Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances
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Did you personally contribute to his transfer fee or are you just someone who likes to tell other people what to do with their money ? Here's a novel idea - why not let the manager decide when Hargreaves should return. Fergie isn't the type to allow a player who he deems ready to play, sit on the bench for frivolous reasons. When the time is right, he will return. There's absolutely no value in speculating about things we don't know about based on occasional fleeting comments in the media.
I don't think he meant Hargreaves should return sooner than Fergie wants him too, only that this money could have been used better on a different player, which is hard to disagree with given Hargreaves' injury record.
I wonder if Hargreaves is the most expensive player ever for United when you consider his:
(fee + salary paid) / minutes played...
I'm guessing he's up there!
(fee + salary paid) / minutes played...
I'm guessing he's up there!
What a signing.
For united I'd say yes. Has nothing on Winston Bogarde though.
I don't agree with this at all. As Fergie said, he should take his time and come back when he is ready. If that means early next year then so be it. I'd rather have him back at 100%, than needlessly worry about the injury in order to get a few games in this year. The main point is that once he's back at 100% it will be like a brand new signing who will have a good 5-6 years of football left in him.
People are deluding themselves if they think Hargo is going to come all new and shiny IF he recovers from this injury spell.
Last player I remember at OT who was out for this amount of time was Ole and he did not even have a bad injury record prior to that. He did come back and play a role in our 2006/7 season. But was below couple of levels from his peak and eventually retired next season.
any updates on him
Ok firstly I said this is not FM for the fact that you would like to get rid of Hargo to cut our losses.. and secondly even if you think I am lying your still not playing FM and we will still not be able to sign De Rossi.. He has said time and time and time again that he will NEVER leave Roma & unless he is lying I do not see any reason to not believe him..
P.S When did he almost leave? I am being genuine here because for the life of me I just cannot remember him being close to leaving..
He better not take up that option of another year, that really would be taking the piss
This is extremely optimistic and dare I say it, naive. Player's don't just come back as good as they were before when they have been out as long as he has.
Oh yeah, I do/did contribute to his wages, cash that has been pissed up the wall on a crock with no confidence to train fully despite being pain-free.
Taking this into account, I think I've a right to question the purchase, and why the player is taking so long to get mentally ready for a comeback while picking up wages that myself and other supporters help pay.
I was surprised United actually waited for him despite the leg break and paid an astronomical fee for an injury prone utility player.
And at the same time, blew off the chance to sign Senna. A better player, for a far better price.
Oh well, you win some, you lose some.
You guys know this Rosicky bloke ?
It is possible.
It is possible.
Right, they come back more injury prone from not playing regularly as you put it before. No?
Rosicky was a better player than Hargreaves form the outset. However, since his comeback from injury his been pretty average.
I just wanted to highlight that it is possible to come back from LOOONG injury and play with confidence. Rosicky is doing fine, he will get back to his best.
Common sense or lack there of more like, to sign a player with the injury record of Hargreaves was ridiculous, laughing at Aquilani yet, the Aqua man might end up playing far more in his Liverpool career than Hargreaves has for us. Also it was even more ridiculous that we were talking about paying around £5-£8 mill at one point but a few good performances in the world cup and his price sky rocketed, to a point where Bayern demanded £20 mill. Oh and we had to chase him for a year or so as well to top it all off.
I think this whole saga was Karma though because we messed Senna about big time, told him that he was going to sign and at the last minute pulled the plug on a £5 mill deal.
The point is that we don't know whether he won't be as good, or whether he'll be better. Presuming either based on the limited information isn't very wise.
Given that you don't know how various revenues are allocated, whether to player salaries or otherwise, its a safe bet that you don't know whether your money goes to pay his wages any more than people who buy shirts and kit in Malaysia or America. Second, you aren't privy to the specifics as to what goes on behind closed doors or during training sessions between player, staff, and manager. Therefore its a bit rich to form such an opinion based purely on scraps pieced together from press conferences and online rags. The bottom line is that Fergie's judgement reigns supreme.
Well Rosicky didn't take 4 months+, to "mentally recover" after he had physically recovered from his injury. If Hargreaves does come back, he won't even be half the player he used to be, lets face it he wasn't that good a player to start off with in the first place.
Hargreaves should spend some time on the Caf, he'll 'man-up'
A decent point. Problem is the two are different players. Hargreaves' game is far more physical and that is the part that is questionable.
5-6 years? So you're saying we should gamble on a player that has been plagued by severe injuries and give him another contract extension?
I want Hargo back, but this idea that he'll be back to 100% and a brand new player is a fantasy. Very few players come back from these type of injuries and play better. We should be prepared to accept he will be a different player and more then likely that he will keep having issues staying fit.
A contract extension is simply crazy talk at this point and one that should only be considered if he can play 80% of the games after he comes back. Something he has not been able to do for the last 5 years. I have a feeling he will get released and we'll all talk about him as that player who could have done so much more had he not been cursed by injuries.
btw. Comparisons to Ruud, Ole, Rosicky, even Dyer all miss the point that none of these players are paid to make a tackle. Hargreaves is. You take away that ball winning skills and he's a guy with a great engine and a decent freekick. That by itself may be good enough for some clubs, but definitely not enough for United.
True but if i remember correctly Rosicky picked an injury in his first appearance after break , it must have been a little blow as well for him .
Nail on the head.
I fear that he might be scared of putting his legs where he used to . It was his biggest asset. Chasing the ball , tackling , fighting. That may be an issue.
5-6 years? So you're saying we should gamble on a player that has been plagued by severe injuries and give him another contract extension?
I want Hargo back, but this idea that he'll be back to 100% and a brand new player is a fantasy. Very few players come back from these type of injuries and play better. We should be prepared to accept he will be a different player and more then likely that he will keep having issues staying fit.
A contract extension is simply crazy talk at this point and one that should only be considered if he can play 80% of the games after he comes back. Something he has not been able to do for the last 5 years. I have a feeling he will get released and we'll all talk about him as that player who could have done so much more had he not been cursed by injuries.
It depends on the extent of his recovery. There have been instances in sport where players have suffered major career threatening injuries, gone through operation and recovery process and managed to not only play again, but thrive. The bottom line is that we simply don't know the extent of what is going on and all gloom and doom assumptions might be well off the mark. Lets just wait and see.
Probably has and decided that the fans don't rate him so he may aswell milk his contract.
You just know whats going to happen with our luck.
He'll come back near the end of the season.
Get picked to go to South Africa with England
Pick up another injury while he's there
And come back to United crocked again.
Full circle.
He'll come back near the end of the season.
Get picked to go to South Africa with England
Pick up another injury while he's there
And come back to United crocked again.
Full circle.
Fair enough. I prefere to manage my expectations of him that's all. I've read too many fans talk about Hargo's return as if he's just going to come in and start making crunching tackles left right and center and be back to his best. Fact is, even when he first arrived it took him a while to get going. There was a period even before he joined that a lot of people were divided about just what sort of qualities he brought to a team.
Now i'm convinced that had he remained fit we would have won more of the tougher games he played against, but that's conjecture at this point. Facts are he has been out for such a long time that even if he comes back next season, i don't think we will see him hit top form till nov-dec 2010. I do believe if he has a future with our club that will be the time he proves it. Can he do it? I don't know. I hope so, but I'm cautious about expecting too much because the more likely scenario is that he just won't be able to hit those heights again.
There is absolutely no way he will go to the world cup.
England boss Fabio Capello to hold summit talks with Manchester United's Owen Hargreaves over World Cup place - MirrorFootball.co.uk
article from yesterdays papers. So never say never.
Interesting...
Even assuming it's true, Capello meeting with Hargreaves face to face is meaningless. The lad needs to be playing football and he's not going to get any decent match time with us.
OK, it's better not to rush him, agreed 100%. My point is though that the kind of money we paid for him could have been used in a better way, on someone with better injury record. Let's face it - it was no secret Hargreaves was injury prone even when he was still at Bayern.
Really? I thought every game he played he was extremely good
Isnt it insane ?
Cabbage will make himself look like an idiot if he will take Hargreaves to Africa. It's beyond me. Where is the common sense? He wont be even half fit !
Im going to guess that you have never competed in athletics at a relatively high level, I am also going to guess you've never had a serious injury.
Sports are probably 70 to 80% mental for many people. Confidence in yourself, confidence from the coach/manager are MASSIVE parts of this. Injuries tend to raise doubts. Both internally and externally. Often times an injury is "healed" but you're not confident with the injury yet. Why? You just sat out 6+ months or more, were unable to compete in something you love to do and are scared that you might have a relapse.
What if you push back as soon as possible, before you're ready and get blasted for not performing to your potential? Sort of a familiar situation for Hargreaves isn't it? He already rushed back to play for us after a badly broken leg. If anyone is to blame here, it is the training staff and Fergie for giving unrealistic dates on his recovery. Raising expectations and then inevitably missing them, over and over again.
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