Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances

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AgainstAllOdds said:
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My spelling was hopeless. Seriously though, it's suspected that Diouf and De Laet are in the squad and neither will be eligible for the B squad, which means 2 from the 25 miss out.

If you bring in DeLaet and take out Hargreaves ... who makes way for Diouf?

It can't be Welbeck because he was a B squad member anyway.

Which to me leaves O'Shea, Obertan and Macheda.
 
I think we might see him make an appearance by the end of the season, I fully expect him to still be here next season and playing.

If not I'd be quite gutted, but at least we wouldn't have to put up with people calling him Hargo on here if he leaves for another club.
 
Here are the official rules on Subsequent registration.

For all matches from the start of the round of 16, a club may register a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the current competition. Such registration must be completed by 1 February 2010 at the latest. This deadline cannot be extended.

18.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club competition matches for another competing club in the current season may exceptionally be registered, provided that the player has not been fielded:
  • in the same competition for another club; or
  • for another club that is currently in the same competition.
Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League, his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any point in the current season.

18.19 If the registration of such new players causes the authorised number of players on List A to exceed 25, the club must remove the necessary number of currently registered players to reduce the squad to 25 players again. If a club-trained player listed in places 18 to 25 on List A is removed, he must be replaced by another club-trained player; if an association-trained player listed in places 18 to 25 on List A is removed, he must be replaced by a clubtrained player or by another association-trained player. Newly registered players must wear set numbers which have not yet been assigned.

18.20 If a club cannot count on the services of at least two goalkeepers registered on List A because of long-term injury or illness, the club concerned may temporarily replace the goalkeeper concerned and register a new goalkeeper at any time during the season and complete the official registration list A with a goalkeeper fit to be fielded. If the replaced goalkeeper was registered as a locally trained player, the new goalkeeper does not need to be a locally trained player. The club must provide UEFA with the necessary medical evidence. UEFA may require further medical examination of the goalkeeper by an expert appointed by UEFA at the cost of the club. Once the injured or ill goalkeeper is fit to be fielded again he can resume his position in place of his nominated substitute. The change must be announced to the UEFA administration 24 hours before the next match in which the goalkeeper is due to play.
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I just wonder if O'Shea, needed to be replaced he could only be replaced by a club trained player. It's this "places 18-25" in the squad thing.
 
Berlinknives said:
My spelling was hopeless. Seriously though, it's suspected that Diouf and De Laet are in the squad and neither will be eligible for the B squad, which means 2 from the 25 miss out.

If you bring in DeLaet and take out Hargreaves ... who makes way for Diouf?

It can't be Welbeck because he was a B squad member anyway.

Which to me leaves O'Shea, Obertan and Macheda.
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It's laughable that you even considered O'Shea and I highlighted that, and laughed the first time. I shall do so again.

here ===> :lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Presumably he's considering O'Shea as marginal because he might be out for the rest of the season injured, same as Hargreaves?
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Indeed, if medics were convinced of him returning anytime this season, O'Shea wouldn't even be considered an option to leave out. Leaving O'Shea out is a gamble, but it's a realistic gamble that could be made.

Bringing in DeLaet may fill the defensive vacancy as best as they possibly could given the squad United have. Nani's improvements may mean Obertan surplus to requirements or Diouf's presence may mean Macheda missing out.

I'm not convinced completely that O'Shea is left out or is anything but a long-shot to miss out of the squad, he's United's insurance player, if fit he could do defensive midfield in Hargreaves absence. But if you had to consider which players could miss out in the squad, worryingly O'Shea is a realistic option.
 
olesmyhero said:
We very nearly signed Senna in 06, but signed Carrick instead.
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We had already signed Carrick when we came very close to signing Senna in the next few weeks. And already having signed Carrick, we were straight after Hargreaves after the England Portugal match on July 1st. We werent after 1 midfielder, but 2. We had to wait a season for Bayern to be ready to let him go though so we got him the next summer.

Senna said we pulled out of the move because our sponsors had suggested they prefer English players. Sure enough we signed a Canadian instead.
 
Ekeke said:
We had already signed Carrick when we came very close to signing Senna in the next few weeks. And already having signed Carrick, we were straight after Hargreaves after the England Portugal match on July 1st. We werent after 1 midfielder, but 2. We had to wait a season for Bayern to be ready to let him go though so we got him the next summer.

Senna said we pulled out of the move because our sponsors had suggested they prefer English players. Sure enough we signed a Canadian instead.
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Senna was just talking shit though.
 
AgainstAllOdds said:
I will go hide now.

How the feck did I forget he is injured :(
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The squad is registered already, apparently Diouf has replaced Welbeck, I think unless Macheda somehow is eligible for the B squad then another member of the 25 man squad has to go as well. The press involved in reporting this story either don't know or don't care about the registration rules.

Hypothetically if it were the case missing the fact O'Shea was absent from the squad with all the focus on Hargreaves and Welbeck would be a stupid mistake in the press, but they could perhaps ignore the absences of Obertan or Macheda through shortsightedness, a lot more easier.

As for the laughing, no harm done, it's an understandable reaction.
 
The Irish Independent agrees with the "Diouf for Welbeck" change which in theory breaks UEFA's rules, if the Irish papers are saying nothing on O'Shea, we could probably assume Fergie thinks he can play some part in the Champion's League games.
 
Berlinknives said:
The squad is registered already, apparently Diouf has replaced Welbeck, I think unless Macheda somehow is eligible for the B squad then another member of the 25 man squad has to go as well. The press involved in reporting this story either don't know or don't care about the registration rules.

Hypothetically if it were the case missing the fact O'Shea was absent from the squad with all the focus on Hargreaves and Welbeck would be a stupid mistake in the press, but they could perhaps ignore the absences of Obertan or Macheda through shortsightedness, a lot more easier.

As for the laughing, no harm done, it's an understandable reaction.
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Yea, forgetting he was injured I ridiculed your choices of replacement. He would seem like the first choice now though.

I don't know when the squad was submitted, but Fergie did say that John may miss rest of season couple of weeks ago, so he would have had a clear view of the situation when submitting the squad.
 
No real surprise here.

It will be extremely difficult for him to make a first team appearance this season or reach England's World Cup squad. He hasnt progressed as much as we would have liked, physically or most likely mentally. This isnt the time of the season to be easing players into the team. Every match from now on will be important and unfortunately Hargreaves wont have a chance to get up to speed.

Personally I think he should focus on preparing for reserve games to get himself back in the old routine. If all goes well we should have him available for pre season if no further setbacks occur. It's a real shame because we havent got value from his signing to date. Those recurring injuries have stalled his career.
 
oskarutd said:
He has been with us for 2 years in the start on the season, but to be on the b-list he needs to have been with us for 3. He was on the a-list.
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If you're under 21, it's 2 years to make the B list. Macheda was just short of this at the beginning of the season, but as we now re-regsiter the squad he should be eligible now.

Conditions for registration: List B
18.15 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.
18.16 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1988
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.
 
I didnt know his contract was up at the end of the season. I'm now certain he won't play for us again. He'll probably move to Everton or Bolton and play almost every game of next season though.
 
cw1984 said:
I didnt know his contract was up at the end of the season. I'm now certain he won't play for us again. He'll probably move to Everton or Bolton and play almost every game of next season though.
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Neither did I. If there is no sign of us renewing it, you know what that means. Unfortunately we havent got enough value from his signing and in our current financial situation it will be difficult to justify a new one. It's up to Hargreaves to prove he's worth the investment.
 
Amir said:
Not bloody likely.
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Not bloody likely what?

Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Manchester United | World Cup blow for Hargreaves

Read the last paragraphs
When Hargreaves joined United from Bayern in the summer of 2007, he signed a three-year deal with the option of another year.

The option is on Hargreaves' side and United have made no attempt to review the contract so they expect the £19million signing to remain at Old Trafford until June 2011.
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A1Dan said:
If you're under 21, it's 2 years to make the B list. Macheda was just short of this at the beginning of the season, but as we now re-regsiter the squad he should be eligible now.

Conditions for registration: List B
18.15 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.
18.16 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1988
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.
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Good find that.. So Macheda to the B list to replace Welbeck and Diouf to replace Macheda in the A List..
 
Chirag said:
Good find that.. So Macheda to the B list to replace Welbeck and Diouf to replace Macheda in the A List..
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And if Macheda's eligible, then Possebon's eligible too isn't he?

That would make the squad:

1.Van der Sar, 2.Neville, 3.Evra, 5.Ferdinand, 6.Brown, 7.Owen, 9.Berbatov, 10.Rooney, 11.Giggs, 12.Foster, 13.Park, 15.Vidic, 16.Carrick, 17.Nani, 18.Scholes, 20.Fabio, 21.Rafael, 22.O'Shea, 24.Fletcher, 25.Valencia, 26.Obertan, , 28.Gibson, 29.Kuszczak, 30. DeLaet, 32. Diouf.

Additional players registered*: 8.Anderson, 27. Macheda, 23.J.Evans, 31. C.Evans, 33.Hewson, 36.Gray, 37.Cathcart, 38.Zieler, 39.Chester, 40.Amos, 42. Eikrem, 43. James, 45. Gill, 46. Stewart, 47. Norwood.

+ 34. Possebon?

Absences: 4. Hargreaves, 14. Tosic (on loan), 19. Welbeck (on loan), 35. Cleverley (on loan), 41. King
 
Berlinknives said:
And if Macheda's eligible, then Possebon's eligible too isn't he?

That would make the squad:

1.Van der Sar, 2.Neville, 3.Evra, 5.Ferdinand, 6.Brown, 7.Owen, 9.Berbatov, 10.Rooney, 11.Giggs, 12.Foster, 13.Park, 15.Vidic, 16.Carrick, 17.Nani, 18.Scholes, 20.Fabio, 21.Rafael, 22.O'Shea, 24.Fletcher, 25.Valencia, 26.Obertan, , 28.Gibson, 29.Kuszczak, 30. DeLaet, 32. Diouf.

Additional players registered*: 8.Anderson, 27. Macheda, 23.J.Evans, 31. C.Evans, 33.Hewson, 36.Gray, 37.Cathcart, 38.Zieler, 39.Chester, 40.Amos, 42. Eikrem, 43. James, 45. Gill, 46. Stewart, 47. Norwood.

+ 34. Possebon?

Absences: 4. Hargreaves, 14. Tosic (on loan), 19. Welbeck (on loan), 35. Cleverley (on loan), 41. King
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Jesus Christ, no Anderson? He will not be a happy man. Maybe he'll be on his way out in the summer
 
I feel sad for the fellow but what a big waste of money from our side.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Champions of Europe.

Worth it.
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Fletcher could have done what he did in that season. We could have signed Mascherano at a cheaper rate and without the injuries. Better player aswell IMO.

Huge financial mistake. He's no use to us when he's not playing so he's been poor value in fee and wages.
 
WireRed said:
Fletcher could have done what he did in that season. We could have signed Mascherano at a cheaper rate and without the injuries. Better player aswell IMO.

Huge financial mistake. He's no use to us when he's not playing so he's been poor value in fee and wages.
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if we take a worst scenario... ie he wont play for us again and we have to pay his wages till the end of next season it will be very poor value

i dont know hoe much he is on but for a guess around 70k a week... so approx 3.5 million a year... over 4 years is 14 million... plus the 19 million we paid is 33 million

to put that in perspective he has played 37 games so thats almost a million a game...

i hope we have very fecking good insurance...
 
EZee said:
if we take a worst scenario... ie he wont play for us again and we have to pay his wages till the end of next season it will be very poor value

i dont know hoe much he is on but for a guess around 70k a week... so approx 3.5 million a year... over 4 years is 14 million... plus the 19 million we paid is 33 million

to put that in perspective he has played 37 games so thats almost a million a game...

i hope we have very fecking good insurance...
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We won't need it. Hargreaves will take up the option and not kick a ball. Mark my words.

Why retire when you can sit on your £70k per week wages for doing bugger all?
 
WireRed said:
We won't need it. Hargreaves will take up the option and not kick a ball. Mark my words.

Why retire when you can sit on your £70k per week wages for doing bugger all?
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my hope is that the insurance has been good enough to have been paying out money since the injury...

though i doubt you can get key personel insurance on footballers...
 
What insurance company would be big enough idiots to cover Owen Hargreaves?

Oh hang on...

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Plechazunga said:
What insurance company would be big enough idiots to cover Owen Hargreaves?

Oh hang on...

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Jokes on you, the new sponsors Aon are an even larger insurance company and they are renowned for their expertise in 'human capital'. :wenger:
 
Chirag said:
Urm we were about to sign Senna the season we signed Carrick.. Not the season we signed Hargreaves.. If you remember the season we signed Hargo we signed Nani and Anderson as well and our biz was finished very early.. Where as the Carrick transfer was done a little later in the mix and thus the whole saga of Senna played out..
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In the 06 transfer window we wanted to sign Carrick and one of Hargreaves or Senna. We got Carrick (obviously), and then spent the rest of the window following up on both of the others. At one stage Senna seemed to think it was basically a done deal, but it seemed we kept putting it off as we wanted more time to try to sign our first choice (Hargreaves). Ultimately we got neither as Senna and his club told us to go jump, and Bayern simply refused to sell Hargreaves to us.

We did end up signing Hargreaves the following season, but looking back it looks like we would've been better off getting Senna. He grew to play a vital role in Spain's recent success, while Hargreaves can barely get off the treatment table.
 
EZee said:
i dont know hoe much he is on but for a guess around 70k a week... so approx 3.5 million a year... over 4 years is 14 million... plus the 19 million we paid is 33 million

to put that in perspective he has played 37 games so thats almost a million a game...
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I feel sick.
 
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