Barca are paying up. It's Dortmund who are asking unfair money because they know we sold Neymar.
Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD
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Barca are paying up. It's Dortmund who are asking unfair money because they know we sold Neymar.
Yeah, I know, I meant in regards to someone you wanted to keep, Guardiola tried to convince him to stay but he left for city for playing time/money.
Supply and demand must be a very confusing concept for you.
Hey maybe if you pay Neymar his $26M bonus, you can subtract it from the Dortmund fee.
Yup, good suggestion. Kind of like the no-trade clauses in the NHL – only waived if this and that team comes knocking. Also, something needs to be done about the whole mess that is called agents. It's in their interest to move players, that's how they make the dough.
Eventually, there needs to be some sort of entirely new system in place. Perhaps a more transparent one.
Barcelona demand world class players so other clubs have to supply them. That's how it works, right????
They're offering more than the fair price for him.
Supply and demand is a legal term. I'm asking for what is fair, not what is legal.
Dortmund hold the leverage here they should be bleeding them dry here.
Supply and demand is not a legal term.
Its a very fickle thing - paying for potential. Is he worth what they are asking? Of course not. Then again no player is "worth" their transfer fees. Its all a case of will he fulfill his potential and make your team better so you can win trophies. And Dortmund can well within their rights to even deem 200m from Barca cause what one team views as fair is not the same as the other. Opinions and transfer fees vary when we are talking about paying for potential.
What's fair for serghei may not be fair for Dortmund.
I hope they fecking bleed you dry. Not a penny less than 150m. Barca are always cnuts in the market.
I'd love to have Dembele at United.
But playing devil's advocate, is there a chance he's actually not as good as most here think he is? He's played in not very competitive leagues so far, with very little pressure on his shoulders. Is there a chance that if he came to the Premier league, he'd end up getting kicked about and generally bullied out of games? Is there a chance that a flashy player like him would end up being an inconsistent mess and a couple of years later disappear to some other league like Cuadrado did?
But playing devil's advocate, is there a chance he's actually not as good as most here think he is? He's played in not very competitive leagues so far, with very little pressure on his shoulders. Is there a chance that if he came to the Premier league, he'd end up getting kicked about and generally bullied out of games? Is there a chance that a flashy player like him would end up being an inconsistent mess and a couple of years later disappear to some other league like Cuadrado did?
It's nothing comparable but someone asked about what's shady and some things about this transfer are definitely unclear.
I haven't even mentioned the power play between different agents that had to be resolved in court.
That's a tad misleading, they're asking for "unfair" money because you're taking one of their best players and biggest talents, with 20 days to replace him in. If anything you're being unfair because PSG called your bluff.
Nah he's not.
I'm sure most people here want Dortmund to bleed Barca dry. That's not news to me.
Is there a special "lex Barca" that enables them to set the price for a player they desire with the owning club not having a say in this whole thing? I really must have missed something. And why didn't you sell Neymar for less than the 222m? I'm sure something around 150m would have been more than fair for him, too, amirite?
I don't think anyone can replace Neymar easily, we're talking about a top 5 talent in the world who has already proven himself. However, I think Dembele is about the BEST replacement money can buy. You get a player who I believe is a much better crosser of the ball, plays better with both feet, has great vision, and will develop further along, he's far from the finished product but he will contribute right away. I've always been a huge fan of Ousmane, but with an asterisk that I don't have with Mbappe, he is a loose canon. This is a guy that a couple of years ago threatened to retire from football to live in Senegal. Things like that scare me because they give me reminders of a Nicolas Anelka, supremely talented but with an attitude problem.
I thought he was smart to turn down the opportunity to go to Barcelona from Rennes because he wanted to develop and be a starter, but now that Neymar is gone he is going full force mode in trying to exit the club, skipping training and not giving any news of his whereabouts. It's another reminder that while the talent is supreme and very much there already, his attitude could be his downfall. He's only 20 years old, and how many of them have we seen fall by the wayside?
I think going to Barcelona will help him become a better professional (although I thought Dortmund would already do that), but I'm always going to have a worry in the back of my mind that Dembele will not realize his potential because of the hints of attitude he's shown throughout the years.
I thought he was smart to turn down the opportunity to go to Barcelona from Rennes because he wanted to develop and be a starter, but now that Neymar is gone he is going full force mode in trying to exit the club, skipping training and not giving any news of his whereabouts. It's another reminder that while the talent is supreme and very much there already, his attitude could be his downfall. He's only 20 years old, and how many of them have we seen fall by the wayside?
I think going to Barcelona will help him become a better professional (although I thought Dortmund would already do that), but I'm always going to have a worry in the back of my mind that Dembele will not realize his potential because of the hints of attitude he's shown throughout the years.
Is there a special "lex Barca" that enables them to set the price for a player they desire with the owning club not having a say in this whole thing? I really must have missed something. And why didn't you sell Neymar for less than the 222m? I'm sure something around 150m would have been more than fair for him, too, amirite?
Don't compare treble winner and Brazil's best player to Dembele. Please. Dortmund is exploiting the bad state of the transfer market to their favor. Which is normal. Barca tries to make Dembele put pressure on his club so that they are reasonable in negotiations. That is normal as well. Barca is trying to get Dembele for a huge price. But Dortmund is asking for 150m, which is way too much for a player who is nowhere near Neymar for the time being.
Same could be said of Mbappe. That wouldnt stop you from signing him if you were in charge would it?
Negotiations usually mean that, negotiation. Dropping a bid in "take it or leave it" manner and then provoking the player to violate his contract is just pathetic.
You call it fair to put a player up to breach of contract? Alright then.
Fair is a very subjective notion, in the end what is fair is what the selling club is willing to take.
Life is unfair when you are at the wrong end of the stick.
Barca style, rubs off on their "supporters", too.
Barca is not making Dembele do anything he doesn't want. He wants to come to Barca. It's his dream. He is not forced to come to Barca. He wants to go. One of the reasons why Dembele went to Dortmund is because he didn't think the club would block his way to Barca. He said when he is ready he wants to play for Barcelona.
One of the main reasons why top talents like Dembele go to Dortmund is that Dortmund is a selling club. By putting 150m. prices on their talents, Dortmund proves they are not very interested to listen to the players' best interests, even if they make almost 100m. profit. That is very bad news for every top talent who wants to play at a bigger club than Dortmund.
Was fabregas also a teenager not worth the money with arsenal also being unreasonable, this isn't the first time C*ntalona have tried these tactics.
For once I am partially agreeing with a Barca supporter.
That being said though they would probably sell at the price offered if this was june, but they can smell the desperation on you and are taking full advantage. Right now you are the club equivalent of that pissed guy asking the last girl in the pub right before closing time if she'd like to come home with him, you have no leverage what so ever and everyone knows you are acting out of desperation.
Don't evade the matter at hand, which is encouring a player into a contract breach. Consent by the kid doesn't neglect anything here. It's flatout dirty tactics from a club that just a few days ago wanted to form an international alliance against PSGs supposed foulplay. Double standards at its finest.
It might have something to do with a club trying to bully Dortmund into submission just 10 days before the start of the season...
It's relatively late in transferwindow and Barca comes knocking after they just got a cash injection of 222M. Obviously Dortmund are going to push for 130M. It's not about what is fair, it's about how far is Barca willing to go?
True. They are making a move FOR THEM, and completely against their player. Which is why the player is now refusing to train. He is smelling Dortmund's attempt to get rich at the expense of Dembele's future and his whishes.
They can sell Dembele for a lot of money, or they can get greedy for 20-30m. extra and ruin their image as a club who doesn't block young players' career dreams.
Mes que un club indeed!
By putting 150m prices on their talents they're doing exactly what they should be doing. Do you think Dortmund woke up one morning and said to themselves "hey lets be a selling club"? They got a taste of European glory in 2012-2013, and that campaign is what they wanna achieve again in the near future. They're currently building their brand and are on the way up. They don't want to be "a selling club" anymore and that was visible for everyone and it must've been visible for Dembele too when he signed. Yes, they're not Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Juve but they're aiming to get bigger and bigger. They declined to sell Aubameyang, and they're not going to sell Dembele for cheap money, knowing Barca can spend a lot right now. The transfer window is almost closed, a possible replacement would have had no pre season with them. Why should they sell him for 80m or something like that? Dembele is a top 3 tallent in Europe I would say. Biggest talent the Bundesliga has seen in god knows how long. He's got a contract till 2021. Dortmund, if they have to sell, can just as well sell him next year, and make the same amount of money.
Bunch of bullshit. The player signed a contract till 2021. Neymar wanted to leave Barca too, are you mad at Barca that they tried to block his wishes? Poor Neymar, Barca were being so mean when they told him not to leave. But differently to Neymar, Dembele has no release clause.
The whole concept of a player being owned by a club is flawed. The transfer market is broken, arbitrary, and getting more and more ridiculous at a faster rate than ever before.
I think we are going to see a major evolution in how agents advise their clients to agree to contracts. Release clauses, decreasing release clauses over the life of the contract, club specific release clauses, release clauses tied to progression of current team...the possibilities are endless.
I think we are going to see a major evolution in how agents advise their clients to agree to contracts. Release clauses, decreasing release clauses over the life of the contract, club specific release clauses, release clauses tied to progression of current team...the possibilities are endless.
Barca didn't try to block Neymar's whishes. You got it all wrong.
Barca tried to CONVINCE him to stay. As in convincing him that staying at Barca is better. Once he let the team know that he wants out, Valverde even released him from training to deal with PSG.
In the current market I would actually say that anything below 150m for Dembele is a joke for Dortmund.
Who are they going to get to replace him? The clubs they buy from will want big money, too. It's all a chain reaction.
There is no one they could get so late in the transfer window that could replace one of the biggest talents in world football. They aren't just there in order to make Dembele happy, the club is bigger than the player. They have a season ahead of them, too, and it'd be significantly better with a player of Dembele's caliber amongst them.
Who are they going to get to replace him? The clubs they buy from will want big money, too. It's all a chain reaction.
There is no one they could get so late in the transfer window that could replace one of the biggest talents in world football. They aren't just there in order to make Dembele happy, the club is bigger than the player. They have a season ahead of them, too, and it'd be significantly better with a player of Dembele's caliber amongst them.
This is nonsense. Dortmund allow players to leave when they have 1 year left on their contract (Kagawa, Mkhitaryan etc), or in some cases, they make them run down their contract (Lewandowski).
If you want to join Barcelona, or Real Madrid, in the near future, don't sign a 5 year deal elsewhere. Take a 3 year deal on far lower wages. Better still, a 2 year deal on very low wages.
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