Ginter was kind of a flop, which is why he joined a team below Dortmund.
Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD
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Ginter was kind of a flop, which is why he joined a team below Dortmund.
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Well you do sound pretty desperate, understandably given you just lost the 3rd best player in the world and were not a real threat in the Champions League even with him, cause the team is getting old and kinda shitty behind the front three.
I understand why you think Dortmund, Liverpool and Juve should give you their players for free. Ronaldo and Messi deserve a lot of credit for turning Barcelona/Madrid into the LA Lakers or New York Yankees of football. Suddenly the world is convinced that every footballer does want to play for them for free and that they will live a miserable life, if they do not.
100m. for a 20 years old who isn't yet the real deal sounds free to you?
This would frustrate me a a Dortmund fan. Surely if he takes the time to post a comment, he could have said something to end the rumour?
It just makes no sense financially to sell Dembele right now. They play with an incredible amount of house money. They can increase his wages to €15M per year over the remainder of his deal and the total package comes out to €80-90M for a five year deal of Dembele. Players like Morata and Lukaku cost that much on transfer fee alone. They can keep him for another two years and still sell him for €150M in two years, maybe even more. Why sell now? Furthermore with Aubameyang, Dembele, Guerreiro and Zagadou they have a French base that will allow them to tap into the rich French talent pool more easily, if they can keep them around.
Who's talking about money? I already said that if we match or beat Barca's offer, he still won't be coming to United.
Maybe he wants to leave and doesn't care what Dortmund fans think
Just throw more money.
It can't be more easy.
It can't be more easy.
He wants to leave. You don't say no when the big two in Spain come calling. Especially when you are at Dortmund. A team that will only win the league once in a bluemoon and have almost no chance in the CL.
He will guarantee trophies, playing at one of the biggest teams in the world, an increase in wages, an epic lifestyle in a great city, the chance to play with one of the best players ever, and he'll raise his profile for his NT team.
He will guarantee trophies, playing at one of the biggest teams in the world, an increase in wages, an epic lifestyle in a great city, the chance to play with one of the best players ever, and he'll raise his profile for his NT team.
Have we got any ambition ? Surely we should be all over this.
Not defensive enough for Mourinho.
He's exactly the kind of player that Fergie would have been moving heaven and earth to sign. God I miss that whiskey nosed old bugger
.Not defensive enough for Mourinho.
He's exactly the kind of player that Fergie would have been moving heaven and earth to sign. God I miss that whiskey nosed old bugger
Defensive enough... Sad ain't it.
Used to love being an attacking team.
It's very sad mate. I grew up watching Manchester United have a "you score one, we'll score two" mentality.
It's incredible that a club known for its attacking football has appointed three defensively minded coaches since the great man retired.
I really really hope that Mourinho can get us playing good attacking football, but the pursuit of players like Perisic leaves me unconvinced.
You made me realize that I would still take Klopp as our manager.
I was gutted we didn't sack SAF when he changed our approach to play zombie football, and winning few more titles.
The difference there is that at the time the Glazers were being as tight as a ducks arsehole. The zombie football was a resultant of having no choice but to adapt to the lack of investment in the team to stay competitive.
If Ferguson had been given £150 million plus a season back then, he he would have bought the attacking players that would have removed the need for "zombie football".
Our managers since Fergie have worked under no such circumstance and the style of play is personal preference rather than neccesity.
No end product? He was one of the highest assisters in Europe and he and Auba broke some sort of record.
Care to come again with your no end product remark?
Also what has Mbappe proven? I'd obviously take both but I kinda have to agree that looking at Dembele I think he could be the better player. However they are both outstanding talents and both could easily go either way and just be good or continue on their paths to elite status.
What has Mbappe proven you ask? The kid won the league title and reached the CL semi's while being a key attacker for them in the 2nd half of the season. He scored crucial goals against City and Dortmund and bagged a goal against Juve. All that at the age of 18, hell he started the season at 17 years old. He contributed with 20+ goals/assists.
That's one season. In reality he hasn't proven anything. We've seen other players have wonder seasons then never recreate that form again. Sanches last season. Mbappe and Dembele are both unproven talents. Let's see him do it again next year then we can say he is a "proven player"
What he is, what both are, are extremely talented players who should go on to be some of the worlds best.
They'll sell. You watch.
Renato Sanches' breakout season was clearly inferior to Mbappe's. Once again, he proved he can score goals in tight CL knockout games and he helped Monaco win the title. At 18 years old. Yes it was 1 season so far but that 1 season has already been better than most players can achieve.
Sanches won the league and cup double with Benfica, had a great Euros while winning it with Portugal and was outstading over two legs v Bayern. So good that Bayern signed him.
Id argue Sanches season was just as good
Id argue Sanches season was just as good
Like Cyberman has just said. Just to add Benfica were quite average until the emergence of Sanches. He is credited as being the major driving force in their title win. And goals aren't the only way to measure importance to a team. Sanches also scored goals in tight Euro games. So really there are similarities you just don't like it.
No one is saying Mbappe isn't something special, but he isn't proven. Back it up next year then we can say he has proved something.
Back on to the point, the guy said Dembele had no end product. You don't become one of the top assisters in Europe having no end product. I know exactly what Mbappe did last season, I watched his emergence. However he isn't proven.
70 millions is a joke in the current market
Especially after got that well known disclosed release fee.
I've never quite seen two footedness like it, he mixes his dribbling up with both feet it's amazing alternating feet as he runs and defenders haven't got a clue. I really think Dembele is gonna be top bracket, we should pay what it takes.
Barca are negotiating with Dortmund it seems. No point going all in with your first offer.
But it's close to start of the season where clubs start to close shop, so expecting a higher first bid so Dortmund may feel moved & start looking for replacement. This amount of offer is like those at the start of transfer window.
It seems like Dembele wants to go so that gives Barca some leverage in negotiations.
What times we find ourselves in when a €70m for a 20-year old on the back of 1-2 good seasons is considered way too low.
But Dortmund can refuse to sell this summer. His value is unlikely to drop. Potentially gets higher with time. Also Dortmund is in CL and all, so it's not the case the club fall too short for player ambition. He's only here for one season so it's hardly a case about Dortmund being a bad club blocking player's ambition.
The time when John Stones after his last season for Everton broke defender record or Mendy a year later after the first strong season.
They could refuse to sell but it seems like they're in negotiations with Dortmund from what's being reported.
From what I understand, submit first bid is not anything at deep into negotiaton process. You know, even when the fee is agreed, there is a lot to negotiate how the fee is paid (how much up front + per installments). First impression is important especially now is very close to the season, and Dembele departure is a huge change in Dortmund plan. If Barcelona is trying to slow down the process in hope for price bullying Dortmund, then Dortmund possibly would refuse to sell altogether. It's too much risk for Dortmund's future playing this negotiation this late, and after Neymar transfer may mean upscaling in transfer fee. 100mil may be amount to much less next transfer window, and as I said keeping Dembele is not the worst thing as his value unlikely to drop one bit next summer
Hopefully Dortmund won't sell him or at least gets more than 100 Million for him. He is just 20 and superb player, down the line this deal would look stupid if they sell him for less than 100 Million.
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