Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances

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Nucks said:
A healthy (as much as he can be) pre-op Hargreaves on form is our best CM.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

See thats where you're whole argument falls flat on its face. That one sentence proves beyond doubt that you're bias towards Hargreaves is clouding you're whole judgement. I'm not even going to bother getting into a debate about Hargreaves vs Carrick or vs Anderson, BUT to say that Hargreaves (on form) is a better midfielder then Scholes (on form) is truly truly retarded.

Are you even a United fan? Or just a Hargreaves fan boi?
 
At the end of the day, the facts are that Hargreaves wasn't particularly good for us in the centre of the field, but then proceeded to find form when we started using him on the right. It's simply a matter of opinions about why this was, nobody knows for sure. Hopefully he can come back successfully so we can see exactly how he does on the longer term, but I must admit I'm not positive about it.

Ekeke said:
Only on the right? We moved Ronaldo off the left in the final, meaning Hargreaves also played on the left.
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He did?

I remember him starting on the right, then later going into the centre (or was it vice versa?). Don't remember ever seeing him on the left.
 
Nucks said:
Evra was shit his first season. Hargreaves was not only brand new to the league, he was coming off a season long injury. He wasn't fit, he lacked confidence, due to the injury layoff as well as the expectations surrounding him and was constantly in and out of the line up due to complications from his broken leg. He also wasn't shit in the middle. He had some "ok" performances, some outstanding ones, and some average ones.

Everyone gets a rubbery one for his performances at the end of the season on the right which correspond with having a decent run in the team, finding his form, getting used to the English game and gaining confidence. He would have played well virtually anywhere.

A healthy (as much as he can be) pre-op Hargreaves on form is our best CM. Post op, we will have to see. I made a post back after we won the CL final in a thread where the usual Hargreaves bashers, Ekeke, Sam, Brwned and company were bashing him. In that post I made the statement that the guy should be given some credit as he played an entire season with destroyed knees and it could cost him his career he at the very least deserves their respect for that. I believe it was Ekeke that laughed at the suggestion. We could look it up!
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He wasn't comfortable at all with the ball at his feet in the middle. He would get the ball, run a few metres with it, stop and pass it backwards/sideways all the time when he could just do that in the first place without having to run with it. Nobody is expecting him to be Xavi/Scholes like in passing, but at least get the basics right. And he was poor whenever he plays there in that aspect. Look a very limited player in a 2 man setup. That much was clear.
 
Nucks said:
In that post I made the statement that the guy should be given some credit as he played an entire season with destroyed knees and it could cost him his career he at the very least deserves their respect for that. I believe it was Ekeke that laughed at the suggestion. We could look it up!
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That's a fair point actually. Judging by what the surgeon said about the state of his patellar tendons (the worst he'd ever seen) there's no doubt Hargreaves was playing through a lot pain en route to playing his (relatively small but still significant) part in winning the double.

And it does look as though putting his body on the line has ruined his chance of playing in the WC and quite possibly finished his career. For that alone, he does deserve a lot more respect than some on here are giving him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's a fair point actually. Judging by what the surgeon said about the state of his patellar tendons (the worst he'd ever seen) there's no doubt Hargreaves was playing through a lot pain en route to playing his (relatively small but still significant) part in winning the double.

And it does look as though putting his body on the line has ruined his chance of playing in the WC and quite possibly finished his career. For that alone, he does deserve a lot more respect than some on here are giving him.
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As someone with the same injury as Hargreaves I can verify that he probably trained and played through constant pain.
 
good posts nuck and pogue....let s not forget that even with their mega salaries players remain human beings

Also, he is better at set pieces than ronaldo. Ronaldo scored some beauties but let us not forget how many times his freekicks ended in row Z
 
yeah he is still alive and he'll be back in 3 weeks...

on a serious note if we see him this season I'll be surprised!

I think he's finished
 
I love how this thread pops up every other month without a sign of Hargreaves :lol:

How the feck we gave this guy a lucrative, secure contract after a medical on a chronic condition is beyond me.

He's probably the best paid person in Britain when his salary is measured against his means of earning it.
 
WireRed said:
I love how this thread pops up every other month without a sign of Hargreaves :lol:

How the feck we gave this guy a lucrative, secure contract after a medical on a chronic condition is beyond me.

He's probably the best paid person in Britain when his salary is measured against his means of earning it.
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agreed

he better be doing maintenance around the grounds to earn his keep the shit
 
Allforone said:
Can i just ask how the feck 3 weeks turned into 4 and a half bloody months?!!!

Gotta love our medical team, if nothing else their good for a laugh!
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its those bloody candian doctors that operated on him...they removed his bottle
 
he's probably waiting for a scientific breakthrough in the field of Cyborgology
then he'll be back
 
Hargo makes Kieran Dyer look like iron man. We have to accept we've bought a crock and hope he remains fit for another half season before letting him go once his contract expires. I'll be amazed if he plays even 30 games for us from now till then.
 
To be honest, there's a slight disloyalty from our club to the supporters in regards to player injuries... Hargo isn't the first, last, or only case of this strange smokescreen of "hiding" when a player will be back and to be honest it's unfair for us.
 
I remember watching him destroy the Galacticos at Munich. Shame the injuries have robbed us of such a fine midfielder.
 
Berlinknives said:
Yes because Carrick hasn't lost a game in an England shirt ever. :rolleyes:

He made Four Hollywood passes against an Ecudor side and England got nothing from any of them, he was given Man of the Match before the game was played in my opinion. Ecuador nearly scored because Carrick offered nothing in terms of protection or ball winning. Without Ashley Cole's saving clearance, England probably would've went out on penalties. Carrick robbed Ashley Cole of being the deserved Man of the Match.

The fact that England could only beat Ecuador 1-0 and hail it as a world class performance highlights how much England overacheieved in that World Cup, but the Euro qualifiers showed them for what they really were.
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Spot on. The constant claim that Carrick was the man of the match against Ecuador is so laughable really. He like the rest of the England team bar Ashley Cole were totally out played by the Ecuadorians and were generally extremely poor. After that game Carrick was deservedly dropped for having offered nothing of value to the team in the Ecuador game.
 
I hope he will be back soon. I really like him, great player, sad to see him away for so long. But remember Ole, was out for a long time and did have a comeback.
 
It was good to see him laughing and joking with Giggsy and Rio last night. All is not gloom. Have faith, ye who have..er, little faith.
 
I wonder how long before he pops up for the reserves.

That said I've always had a doubt that we'd see him this season - it's quite similar to the Neville in 07/08 and Smith in 06/07 situation (regular updates showing them to be close to a return, shots of them training, some reserve appearances - although Hargo isn't there yet it would seem). In fairness Smith did come back to play a somewhat pivotal role at the end of that season.

Still, the similarities are there. He's the only player that's really worked well with Anderson in a 442, and as such I look forwards to his return offering us a different dimension (how much would people on here shit themselves now if we went to The Emirates or Anfailed and played a 442 with Anderson being one of the middle pair)
 
With Anderson out does anyone know anything concrete about Hargreaves? the updates have well sort of stopped
 
Amir said:
What's the bloody point... Until we see his name on a reserve team sheet, it doesn't really matter.
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The point is it would be nice to updated on how he is, we could do with him now and yes it does matter to me and most, not you obviously.
 
Crerand Legend said:
The point is it would be nice to updated on how he is, we could do with him now and yes it does matter to me and most, not you obviously.
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It matters to me too, but I got excited when we heard he'll be fit in September, then sometime during the CL group stage, then January... It's just not happening, not this season anyway. Even if he came back today it would be tough for him to have much influence this season. I'd rather hear nothing until something happens rather than get all the pointless estimations that never turn out to be right.
 
Amir said:
It matters to me too, but I got excited when we heard he'll be fit in September, then sometime during the CL group stage, then January... It's just not happening, not this season anyway. Even if he came back today it would be tough for him to have much influence this season. I'd rather hear nothing until something happens rather than get all the pointless estimations that never turn out to be right.
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Fair enough but surely the club at this stage should know where he stands, if he is out then we can forget about him
 
Crerand Legend said:
Fair enough but surely the club at this stage should know where he stands, if he is out then we can forget about him
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Looking at some of the previous statements during the season, you have to wonder if the club knows. It's a very unusual injury to be coming back from - tendonitis surgery in both knees. You just go along as the player feels.

With less than three months of the season remaining, I just can't see how he can become a factor.
 
Amir said:
Looking at some of the previous statements during the season, you have to wonder if the club knows. It's a very unusual injury to be coming back from - tendonitis surgery in both knees. You just go along as the player feels.

With less than three months of the season remaining, I just can't see how he can become a factor.
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I dont disagree, just be nice to know
 
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