Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD

[Brwned]

Barca doesn't keep players against their will. They're too proud for that. If you want out, they won't want to keep you anymore. Forcing players to stay is small club mentality. Why do you think Manchester didn't try to force Ronaldo to stay? Because they're bigger than just one player and the purpose of a big club is not to force players to stay by way of contract, but to ensure that the players don't want out in the first place. That is the difference between a big club and a smaller club. The big club doesn't need to force players to play for them.

It's well documented that Ronaldo wanted to leave in 2008 and we told him he had to wait for a year. To keep him sweet we used our financial might to gave him a significant payrise and agreed to let him to go to Madrid the following year, but we certainly didn't bend over the minute he wanted to leave. As far back as 2006 you had Ronaldo saying this:

"I should get out of Manchester as the circumstances are not right," he said. "Nobody stood up for me and my desire is to play in Spain. Will it be Real or Barcelona? It will be one of them."

Ronaldo claimed: "For some time I haven't had any support from my chief executive (David Gill) or my coach (Sir Alex Ferguson). They should have come out in my defence but no-one did.

Your argument is founded on a number of false notions I'm afraid.

 

[2ndTouch]

Barca is offering a huge sum already. Dortmund is speculating the market post-Neymar to the expense of Dembele. That is what is happening.

Barca wants a player, hence they will have to come to an agreement with the owning club. Barca thinks they can force things their way by resorting to bullying tactics, and now the player is going to stay put. Simple.
Btw, Mbappe's transfer is close to completion, 160m +add ons. Negotiated.

 

[giorno]

Must feel good to read this as a Real fan.

Would feel even better if Flo decided to take the piss out of barca and go in offering what dortmund are asking

Wouldn't make sense, but whatever, we already burned them on theo and ceballos, conpleting the treble would be worth it

 

[serghei]

But it's not like Dortmund is completely refusing to sell Dembele right? There's a flip side to the coin mate, Dembele put Dortmund in this position in the 1st place. He thinks about his career and Dortmund thinks about their finances.

No. They're just asking for too much money. They speculate the state of the market in their favor. Barca is instead speculating the players' draw for FC Barcelona in their favor. Everybody is playing their cards. Neither club is playing fair. Dortmund got Dembele because he thought they wouldn't try to block his transfer to a really big club if the opportunity came. Now, they are, by trying to ask so much money, that the move might be blocked as a result. Everybody could lose from this. Barca don't get Dembele, Dembele doesn't get his wish, Dortmund get a player who doesn't want to play for their club anymore. Everybody except people who dislike Barca. They couldn't be happier.

 

[gingerless]

I'm saying barcelona are still so butthurt over neymar they're delaying his playing transfer out of pettiness

And it's not about players or managers, those tend to accept their fellow's choices. Barca players and valverde are fine with neymar. It's the board that's butthurt

Tbf if Neymar had made his intentions clear earlier the board wouldn't be in this kind of situation trying to sign players at the last moments of the transfer window when nobody is going to sell mainly because they won't have time to replace their players. So I understand that they're butthurt.

No excuse for the shady dealings they've done in the past though, and I'm not liking how dembele is acting with his current club. We bought neymar and his greed / cnut dad came with it and it cost us massively in the end, If this is how dembele is going to act with his current club he could just as well do the same to us.

As for the people saying barca are trying to rip dortmund off, just stop the blind hate for a second ffs, if this wasn't barca everyone would be saying the fee for dembele is absolutely insane even if you take into account the neymar valuation. If this was a mere month ago dortmund would have gladly offloaded him for 100m. I don't buy into this "the market has transformed overnight because of 1 player being sold for a ridiculous amount" either, it's yet to be seen if the market is going to stay like this or inflate to absurdity like everyone is suggesting. Doesn't seem sustainable.

 

[VorZakone]

No. They're just asking for too much money. They speculate the state of the market in their favor. Barca is instead speculating the players' draw for FC Barcelona in their favor. Everybody is playing their cards. Neither club is playing fair. Dortmund got Dembele because he thought they wouldn't try to block his transfer to a really big club if the opportunity came. Now, they are, by trying to ask so much money, that the move might be blocked as a result. Everybody could lose from this. Barca don't get Dembele, Dembele doesn't get his wish, Dortmund get a player who doesn't want to play for their club anymore. Everybody except people who dislike Barca. They couldn't be happier.

While that may be the case indeed, I still sympathise with Dortmund's stance on this. Dembele is 20, he'll get his big move. And it even could be this summer if Barca pays up whatever price Dortmund feels satisfied with.

 

[serghei]

It's well documented that Ronaldo wanted to leave in 2008 and we told him he had to wait for a year. To keep him sweet we used our financial might to gave him a significant payrise and agreed to let him to go to Madrid the following year, but we certainly didn't bend over the minute he wanted to leave. As far back as 2006 you had Ronaldo saying this:

It's different and you know it. United convinced him to stay. Hence why Ronaldo played a great season in 2008-09. They didn't force him to stay, but convinced him to, using different strategies.

 

[serghei]

While that may be the case indeed, I still sympathise with Dortmund's stance on this. Dembele is 20, he'll get his big move. And it even could be this summer if Barca pays up whatever price Dortmund feels satisfied with.

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

He should have made sure he is able to move to a bigger club when the opportunity presents himself. He didn't and now Dortmund is treating him as a valuable commodity.

 

[2ndTouch]

No. They're just asking for too much money.

Well, then they can't have him. If PSG wouldn't have paid 222m, they wouldn't have Neymar either. My club wanted Verratti, but didn't want to pay 100m for him. So he's still at PSG. Mbappe will go to PSG for around 180m. If PSG wouldn't have agreed to the demands of the seller, they wouldn't have him either.
The potential buyer is not the one to determine on his own what a player is worth and what not, and there is no FC Barca exception from that rule.

 

[2ndTouch]

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

Obviously Barca isn't that interested in Dembele's interest, either. Otherwise, they would approach this issue in a more decent manner.

 

[ghagua]

My only thought regarding this is that I would hope wev'e already made inquiries but have been told they are already decided on where they want to go

It's frustrating when we need the talent way, way more than the clubs that will get it do.

I think that our position in the transfer market will be back inline with the Fergie years now.

We simply will not compete at the prices quoted for Neymar, Mbappe and Dembele.

Our day as the moneybags was short lived.

I have no idea how we are going to get to having a CL contending team again anytime soon.

I am not sure it's a money issue. There are reports that Mbappe does not like the style of football that is played under Mourinho. They are also aware of what is happening with Martial.

 

[VorZakone]

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

You're acting as if Dortmund has completely ruled out a transfer in this transfer window.

 

[serghei]

Well, then they can't have him. If PSG wouldn't have paid 222m, they wouldn't have Neymar either. My club wanted Verratti, but didn't want to pay 100m for him. So he's still at PSG. Mbappe will go to PSG for around 180m. If PSG wouldn't have agreed to the demands of the seller, they wouldn't have him either.
The potential buyer is not the one to determine on his own what a player is worth and what not, and there is no FC Barca exception from that rule.

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he'd better be worth it.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

He should have made sure he is able to move to a bigger club when the opportunity presents himself. He didn't and now Dortmund is treating him as a valuable commodity.

If he wanted to sign for Barca he should have waited at Rennes until they came and bought him. You did not sign for one club with the intention of eventually signing for another one.

 

[roonster09]

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

He should have made sure he is able to move to a bigger club when the opportunity presents himself. He didn't and now Dortmund is treating him as a valuable commodity.

Barca should stop act like acting cnuts and pay up the asking price. Dortmund made it clear Barca haven't got back with improved offer. Either pay or should shut up.

 

[Lyricist]

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he'd better be worth it.

Not he makes Barca pay 150m for him. Barca decide to pay 150m. If they don't want to pay that, they won't get him. They can get someone else instead.

 

[serghei]

Obviously Barca isn't that interested in Dembele's interest, either. Otherwise, they would approach this issue in a more decent manner.

You have no proof of anything. Barca is in Germany to negotiate his transfer. What Dembele does in the process is his and Dortmund's affair. 'More decent' manner. Like what? Pay whatever crazy sum Dortmund demands? Maybe Dortmund will start to think he is worth more than Neymar because he is younger.

Not he makes Barca pay 150m for him. Barca decide to pay 150m. If they don't want to pay that, they won't get him. They can get someone else instead.

Barca wanted him since at Rennes. He chose to go to Dortmund and now Dortmund is blocking his move to what he says it's his dream club.

 

[podurban2]

OK. And my initial post was that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund. Which was a true statement. Hell, most of the posts that followed have proved it even more, since no one is even considering Dembele's interest in this. Only Dortmund's.

He should have made sure he is able to move to a bigger club when the opportunity presents himself. He didn't and now Dortmund is treating him as a valuable commodity.

So Barca/you care about Dembele's interests? Please, Barca only care about themselves (and rightfully so), don't paint some kind of moral image here, it's petty. United bid way over the top for Perisic and Inter refused to accept it. Do you see people here victimizing Perisic and vilifying Inter? Give me a break.

 

[roonster09]

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he'd better be worth it.

Barca wouldn't have sold Neymar if not for release clause. Not every club's sole purpose is to cater Barca's needs.

 

[fishfingers15]

You have no proof of anything. Barca is in Germany to negotiate his transfer. What Dembele does in the
process is his and Dortmund's affair. 'More decent' manner. Like what? Pay whatever crazy sum Dortmund demands? Maybe Dortmund will start to think he is worth more than Neymar.

Well errmm.. yes.

That is the problem with this conversation. It's futile.

 

[2ndTouch]

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he better be worth it.

Well, that's the intricacies of a move to a pretty big club like Dortmund(370m revenue last year). They have given him the chance to play on a big stage, he signed a 5yr contract, and they have their own ambitions to chase. They are big enough to not buckle down at the first moment, to conditions the bully deems good enough.
If a player thinks this is unacceptable, he should look for smaller clubs, where he might get an exit an any desired point in time. Probably means playing small teams instead of CL quarters, though.

 

[JPRouve]

Barca wanted him since at Rennes. He chose to go to Dortmund and now Dortmund is blocking his move to what he says it's his dream club.

If you wanted Dembélé for cheap, you should have sold Neymar to PSG last summer.

 

[serghei]

If you wanted Dembélé for cheap, you should have sold Neymar to PSG last summer.

Neymar didn't want to move to PSG last summer. PSG should have contacted his dad sooner.

 

[Craig Ward]

He'll end up going no doubt.

Makes you think if they sign Dembele for 135, Coutinho for 100+ then the Neymar deal looks a good one for PSG.

 

[fishfingers15]

Neymar didn't want to move to PSG last summer. PSG should have contacted his dad sooner.

Hardly Dortmund's problem though?

 

[2ndTouch]

You have no proof of anything. Barca is in Germany to negotiate his transfer. What Dembele does in the process is his and Dortmund's affair. 'More decent' manner. Like what? Pay whatever crazy sum Dortmund demands? Maybe Dortmund will start to think he is worth more than Neymar because he is younger.

Dortmund released an ad-hoc bulletin for the shareholders today, stating there was an initial offer from Barcelona that got rejected, and nothing since then.

 

[Lyricist]

Neymar didn't want to move to PSG last summer. PSG should have contacted his dad sooner.

You're being such a hypocrite about this. Just don't pretend that Dortmund are somehow the mean guys for not wanting to sell their player for a bad price. Be real, put down your blaugrana tinted Barca shades, and accept that Dortmund have every right to demand a high fee for him instead of insulting them for not bowing to Barca's measly offer and Dembele's blackmailing.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he'd better be worth it.

Why should they? He signed a 5-year contract last year and now wants to leave.... how much does he care about Dortmunds opinion?

Players are spoiled babies who live in a bubble and throw tantrums. Hope Dortmund get all they can... same for any other club selling a player that wants to leave to "further his ambition".

 

[Kostur]

Barca shouldn't have started all this shit with their dodgy Neymar deal and all that money laundering with his pops and Rosell or whoever the feck was in charge.

 

[SwansonsTache]

bowing to Barca's measly offer

Not sure what they've offered but as I recall it is above 100m euros, not exactly measly for a 19 year old who was signed for 15m euros or something like that a year ago.

 

[serghei]

You're being such a hypocrite about this. Just don't pretend that Dortmund are somehow the mean guys for not wanting to sell their player for a bad price. Be real, put down your blaugrana tinted Barca shades, and accept that Dortmund have every right to demand a high fee for him instead of insulting them for not bowing to Barca's measly offer and Dembele's blackmailing.

I didn't insult anyone. Feel free to quote the part that is insulting to Dortmund.

Not sure what they've offered but as I recall it is above 100m euros, not exactly measly for a 19 year old who was signed for 15m euros or something like that a year ago.

Tell me about it. You'd think Barca offered them 30m. Actually, Barca already offered twice as much money as Dortmund's record transfer in their history.

 

[Shark]

Barcelona have been getting away with murder for as long as I can remember regarding transfer fee's. About time they've been probably shafted, like the rest of us. I guess the lure and of playing my with Messi is warring thin, as he nears his last couple of years at his best, if even that.

 

[Lyricist]

Not sure what they've offered but as I recall it is above 100m euros, not exactly measly for a 19 year old who was signed for 15m euros or something like that a year ago.

Given that Mbappe, the other French wonderkid, is probably going to transfer for between 160 and 180 million to a club that had already spent over 250 million in this window, why should Dortmund not demand a similar fee for transfering Dembele, a top talent in world football, to a team that sits on 222 million. Dembele's contract is going to run for 4 more years. Dembele really is that good. Why should Dortmund sell him for what would look like a steal in a year. They want money for selling him, and rightfully so.

That said measly was the wrong word.

 

[2ndTouch]

Not sure what they've offered but as I recall it is above 100m euros, not exactly measly for a 19 year old who was signed for 15m euros or something like that a year ago.

There's no credible source about the exact amount. So far the numbers reach from 80-100m. And since when is there an obligation for the potential seller to agree to an inital offer without any negotiations?

 

[serghei]

There's no credible source about the exact amount. So far the numbers reach from 80-100m. And since when is there an obligation for the potential seller to agree to an inital offer without any negotiations?

I never said Dortmund have to agree to anything. I basically said it's normal for Dortmund to exploit the market. But it is also normal for Barcelona to use their position to lower Dortmund's demands.

 

[SwansonsTache]

There's no credible source about the exact amount. So far the numbers reach from 80-100m. And since when is there an obligation for the potential seller to agree to an inital offer without any negotiations?

Not saying there is an obligation to do so. As I've written in another post Barca will and should expect to get shafted this late in the window, Dortmund would probably happily accept 100m euros for him in June or thereabouts.

Just hope the recent fee and wage inflation also will affect Dortmund. What is annoying with Dortmund is that they themselves expect to get players for a packet of crisps and a food stamp.

Clubs that sell to Dortmund in the future would be wise to add on a huge sell-on fee, like 40%.

 

[2ndTouch]

I never said Dortmund have to agree to anything. I basically said it's normal for Dortmund to exploit the market. But it is also normal for Barcelona to use their position to lower Dortmund's demands.

Resorting to that kind of tactics is probably not gonna fly, though. Dortmund don't need the money, and pissing them off is very likely not going to make them more open to this transaction.

 

[2ndTouch]

What is annoying with Dortmund is that they themselves expect to get players for a packet of crisps and a food stamp.

If you try harder, you can make it even more hyperbolic, I'm sure of that

Clubs that sell to Dortmund in the future would be wise to add on a huge sell-on fee, like 40%.

Rennes will get 25% of the fee

 

[Lyricist]

Not saying there is an obligation to do so. As I've written in another post Barca will and should expect to get shafted this late in the window, Dortmund would probably happily accept 100m euros for him in June or thereabouts.

Just hope the recent fee and wage inflation also will affect Dortmund. What is annoying with Dortmund is that they themselves expect to get players for a packet of crisps and a food stamp.

Clubs that sell to Dortmund in the future would be wise to add on a huge sell-on fee, like 40%.

That's the thing, Dortmund need to take into consideration that they themselves will be bled dry for any transfers that might or might not still happen.

 

[podurban2]

Barca should use their moral superiority to bully Dortmund into selling.

 

[Sphaero]

Again. I started this discussion on the premise (check the post), that Dembele made a mistake in signing for Dortmund, based on what is happening with him now. He should have gone to a club that is more understanding for him and his future. The fact that Dortmund doesn't care about his opinion at all, and is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible from Barcelona proves that Dembele's wishes are way way down on the priorities list for them.

Dembele should have chosen more wisely. And if he makes Barca pay 150m. for him, he'd better be worth it.

So, now we are the bad guys of not just bending over the first chance we get? Cry me a river.

We gave Dembele pretty much the best stage he can develop on top level last season. An offensive minded European top 10 team, which played a good role in the CL and won a national trophy. He was allowed pretty much a free role with players around him dedicated to make him shine. He also had pretty much a starting guarantuee despite suffering through two minor slumps in the season (something that would not be allowed that easily in elite clubs).

Now we want him to stick around for longer than a fifth of his original contract. He wants to go to Barca, Barca wants him. We want compensation. Given the circumstances (key role, long running contract, late in the window) that compensation grows to a massive figure, but not an impossible one.

Blocking his transfer would be us demanding something Barcelona can not deliver, but they can. Everybody knows that. They just choose not to do so.

If you want to a have a guilty party why this transfer might not happen, Dortmund is the wrong direction you are pointing at. You have to point further South.