Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD

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serghei said:
Barca didn't try to block Neymar's whishes. You got it all wrong.

Barca tried Neymar to CONVINCE him to stay. As in convincing him that staying at Barca is better. Once he let the team know that he wants out, Valverde even released him from training to deal with PSG.
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That's because Barca knew they can do nothing against the release clause. There is no release clause for Dembele. How are Barca even allowed to agree terms with a player who's got 4 years left on his contract and whose club is not interested in selling?
You think Dortmund didn't try to convince him to stay? How can someone so blindly follow a club and think everything they do is holy and everything that's not working out well for them is the definition of evil.
 
kundalini said:
This is nonsense. Dortmund allow players to leave when they have 1 year left on their contract (Kagawa, Mkhitaryan etc), or in some cases, they make them run down their contract.
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Hence my comment that Dembele made a mistake in signing for them. He thought signing for Dortmund wouldn't block his move at Barcelona when he was mentally ready make the next step. Seems like Dortmund is doing just that. Hence his reaction.

Lyricist said:
That's because Barca knew they can do nothing against the release clause. There is no release clause for Dembele. How are Barca even allowed to agree terms with a player who's got 4 years left on his contract and whose club is not interested in selling?
You think Dortmund didn't try to convince him to stay? How can someone so blindly follow a club and think everything they do is holy and everything that's not working out well for them is the definition of evil.
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Barca doesn't keep players against their will. They're too proud for that. If you want out, they won't want to keep you anymore. Forcing players to stay is small club mentality. Why do you think Manchester didn't try to force Ronaldo to stay? Because they're bigger than just one player and the purpose of a big club is not to force players to stay by way of contract, but to ensure that the players don't want out in the first place. That is the difference between a big club and a smaller club. The big club doesn't need to force players to play for them.
 
serghei said:
Barca is not making Dembele do anything he doesn't want. He wants to come to Barca. It's his dream. He is not forced to come to Barca. He wants to go. One of the reasons why Dembele went to Dortmund is because he didn't think the club would block his way to Barca. He said when he is ready he wants to play for Barcelona.

One of the main reasons why top talents like Dembele go to Dortmund is that Dortmund is a selling club. By putting 150m. prices on their talents, Dortmund proves they are not very interested to listen to the players' best interests, even if they make almost 100m. profit. That is very bad news for every top talent who wants to play at a bigger club than Dortmund.
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Right. Then it should be easy for you to name players who were on a long contract which Dortmund sold...

Fair is when you respect contracts, "speculating your position in football" as you put it yourself is the opposite of that.

serghei said:
Hence my comment that Dembele made a mistake in signing for them. He thought signing for Dortmund wouldn't block his move at Barcelona when he was mentally ready make the next step. Seems like Dortmund is doing just that. Hence his reaction.
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Yes you know all the details, everything that the player discussed with his current club..
 
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serghei said:
Barca didn't try to block Neymar's whishes. You got it all wrong.

Barca tried to CONVINCE him to stay. As in convincing him that staying at Barca is better. Once he let the team know that he wants out, Valverde even released him from training to deal with PSG.
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The same barca who have yet to give the ok to the rfef to give the lfp the transfer for neymar?
 
serghei said:
True. They are making a move FOR THEM, and completely against their player. Which is why the player is now refusing to train. He is smelling Dortmund's attempt to get rich at the expense of Dembele's future and his whishes.
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Dortmund is not flat-out rejecting a move. They just want to be compensated well for losing Dembele in mid-August + knowing that Barca sits on a huge pile of money. There's hardly anything malicious/devious/negative about it.
 
serghei said:
Hence my comment that Dembele made a mistake in signing for them. He thought signing for Dortmund wouldn't block his move at Barcelona when he was mentally ready make the next step. Seems like Dortmund is doing just that. Hence his reaction.
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His move to Barcelona when Barcelona need someone. You think Dortmund don't want planning security? If all summer it had been clear that Dembele will leave because Neymar is gone and Barca wanna sign him for big cash, then it'd be an easier task, as Dortmund could've prepared.
Now Neymar is suddenly gone you expect Dortmund to be like: "oh your almost girlfriend called, she's got room for one more dude now...leave at will if you want, we'll put you up at a 50% sale price :)"

I will say it again, you're only looking at this from Barca's perspective as you're a huge fan. There's not even a point in having this discussion as to convince you or something. The only reason for having this discussion is, that it's frankly annoying that by you Dortmund are now being painted as the bad guys to the neutral world because they didn't agree to your 80m offer. You're certainly going to keep your opinion anyway.
 
serghei said:
Barca is not making Dembele do anything he doesn't want. He wants to come to Barca. It's his dream. He is not forced to come to Barca. He wants to go. One of the reasons why Dembele went to Dortmund is because he didn't think the club would block his way to Barca. He said when he is ready he wants to play for Barcelona.

One of the main reasons why top talents like Dembele go to Dortmund is that Dortmund is a selling club. By putting 150m. prices on their talents, Dortmund proves they are not very interested to listen to the players' best interests, even if they make almost 100m. profit. That is very bad news for every top talent who wants to play at a bigger club than Dortmund.
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So when Neymar wanted to "go" to PSG, did you facilitate the move and quote a fair price to PSG or made PSG pay the release clause?
 
giorno said:
The same barca who have yet to give the ok to the rfef to give the lfp the transfer for neymar?
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Come on, Valverde just released Neymar from training to deal with PSG. What more proof do you want? Barcelona pressured Neymar to make his whishes known. When he did, he went to PSG. The fans were starting to go against him. Do you think the fans would accept a player that wants out?

Do you think that if a player publicly says that he doesn't want to play for Madrid anymore, the fans will continue to accept him? It's the same for Barcelona. The moment Neymar said he wanted to move to PSG he was gone.
 
serghei said:
Barca doesn't keep players against their will. They're too proud for that. If you want out, they won't want to keep you anymore. Forcing players to stay is small club mentality. Why do you think Manchester didn't try to force Ronaldo to stay? Because they're bigger than just one player and the purpose of a big club is not to force players to stay by way of contract, but to ensure that the players don't want out in the first place. That is the difference between a big club and a smaller club. The big club doesn't need to force players to play for them.
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Yeah right, the big club doesn't need to force the players to play for them. It just needs to bully other teams and then act all holy about it "well if you don't want to be bullied, why did you act in your own favor and not in ours." That's literally what your opinion sounds like.
 
fishfingers15 said:
So when Neymar wanted to "go" to PSG, did you facilitate the move and quote a fair price to PSG or made PSG pay the release clause?
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Well, the release clause was a pretty fair price for Neymar in this market. He should be worth twice as much as Dembele, considering one is a top 5 player in the world, and the other is not even top 20 atm. If Neymar wanted out and his clause would have been 1bn euros, we would have agreed with PSG for a much lower sum than the release clause.
 
serghei said:
Come on, Valverde just released Neymar from training to deal with PSG. What more proof do you want? Barcelona pressured Neymar to make his whishes known. When he did, he went to PSG. The fans were starting to go against him. Do you think the fans would accept a player that wants out?

Do you think that if a player publicly says that he doesn't want to play for Madrid anymore, the fans will continue to accept him? It's the same for Barcelona. The moment Neymar said he wanted to move to PSG he was gone.
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Do you think Dortmund's fans appreciate Dembele's actions? They're not happy, that I can tell you. Does that mean Dortmund should get ripped off by you guys? No.
 
Dortmund is not flat-out rejecting a move. They just want to be compensated well for losing Dembele in mid-August + knowing that Barca sits on a huge pile of money. There's hardly anything malicious/devious/negative about it.
 
serghei said:
Come on, Valverde just released Neymar from training to deal with PSG. What more proof do you want? Barcelona pressured Neymar to make his whishes known. When he did, he went to PSG. The fans were starting to go against him. Do you think the fans would accept a player that wants out?

Do you think that if a player publicly says that he doesn't want to play for Madrid anymore, the fans will continue to accept him? It's the same for Barcelona. The moment Neymar said he wanted to move to PSG he was gone.
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I'm saying barcelona are still so butthurt over neymar they're delaying his playing transfer out of pettiness

And it's not about players or managers, those tend to accept their fellow's choices. Barca players and valverde are fine with neymar. It's the board that's butthurt
 
serghei said:
Well, the release clause was a pretty fair price for Neymar. If Neymar wanted out and his clause would have been 1bn euros, he would have agreed with PSG for a much lower sum than the release clause.
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No, the release clause is what Barcelona thought is a fair price. Dortmund is now asking Barcelona to pay what they think is a fair price. Till the transfer fee is paid, Dembele remains a Dortmund player and if he wants to force his way out, Dortmund will choose to discipline the player as it chooses.

I'm sure that we all have our blind spots when it comes to the club we support, but your posts stink not just of arrogance, but a total flippant attitude towards Dortmund. It's entirely possible that my posts were of a similar nature towards Dortmund when Kagawa/Mkhitaryan transfers were happening, but it's fair to call you out now. Just please stahp.
 
giorno said:
I'm saying barcelona are still so butthurt over neymar they're delaying his playing transfer out of pettiness
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"Neymar's debut could be delayed again with French league still waiting to receive necessary documents from La Liga ahead of PSG's game against Guingamp on Sunday"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-s-PSG-debut-delayed-again.html#ixzz4pN0K2Brl

:lol::lol:

The holy Barca. They're probably just waiting for Dembele's playing permit, and then they'll fax everything over. :)
 
Lyricist said:
Do you think Dortmund's fans appreciate Dembele's actions? They're not happy, that I can tell you. Does that mean Dortmund should get ripped off by you guys? No.
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Why do you think a talent like Dembele chose to go to Dortmund while saying he dreams to play for Barca when he is ready? He basically said all along that Dortmund is a step in his career. Dembele to Dortmund and then to Barcelona is a good move for everybody. Dortmund make the biggest sale ever and the biggest profit, Barca gets a player they need, Dembele is happy, and other young players know Dortmund is a good place to develop your skills for when you are ready for a big move.
 
serghei said:
Why do you think a talent like Dembele chose to go to Dortmund while saying he dreams to play for Barca when he is ready? He basically said all along that Dortmund is a step in his career.
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He did. But if it's only a 1 year step, then he shouldn't have signed a 5 year contract with no release clause. Or maybe he thought he'd stay longer and is now suddenly interested in taking the opportunity to play for Barca. Doesn't mean Dortmund have to comply and accept Barca's ridiculous 80m bid at the end of the transfer window. Barca are sitting on 222m they just made themselves Dortmund have every right to demand a fair price for one of Europe's biggest talents so late in the transfer window. Him not turning up to practice is ridiculous behavior. Maybe if Barca were so interested in him, they should make a better bid.
 
serghei said:
Why do you think a talent like Dembele chose to go to Dortmund while saying he dreams to play for Barca when he is ready? He basically said all along that Dortmund is a step in his career. Dembele to Dortmund and then to Barcelona is a good move for everybody. Dortmund make the biggest sale ever and the biggest profit, Barca gets a player they need, Dembele is happy, and other young players know Dortmund is a good place to develop your skills for when you are ready for a big move.
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So because Dembele and his entourage are possibly morons who signed a contract with Dortmund without knowing how they operate (or without asking them following your logic) Dortmund are bound to let him out of his contract for Barca's initial offer valuation. I see. Nice logic mate, keep going.
 
serghei said:
Why do you think a talent like Dembele chose to go to Dortmund while saying he dreams to play for Barca when he is ready? He basically said all along that Dortmund is a step in his career.
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And Dortmund was never under the impression that they'd have Dembele for a long time. However, already losing him after 1 year in mid-August to a club that just received 222M? Obviously they're going to ask for a huge transfer fee. Dembele only thinks about his own career and Dortmund thinks of their own ambition. It is what it is. I don't feel Dembele is being an asshole for wanting to move (who expected Neymar to leave?) but in no way is Dortmund being an asshole either.
 
serghei said:
Why do you think a talent like Dembele chose to go to Dortmund while saying he dreams to play for Barca when he is ready? He basically said all along that Dortmund is a step in his career. Dembele to Dortmund and then to Barcelona is a good move for everybody. Dortmund make the biggest sale ever and the biggest profit, Barca gets a player they need, Dembele is happy, and other young players know Dortmund is a good place to develop your skills for when you are ready for a big move.
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Why did he not tell his agent to demand a pro-barca buyout clause/private agreement? When have dortmund sold players they wanted to keep that weren't in the final year of their contract?
 
serghei said:
Don't compare treble winner and Brazil's best player to Dembele. Please. Dortmund is exploiting the bad state of the transfer market to their favor. Which is normal. Barca tries to make Dembele put pressure on his club so that they are reasonable in negotiations. That is normal as well. Barca is trying to get Dembele for a huge price. But Dortmund is asking for 150m, which is way too much for a player who is nowhere near Neymar for the time being.
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Barca can tap up all they want while trying to label it as something else. It doesn't make them any less of the classless club they are, which is nothing knew. What's comical is how they try to paint a "holier than thou" image, making them the biggest hypocrites in football (from oil money sponsorship to now tapping up and FFP). At least Real/Perez don't try to hide the fact that they are the meanest boys in the block.
 
By the way, if Dortmund get that money now, and don't find a replacement they can spend it on, it'll just sit in their bank account. If it just sits and they don't spend it, they have to pay far higher taxes and actually lose millions from the transfer fee because of it. Perhaps if Barca had allowed Neymar to leave at the start of the summer break, Dembele would already be a Barca player and Dortmund would've had time to find a replacement.
 
VorZakone said:
And Dortmund was never under the impression that they'd have Dembele for a long time. However, already losing him after 1 year in mid-August to a club that just received 222M? Obviously they're going to ask for a huge transfer fee. Dembele only thinks of his own career and Dortmund thinks of their own ambition. It is what it is. I don't feel Dembele is being an asshole for wanting to move (who expected Neymar to leave?) but in no way is Dortmund being an asshole either.
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Barca is offering a huge sum already. Dortmund is speculating the market post-Neymar to the expense of Dembele. That is what is happening.
 
Dortmund made Lewandowski run his contract out because they refused to sell him to Bayern. Dembele should have known.
 
fishfingers15 said:
No, the release clause is what Barcelona thought is a fair price. Dortmund is now asking Barcelona to pay what they think is a fair price. Till the transfer fee is paid, Dembele remains a Dortmund player and if he wants to force his way out, Dortmund will choose to discipline the player as it chooses.

I'm sure that we all have our blind spots when it comes to the club we support, but your posts stink not just of arrogance, but a total flippant attitude towards Dortmund. It's entirely possible that my posts were of a similar nature towards Dortmund when Kagawa/Mkhitaryan transfers were happening, but it's fair to call you out now. Just please stahp.
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Release clauses are not what the club thinks are a fair price. All clubs want release clauses to be as high a single possible, its what they would be willling to sell a player for. On the other hand, a player and his agent will want the release clause to be as low as possible, the higher it is the more the player will be compensated.

At no point did anyone at Barca think happy to sell Neymar if we get the fair price of £200m. Barca got caught out by the transfer market escalating so quickly.
 
The last couple of pages with all this back and forth with Serghei is totally random. Club quotes a price for selling a player. Buying club is negotiating. Fan of buying club is convinced the player is worth less and the selling club are greedy morons and a small club. All happens in a message board of another club. Everyone tries to point out the vain nature of this argument and flaw with Serghei.

Goes on and on and on.
 
serghei said:
Barca is offering a huge sum already. Dortmund is speculating the market post-Neymar to the expense of Dembele. That is what is happening.
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But it's not like Dortmund is completely refusing to sell Dembele right? There's a flip side to the coin mate, Dembele put Dortmund in this position in the 1st place. He thinks about his career and Dortmund thinks about their finances.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Release clauses are not what the club thinks are a fair price. All clubs want release clauses to be as high a single possible, its what they would be willling to sell a player for. On the other hand, a player and his agent will want the release clause to be as low as possible, the higher it is the more the player will be compensated.

At no point did anyone at Barca think happy to sell Neymar if we get the fair price of £200m. Barca got caught out by the transfer market escalating so quickly.
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I do agree, but I'm willing to concede to Serghei that 220 Million may be a fair price for Neymar.
 
serghei said:
Barca is offering a huge sum already. Dortmund is speculating the market post-Neymar to the expense of Dembele. That is what is happening.
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Perhaps you just don't know the player. The man is talented enough to be a huge success at Barca. If they want the player, they have to pay. Dortmund can sell at whatever price they want to. You're just being completely ridiculous about it, thinking that Dortmund are being mean, for taking good money off of Barca for the transfer.
 
fishfingers15 said:
The last couple of pages with all this back and forth with Serghei is totally random. Club quotes a price for selling a player. Buying club is negotiating. Fan of buying club is convinced the player is worth less and the selling club are greedy morons and a small club. All happens in a message board of another club. Everyone tries to point out the vain nature of this argument and flaw with Serghei.

Goes on and on and on.
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I'm having fun:D
 
Lyricist said:
By the way, if Dortmund get that money now, and don't find a replacement they can spend it on, it'll just sit in their bank account. If it just sits and they don't spend it, they have to pay far higher taxes and actually lose millions from the transfer fee because of it. Perhaps if Barca had allowed Neymar to leave at the start of the summer break, Dembele would already be a Barca player and Dortmund would've had time to find a replacement.
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Not sure how taxes work in Germany, but can't they just buy treasury notes or such?
 
Thought the Pogba transfer was crazy money, 11 months later, it's about to be surpassed not once, not twice, but thrice.
 
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