That's very easy to say but what if Dembele doesn't want to come to United?
Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD
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That's fine but there have been strong rumors that we were after Perisic and just by social media and tabloids, it doesn't seem like we were after him at all.
Perhaps United secretly did approach Dembele but he turned it down. We don't know that.
Very reliable sources.
Good move from Dortmund, Barca are desperate and have 222m in the bank.
Fair enough... Assuming that could be the case, that just means that we as United aren't doing enough to attract the world's best players.
You then need to blame Mourinho, not Woodward
It's soul-destroying watching this unfold and knowing that by the time he moves it probably won't be to us. I don't usually engage in transfer muppetry but I have never wanted a player to play for my club more than I want Ousmane to. I remember being on here two seasons ago with a small group of other posters every Saturday watching his break-out season at Rennes. Unbelievably special talent.
These are exactly my sentiments on this transfer saga. The guy is a gem of a player and he will perform wherever he goes. That's a guarantee... just like Neymar. For all the talk that Woodward is trying to make a marquee signing... this lad is equivalent to a marquee signing.
It´s absolutely sad that a top 10 club acts like a b*tch to another top 10 club in the world. Dortmund doesn´t need the money. They have one of the best young cores in the world on long-term contracts and a lot of top players in the 26-30 years range. At their best they are no worse than current Barcelona minus Neymar. They clearly want the money. Say it´s €120M. Take off €20M that will probably go to Rennes. €60M for Mahrez and you are left with €40M to buy one defensive midfielder or right-back. All that for a 20 year old, who is a top future Ballon d`Or candidate.
Before this summer Dortmund only took it up the a*** from Bayern. Soon they´ll get free RedBull as a performance enhancer, cause they´ll need to do a round two with Leipzig.
Before this summer Dortmund only took it up the a*** from Bayern. Soon they´ll get free RedBull as a performance enhancer, cause they´ll need to do a round two with Leipzig.
Can't wait when he puts Man Utd up
Might be waiting awhile for that
Dembele over Bale?
Just when we thought RM/Barca dominance was fading away because of their superstars aging, new superstars emerge and they sweep them up. The timing is unbelievable.
If I was Woodward I'd fight tooth and nail for this kid. At least drive the price up ffs.
If I was Woodward I'd fight tooth and nail for this kid. At least drive the price up ffs.
Bingo
The strong I meant is like universal acceptance. Before this season, Kurzawa was more well known for people know don't follow French football at all.
This. Perisic would be very Mourinho's signing, Dembele not so much.
It may not mean like that at all.
For example, we were in for Ronaldinho, Quaresma & Ronaldo (with Querioz's reference). Losing Ronaldinho would mean Quaresma would see us as better option, but no he went to Barcelona anyways. Didn't mean we didn't do enough neither. Just player's choice. In the end fate stil got us Ronaldo... Moral lesson is all is not lost, just move on.
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Reckon Barca are going to get burnt on this one. Imo he's not ready for this kind of move at that kind of price, and once he doesn't deliver from the outset pressure will mount and it'll be difficult to justify 9 figures for him. His biggest current weakness(losing the ball too much) happens to be one of Barca's biggest qualities. I rate the lad and think he'll eventually be the Kobe Bryant to Pele's Michael Jordan, but not right now.
Not all of the world's best players are going to want to play for Jose Mourinho if they have other choices. You'll get some like Pogba and Ibra who will thrive in that environment and welcome that kind of manager. But the basic reality is that a lot of the flashier attacking players aren't going to want to play under Mourinho if they have other options (and all these players have other options because every big club wants them). You take the good and the bad together with Mourinho. He is a tactical genius and a proven winner but his managerial style and tactics are not for everybody. If you hire Mourinho, you probably don't get a player like Dembele. So if you want to sign players like Dembele, then find a different manager.
That's going to be a close to €100m profit for Dortmund over just a season. Funny thing is, a lot of people could already see how talented he was back at Rennes.
For sure.
There are diverse bonuses for Rennes including a 25% share in the future sale of Dembélé
For example, if Dembélé is sold 100 millions, then Rennes would receive 25 millions. This scenario would mean Rennes virtually sold Dembélé for an amount superior to 40 millions: 15 millions upfront + 25% of future sale + bonus on performance. Also, Dembélé is a product of the Rennes Academy so Rennes would also receive an additional 4% of the transaction value.
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He had lots of offers from bigger clubs than Dortmund.
Kickers latest reports say that Dortmund demand a figure slightly above €150m for Dembele and that Lyon's Cornet might be a possible replacement.
It also means that for Dortmund future fee has to be reduced by a 25% tax which makes even less incentive for them to sell.
Far more of a natural talent than Mbappe for me. These two are going to go head to head for the Ballon D'or in a few years time. A couple of years ago, I'd have kept Martial somewhere near that bracket.
Not speculating on the prices. Craziest market in history.
Not speculating on the prices. Craziest market in history.
Martial for £36m + bonuses looks an absolute steal considering the prices bandied about for similar talents barely 24 months later.
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I think Martial fee ended up being much higher than that and some of the bonuses were really straightforward to fulfil so he is going to end up costing well north of €60m. Still, that's a fairly decent price, in his first season he showed the level of promise at a level close to Dembele, Mbappe etc. He could end up not being as good as them but should develop into a nice player anyway. Hope it's here.
Picking up Rashford in academy looks even more of a steal. He is probably a £30m+ player in this market, comfortably, and could end up being much more.
That's still not his first strong season, universal acceptance and being well known doesn't mean much, particularly for football people.
IIRC all the clauses are for 4 years, (term of his contract). Clauses are 25 goals, 25 caps from National team and also Balon D'Or nomination.
It's fair to say he won't fulfill the last 2 in another 2 years.
What did woodward say about not watching the best talent go to Real and Barca?
I know we can't sign everyone but this is a player that I think we need. Can play on both wings, which are two positions where we are weak.
I know we can't sign everyone but this is a player that I think we need. Can play on both wings, which are two positions where we are weak.
If I am Barca I would actually think about taking a gamble on Martial and paying United what they paid to Monaco right now when his future seems more uncertain under Mourinho.
Talentwise he is right up there and can actually see him tearing up Late liga if he settles.
Talentwise he is right up there and can actually see him tearing up Late liga if he settles.
Woodward can do feck all if Mourinho wants Perisic pursuit has instead.
What's the point of Woodward buying him for 100 million and than having Lingard start over anyway cause he fits Mourinho's style more.
Martial was €50m (which was £36m at the time) and a further €30m in addons. One of the €10m clauses was already triggered last year. It was an insane fee at the time for a completely unproven player. He would be a bargain now, if Mourinho actually used him properly.
If Moratta is going for £60m in this market, then given that rashford is 5 years younger and he's English, I'd say he's comfortably worth more than him.
30 million for Rashford? Mbappe must be about 40-45m max then, we should go for him.
If Jose is 100% on Perisic then that's fair enough. But he isn't, by all accounts. We apparently made 1 bid for him months ago and have since talked about signing Bale. I don't think that "defensive winger" is a necessity.
He would tear it up. Really hope we give the boy an extended run in the team, 20 minute cameos just arent working. he deserves it for his ability, lack of alternatives and the fact he had a good pre season.
Blaming Woodward for players wanting to go to better clubs, this place is hilarious.
http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/jou...-va-battre-des-records-10-08-2017-7185480.php
Basically says that Barcelona and BvB are close to an agreement for 130m Euros.
Basically says that Barcelona and BvB are close to an agreement for 130m Euros.
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