, currently PTI's leader and chairman, KPK's prime minister, dont get the part about 4 months but apparently he did something then, the person who fulfilled the promised of the judiciary commission, the person who helped made two people and nawaz sharif ineligible, the person who fought against corruption and panama, the person who is going to bring a new pakistan, Imran Khan.
Imran Khan is not Anti-American at all. His stance on war on terror is that it doesn't benefit anyone. States or Pakistan
Absolutely
I'm just saying bringing Islam into nationhood is not sanctioned by the religion itself.
Erm... The Rashidun would respectfully disagree.
I guess he means that IK is opposed to the nature of the alliance with the US as its played out over recent decades.
Rashidun is not Islam.
How is Rashidun not Islam? The Rashidun is meant to be held up as the quintessential model for a Muslim society.
Part of Islamic history not part of Islam the religion
Picture in India, thought it was pretty cool.
Amul ads are great
Is this legit?
Is this legit?
Idk but its hilarious if it is!
I understand where you're coming from with your aspirations of having Islamic scholars who have a high degree of education, but that's not going to happen anytime soon and without massive funding. You will find rare examples of Mowlana Tariq Jameel who first graduated at University and then went to Darul Uloom Raiwand in Lahore. If we even had a few hundred of his ilk teaching and preaching peace, harmony, tolerance, respect, promoting ethnic and sectarian harmony, social concern, self-rectification, accountability, honesty in our dealings and social life, avoidance of violent conduct, at the same time observing Allah's commands and modelling our ways as suggested by the Prophet (SAW) the country would change overnight. The case of Mowlana Tariq Jameel is rare, his inspiration of going to become an Aalim came from his involvement with Tableeghi Jamaat whilst at University.
However, coming back to realities being an Aalim/Molvi is hardly a career path in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. The salaries are so low most have alternate jobs as a means of providing their families with a reasonable standard of living.
We all know in most cases, the boys graduating from Madressas are mostly from very poor backgrounds. In a high number of cases, these institutions take care and provide for orphans and poverty-stricken families with not a high regard for worldly education. Even if education was deemed important not having financial resources to employ professional teachers would make it impossible to provide due to almost all Madressas being run with minimal donations and Zakat funds. If you want to go to the Middle Eastern route of Imaams they are not free to speak their minds and they are so low on numbers you will find in almost every Massajid they don't even have Huffaz to lead Taraweeh with full recitation of Qur'an. Where the full recitation of Qur'an takes place the Imaams are from Indian sub-continent or Africa.
Anyway, from a worldly perspective, there is not much incentive for the rich to both educate their children at University level and then send their children to religious institutions to become Aalims.
Never thought I'd ever see Imran Khan as the PM. Still can't believe that it is going to happen. Hopefully he can fulfil his promises now
This is a good account for old pics of the Af-Pak frontier: