Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD

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Sphaero said:
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So, now we are the bad guys of not just bending over the first chance we get? Cry me a river.

We gave Dembele pretty much the best stage he can develop on top level last season. An offensive minded European top 10 team, which played a good role in the CL and won a national trophy. He was allowed pretty much a free role with players around him dedicated to make him shine. He also had pretty much a starting guarantuee despite suffering through two minor slumps in the season (something that would not be allowed that easily in elite clubs).

Now we want him to stick around for longer than a fifth of his original contract. He wants to go to Barca, Barca wants him. We want compensation. Given the circumstances (key role, long running contract, late in the window) that compensation grows to a massive figure, but not an impossible one.

Blocking his transfer would be us demanding something Barcelona can not deliver, but they can. Everybody knows that. They just choose not to do so.

If you want to a have a guilty party why this transfer might not happen, Dortmund is the wrong direction you are pointing at. You have to point further South.
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I'm referring to Dembele in that post. Not Dortmund.
 
serghei said:
Barca is offering a huge sum already. Dortmund is speculating the market post-Neymar to the expense of Dembele. That is what is happening.
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More than double the past record transfer fee is never a fair price and Barca weren't willing to even pitch to the negotiations table if PSG weren't going to pay that. That's why Dembele is so expensive to Barcelona, cause of what Barca themselves did. No, a fair price is what Barca got Suarez for, not what PSG had to pay for Neymar(both were top 5 players in the world at the time of sale). This is the simple case of karma, as if other clubs were going to watch Barca get hoards of money and not raise their prices.
 
serghei said:
I'm referring to Dembele in that post. Not Dortmund.
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You literally accused us of not caring about his opinion and his future (I don´t even think this move is wise from Dembele´s perspective at this point in time). We would not negotiate if that would be the case. Here is a news flash. We don´t want him to go. We just listen to what Barcelona has to offer because he wants to leave.

Of course we want the maximum amount of money we can get here. We are not a charity organisation.

This is btw about more than just Dembele and Barcelona. This is also about making a statement. If clubs want our best players with these contract situations, they better be ready to be bled dry.
 
Sphaero said:
You literally accused us of not caring about his opinion and his future (I don´t even think this move is wise from Dembele´s perspective at this point in time). We would not negotiate if that would be the case. Here is a news flash. We don´t want him to go. We just listen to what Barcelona has to offer because he wants to leave.

Of course we want the maximum amount of money we can get here. We are not a charity organisation.

This is btw about more than just Dembele and Barcelona. This is also about making a statement. If clubs want our best players with these contract situations, they better be ready to be bled dry.
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Amen, Dortmund is simply trying to protect their asset. It doesn't matter how much they paid for him last year, this is about the value of the player today, especially if the person asking for him is a club that just received over 200m. This will not be easy though with Dembele, he is going to be a pain in the ass over this for the club and seems more intent than Veratti did in trying to force a move out. This could make matters difficult for Dortmund to make as much as they want out of him. The fact that he can't be found right now is worrying, he is set on leaving and usually these stories never end well for the club trying to hold on to the player.
 
serghei said:
It's different and you know it. United convinced him to stay. Hence why Ronaldo played a great season in 2008-09. They didn't force him to stay, but convinced him to, using different strategies.
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Ronaldo was deemed well below par by many for the first 6 months of the season, in part due to injury and in part due to unexplained reasons. It became clear later on it's because the move to Madrid was already agreed and his heart wasn't in it until crunch time. Personally I don't think it's that different. The major difference is we had the money and power to prevent him from going despite his obvious will to leave.
 
Sayros said:
Amen, Dortmund is simply trying to protect their asset. It doesn't matter how much they paid for him last year, this is about the value of the player today, especially if the person asking for him is a club that just received over 200m. This will not be easy though with Dembele, he is going to be a pain in the ass over this for the club and seems more intent than Veratti did in trying to force a move out. This could make matters difficult for Dortmund to make as much as they want out of him. The fact that he can't be found right now is worrying, he is set on leaving and usually these stories never end well for the club trying to hold on to the player.
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He is in Dortmund as reported by BVB. If Barca doesn't change course, and come up with a suitable offer, he'll be sulking for a while, and then ask himself whether it's more fun to sit outside rather than playing football.
There's a WC next year, and he doesn't get there by acting like a brat over the course of the season.
 
2ndTouch said:
He is in Dortmund as reported by BVB. If Barca doesn't change course, and come up with a suitable offer, he'll be sulking for a while, and then ask himself whether it's more fun to sit outside rather than playing football.
There's a WC next year, and he doesn't get there by acting like a brat over the course of the season.
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That's a good point. But I still hope that Barcelona grow up and pay the price, I wouldn't like it if he misses on his chance to join his dream club.
 
JPRouve said:
That's a good point. But I still hope that Barcelona grow up and pay the price, I wouldn't like it if he misses on his chance to join his dream club.
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If they don't, some other giant will turn up next year. Kroos also once said he'd prefer Barca over Real by some margin. He's pretty happy at Madrid now nonetheless.
But Barca will come to grips anyway. They have to act, and replace Neymar.
 
Sphaero said:
You literally accused us of not caring about his opinion and his future (I don´t even think this move is wise from Dembele´s perspective at this point in time). We would not negotiate if that would be the case. Here is a news flash. We don´t want him to go. We just listen to what Barcelona has to offer because he wants to leave.

Of course we want the maximum amount of money we can get here. We are not a charity organisation.

This is btw about more than just Dembele and Barcelona. This is also about making a statement. If clubs want our best players with these contract situations, they better be ready to be bled dry.
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Well, Dembele seems to think you are not interested in his future too much, or else he wouldn't react like that. Believe it or not, it's not Barcelona that made Dembele react this way, it's that he feels Dortmund are trying to block his move to Barcelona by asking way too much money. You are making a statement all right, good for you. Not so good for Dembele. My comment was from Dembele's perspective. Dortmund has every right to demand how much money they want. Dembele should have never gone to play for Dortmund if he wanted to move to Barcelona when he felt he was ready.
 
2ndTouch said:
If they don't, some other giant will turn up next year. Kroos also once said he'd prefer Barca over Real by some margin. He's pretty happy at Madrid now nonetheless.
But Barca will come to grips anyway. They have to act, and replace Neymar.
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Of course they are desperate. They´d struggle to finish top 4 in Spain with their current team, if anything happened to Messi.
 
Sphaero said:
:lol:

So, now we are the bad guys of not just bending over the first chance we get? Cry me a river.

We gave Dembele pretty much the best stage he can develop on top level last season. An offensive minded European top 10 team, which played a good role in the CL and won a national trophy. He was allowed pretty much a free role with players around him dedicated to make him shine. He also had pretty much a starting guarantuee despite suffering through two minor slumps in the season (something that would not be allowed that easily in elite clubs).

Now we want him to stick around for longer than a fifth of his original contract. He wants to go to Barca, Barca wants him. We want compensation. Given the circumstances (key role, long running contract, late in the window) that compensation grows to a massive figure, but not an impossible one.

Blocking his transfer would be us demanding something Barcelona can not deliver, but they can. Everybody knows that. They just choose not to do so.

If you want to a have a guilty party why this transfer might not happen, Dortmund is the wrong direction you are pointing at. You have to point further South.
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The same guy was crying about neymar not honoring his contract and leaving for psg, figures.
 
Kostur said:
Barca shouldn't have started all this shit with their dodgy Neymar deal and all that money laundering with his pops and Rosell or whoever the feck was in charge.
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Not Barca, the board and that's an important distinction. And yes, the board has been a disappointment from literally day one when they kicked Cruyff to the curb. I've already remarked on this with respect to the Dembele pursuit. Of course I don't approve of what is very probably directives from the board to pressure BVB into a sale or to lower the fee. This is the sort of clowns they are and as I always like to say from my line of work, you learn a lot about people in crises and make no mistake Barto is desperate due to the crisis that is, thankfully, threatening his tenure. Plus, in the end it isn't good for anyone - not the player, not BVB, not Barcelona's reputation & not the Barcelona players. Moreover, it's more likely to encourage the board of BVB to refuse to negotiate.

Amateur hour but this is the board the old conservative socis voted for, I had zero doubts they would crap all over the club long before they were elected. Many cules know this like I do but like with any issue in the world today, there is plenty of ignorance and excuse making to maintain the status quo

I believe the players by contrast are fairly relaxed about it as this is merely the entorno anyone associated with the club is long familiar with - we just haven't seen this sort of desperation since Gaspart or Núñez
 
At 130m Euros you would believe that pragmatic Juventus would start doing business for Dybala.

They've got their league locked down tight anyways, Dybala or no Dybala.

That being said I believe Dembele is the bigger talent of the two and will be a far better player.
 
SwansonsTache said:
At 130m Euros you would believe that pragmatic Juventus would start doing business for Dybala.

They've got their league locked down tight anyways, Dybala or no Dybala.

That being said I believe Dembele is the bigger talent of the two and will be a far better player.
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To have Dybala standing on Messi's feet? He's just a lesser version of him, and not what they need
 
JustFootballFan said:
Of course they are desperate. They´d struggle to finish top 4 in Spain with their current team, if anything happened to Messi.
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They have one of the top goalkeepers in the world, one of the top 5 CB partnerships in the world, a top 5 left back in the world, the best or second best defensive mid, options in midfield like Rakitic, Iniesta, Sergi Roberto, André Gomes, etc and then Messi and the best striker in the world ahead of him. They now actually have a right back too and a manager who will be getting the best out of their players which Luis Enrique wasn't doing. They'll be fine even if they don't sign anyone which of course it isn't going to happen. People who think they'll decline will be surprised, even last season with all their problems they fought for the title until the last game
 
2ndTouch said:
To have Dybala standing on Messi's feet? He's just a lesser version of him, and not what they need
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Not sure about Dybala's position but he seems to also operate a bit from RW, even though he is a SS.

Messi can play both centrally and on the right, being speculated that with age he'll move more centrally.

But yes, Dybala doesn't have the flexibility of Dembele.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Not sure about Dybala's position but he seems to also operate a bit from RW, even though he is a SS.

Messi can play both centrally and on the right, being speculated that with age he'll move more centrally.

But yes, Dybala doesn't have the flexibility of Dembele.
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Barca can't incorporate more than one player who doesn't have a fixed position. Dybala likes movement too much. He'd have to get used to playing a more restricted role, and he's yet to prove the ability and, more important, the restraint to do so.

Coutinho sort of poses a similar problem, but I have more faith in him to play a more specialist role, than I do in Dybala.
 
gingerless said:
No excuse for the shady dealings they've done in the past though, and I'm not liking how dembele is acting with his current club. We bought neymar and his greed / cnut dad came with it and it cost us massively in the end, If this is how dembele is going to act with his current club he could just as well do the same to us.

As for the people saying barca are trying to rip dortmund off, just stop the blind hate for a second ffs, if this wasn't barca everyone would be saying the fee for dembele is absolutely insane even if you take into account the neymar valuation.
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Its not blind hate. Its your club's history of using shady tactics to get your deal done at the price you want.

Your club, your players and your allies and fans in the media have a long history of pulling out every dirty trick to try to unsettle and tap up players to force clubs to sell to you for the price you want to pay. Long before your unscrupulous behavior with Cesc, I remember back in 2000-2005 every summer there would always be unsourced stories out of Spain about Henry wanting to come to Barcelona (which was total BS at the time). Every summer since Henry's breakout year your club and its allies were trying to unsettle Henry put pressure on us to sell. Fortunately Henry had no interest in Barca at the time(01-04) and Wenger had the balls to tell Barca to go do one.
This whole Dembele saga just smells of entitled Barcelona bending the rules, unsettling a player and then whining about how unfair the world is they can't get what they want, when they want for the price they want.
 
Sarni said:
Of course he is. Mbappe is quoted at £130m and it's a realistic price. Rashford is not worth close to that.
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I reckon Rashford would be worth about £80m at someone like Spurs, but at United they always seem to be less. Unless they're world beaters like Ronaldo
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Its not blind hate. Its your club's history of using shady tactics to get your deal done at the price you want.

Your club, your players and your allies and fans in the media have a long history of pulling out every dirty trick to try to unsettle and tap up players to force clubs to sell to you for the price you want to pay. Long before your unscrupulous behavior with Cesc, I remember back in 2000-2005 every summer there would always be unsourced stories out of Spain about Henry wanting to come to Barcelona (which was total BS at the time). Every summer since Henry's breakout year your club and its allies were trying to unsettle Henry put pressure on us to sell. Fortunately Henry had no interest in Barca at the time(01-04) and Wenger had the balls to tell Barca to go do one.
This whole Dembele saga just smells of entitled Barcelona bending the rules, unsettling a player and then whining about how unfair the world is they can't get what they want, when they want for the price they want.
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Remember when Spain won the World Cup and the Barcelona players put a Barca shirt on the then Arsenal player Fabregas? They have a habit of using dirty tactics to undermine other clubs. They were the club of the people, they wore UNICEF on their shirts to show they were 'more than a club' and were an ethical club who I used to admire, but in recent years they've become nothing but slimy tax-dodging, account-fixing criminals who are crying after Neymar (who was bought in a dodgy way full of false info) did a job on them. How many former club officials/players are in prison now or have managed to get suspended sentences? I have no doubt Dembele missing training was due to dodgy dealing by Barca.
 
MassiveMorgan said:
Remember when Spain won the World Cup and the Barcelona players put a Barca shirt on the then Arsenal player Fabregas? They have a habit of using dirty tactics to undermine other clubs. They were the club of the people, they wore UNICEF on their shirts to show they were 'more than a club' and were an ethical club who I used to admire, but in recent years they've become nothing but slimy tax-dodging, account-fixing criminals who are crying after Neymar (who was bought in a dodgy way full of false info) did a job on them. How many former club officials/players are in prison now or have managed to get suspended sentences? I have no doubt Dembele missing training was due to dodgy dealing by Barca.
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Indeed. That Barca shirt move right after the World Cup win seemed so odd and inappropriate at the time. And I really wonder how big the iceberg is with all the tax dodging.
 
Harry190 said:
Thought the Pogba transfer was crazy money, 11 months later, it's about to be surpassed not once, not twice, but thrice.
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Mourinho said it would look cheap in 12 months time.

He knew that the massive rise in TV and sugar daddy money would send the transfer market into BonkersSpere.
 
If barca find that whatever money they offered dortmund doesn't pursuade them, they should take that same money and buy a different player with it. If they don't like the players they will get with this money barca should increase their offer or quit the negotiations.

Dortmund needs to be compensated: they will have to finance a new player (transfer fee + wages) from barca's fee and dembele wages. Apparently, they will also have to give 25% of the fee away to rennes + some more to the tax man. The new player needs to have at least the same sporting output within one week and the same sell-on value as dembele. Otherwise dortmund doesn't gain anything from this transfer.
 
Member 5225 said:
Wtf

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Lots of people have a more powerful strike with their swinger, some have developed it enough to be more accurate too (e.g. Nani) and some have developed it to the point where they're comfortable taking strikes with it from set pieces. Shooting is one of the least frequent things you do on the pitch. First touch, passing, dribbling - they all happen much more frequently so that's what you should be thinking about when describing which foot you are. Dembele's ambidextrous but is more comfortable using his left foot for the bulk of stuff he does in the game. You can see that too.
 
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