Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD

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beingshe7don said:
Practically every footballer wants to play in Spain with Barca or Real but that doesn't mean we stop trying to woo the best players in the world. Chelsea wouldn't have gotten Hazard if that was the case.
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Hazard had United as one of his top choices but chose Chelsea...he had options and wanted to go to Chelsea a bit more. Fair play.

The overall package of Barca and RM have always been more attractive to top top talent. But not all of these talents will go there or be wanted...i.e. Pogba, DDG to an extent. United is a unique challenge only for unique players, it's not for everybody regardless of how talented they may be.
 
Why would any 20 year old player want to go to Barcelona right now anyway?

Pique 30
Mascherano 33
Busquets 29
Iniesta 33
Messi 30
Suarez 30
Turan 30
Rakitic 29

Oh right the dream of playing with Ter Stegen, Umtiti, Digne, Semedo, Rafinha and Deulofeu. :lol:

Barcelona is looking at a very uncertain future.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Why would any 20 year old player want to go to Barcelona right now anyway?

Pique 30
Mascherano 33
Busquets 29
Iniesta 33
Messi 30
Suarez 30
Turan 30
Rakitic 29

Oh right the dream of playing with Ter Stegen, Umtiti, Digne, Semedo, Rafinha and Deulofeu. :lol:

Barcelona is looking at a very uncertain future.
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I for one am quite fond of playing with Umtiti.
 
Womp said:
There's pressure at every club, but nowhere near the pressure he'd get at United. More media coverage, more competition for places, more expectation, more wages, more scrutiny etc.
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He's competing with marco reus in dortmund compared to jese lingard at united, Pressure is always there but united is a club known for giving youth time and chances when you deserve it irrespective of age.

When Rashford can get chances so the point that at a big club at united there will be less game time and more pressure is not the wholesome situation.
 
prtk0811 said:
He's competing with marco reus in dortmund compared to jese lingard at united, Pressure is always there but united is a club known for giving youth time and chances when you deserve it irrespective of age.

When Rashford can get chances so the point that at a big club at united there will be less game time and more pressure is not the wholesome situation.
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What? Reus plays off the left and Lingard plays predominantly off the right for us. Rashford is getting chances because his mentality is immense though, not every youngster shares a similar mentality to Rashford which was the intial point.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Why would any 20 year old player want to go to Barcelona right now anyway?

Pique 30
Mascherano 33
Busquets 29
Iniesta 33
Messi 30
Suarez 30
Turan 30
Rakitic 29

Oh right the dream of playing with Ter Stegen, Umtiti, Digne, Semedo, Rafinha and Deulofeu. :lol:

Barcelona is looking at a very uncertain future.
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Perhaps for precisely that reason.

Your path into the first team is more assured than ever.
 
RedRonaldo said:
What the actual feck? 100m for Dembele is far too low?
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It is because they know Barca has money to splash and they also know Barca will probably spend that money to save the face. I was always frustrated with the fact that we did not spend Ronaldo's money. But, in hindsight, financially one could say that it was a rational move. The rumored prices for Dembele and Coutinho does not make any sense.
 
Z_Wolf said:
You're one of those deluded kids that think Martial's a world beating talent ha? clueless bunch
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I'm deluded? Just throw Martial and 70 million at Dortmund, easy as that. Haha, crack on fella.
 
prtk0811 said:
He's competing with marco reus in dortmund compared to jese lingard at united, Pressure is always there but united is a club known for giving youth time and chances when you deserve it irrespective of age.

When Rashford can get chances so the point that at a big club at united there will be less game time and more pressure is not the wholesome situation.
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Do you mean the Marco Reus who is constantly injured? Plus Dortmund is notorious for providing young players with plenty of chances as well. Look how many of their players, who failed at bigger clubs, returned to them.

While we also give youth a chance, we obviously face more pressure to succeed, as we simply depend on a lot higher amount of income, which is based on us being a global brand, which again is a result of our past success, something Dortmund has not achieved to that degree.

I know some Dortmund fans and as talented as Dembele is, he has also frustrated the living hell out of them with his decision making and his inconsistency. The difference is, Dortmund allows him more leeway because they see his talent and can afford to let him commit mistakes.
 
:lol: 100m. far too low. For a player who last year was signed for 15m. Get the feck out of here.

Football has gone to shit. These days, it's sell a player, build a stadium.
 
serghei said:
:lol: 100m. far too low. For a player who last year was signed for 15m. Get the feck out of here.
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Well you don't have to sign him if he's too expensive. I'm sure arda turan can do a job :rolleyes:
 
Dortmund can milk them, only a matter of time before they would start selling their players more expensive and it seems the Neymar transfer will increase the price of Dembele/Pulisic/Dahoud/Weigl if they would move in the future.

You could always get value for their players in the past
 
giorno said:
Well you don't have to sign him if he's too expensive. I'm sure arda turan can do a job :rolleyes:
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Well, the problem is the player wants to come because his dream is to play for Barcelona. He's said it himself.

Alcacer surely can do the job, as he proved on Bernabeu.
 
serghei said:
Well, the problem is the player wants to come because his dream is to play for Barcelona. He's said it himself.
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Means nothing. Dortmund are rich, player has 4 years of contract left, they can afford to play hardball as much as they want

Well, Alcacer surely can do the job, as he's proved it on Bernabeu.
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Heh, sure, play Alcacer, i'm sure it will work out :drool:
 
giorno said:
Means nothing. Dortmund are rich, player has 4 years of contract left, they can afford to play hardball as much as they want


Heh, sure, play Alcacer, i'm sure it will work out :drool:
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They can afford to play hardball as long as they don't upset their player too much. An unmotivated player is not as much of an asset as a fully motivated and happy one, and his value can only drop if he starts to play as if he wants to be somewhere else. Surely, a football connoisseur like you would know that.
 
serghei said:
They can afford to play hardball as long as they don't upset their player too much. An unmotivated player is not as much of an asset as a fully motivated and happy one, and his value can only drop if he starts to play as if he wants to be somewhere else. Surely, a football connoisseur like you would know that.
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He has 4 years of contract. Who has the most to lose in this situation? A club that doesn't need the money or a player who might ruin the most important formative years of his career?
 
giorno said:
He has 4 years of contract. Who has the most to lose in this situation? A club that doesn't need the money or a player who might ruin the most important formative years of his career?
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Both lose in this case. 100m. would be more than double the record selling for Dortmund. They would be crazy to not take that for a 20 years old player who still has a lot to prove in the game.

And Dortmund need the money btw.
 
Kurosawa said:
That maybe so, and I'm not really disputing that. My argument is that the fee they are demanding has very little to do with the fact that we are in August but more to do with the fact that the whole football world knows Barcelona are have £200m available. Dortmund don't even shop in the end of the market which will see them spend even half of a €100m fee.

It's an entirely different scenario to, for example Leipzig who were clear from the outset that Keita is not for sale, they are talking of a fee not being enough, which means they have a fee in mind. Suggestive of a club which sees the perfect opportunity to take advantage of another's desperation.

What do you mean by 'plan the sales? ' Selling clubs sell when a situation presents good financial sense. Which means they almost always have replacements in mind before offers come in as the nature of football dictates that you be prepared for unexpected situations such as Neymar's release clause being met.

I remember reading an article on the Southampton D.O.F talking about knowing in advance/having a list of players who they would target in the event that any of their players left and even their manager. It helps no one for a club to be unprepared particular one that is not at the top of the food chain. I'm quite certain Watzke and Zorc have a pretty good idea who they would target to replace Dembélé.

@ti-vu
I think this argument applies to your reply.
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That's the key, as long aso you don't understand that clubs like Monaco or Dortmund sell players to finance their own objectives you won't understand what a selling club is. A selling club can't choose money over football or football over money, their decisions are always a combination of both that's why they schedule their sales, if you ask them to sell a player outside of their schedule, you will have to pay for it.

As for the Soton example, not only they blocked players transfers because they couldn't replace them but you have to remember that your list in June will be different in August, because some players move and their clubs aren't necessarily in a position to sell.
 
serghei said:
Both lose in this case. 100m. would be more than double the record selling for Dortmund. They would be crazy to not take that for a 20 years old player who still has a lot to prove in the game.
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Except they'd rather keep the player than sell (@JPRouve just gave a more comprehensive answer)

And for what it's worth, if i were barcelona i'd pay anything up to €150M for him. The important thing is to keep his wages at no more than €10/12M a year(gross). I really don't see a better alternative. Pay this for him and still have another €150M to test liverpool's resolve for coutinho. Or sign Seri for the midfield and blow the full €222M on dybala(and then watch juventus blow most of it on Dembele)
 
giorno said:
Except they'd rather keep the player than sell

And for what it's worth, if i were barcelona i'd pay anything up to €150M for him. The important thing is to keep his wages at no more than €10/12M a year(gross). I really don't see a better alternative. Pay this for him and still have another €150M to test liverpool's resolve for coutinho. Or sign Seri for the midfield and blow the full €222M on dybala(and then watch juventus blow most of it on Dembele)
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Exactly, the only problem for Barcelona is the wage. As long as they manage to sign two players with Neymar's wage, they will be fine.
 
giorno said:
Except they'd rather keep the player than sell

And for what it's worth, if i were barcelona i'd pay anything up to €150M for him. The important thing is to keep his wages at no more than €10/12M a year(gross). I really don't see a better alternative. Pay this for him and still have another €150M to test liverpool's resolve for coutinho. Or sign Seri for the midfield and blow the full €222M on dybala(and then watch juventus blow most of it on Dembele)
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I would understand that if Dortmund, with Dembele, wouldn't have ended 20 points behind Bayern. Keep the player for what exactly? They don't have very big objectives, and they can make CL places and fight hard for the DFB Pokal without Dembele as well.

We'll see what happens. Barca will not pay a lot more than 100m. for Dembele, or any other player for that matter. Teams who ask that money need to be a bit more realistic. Neymar is a treble winner and the best player of Brazil and one of the best players in the world. Nobody will play 75% of Neymar's cost to land a player who is very much still unproven.

For 150m. you expect certified world class player. Dembele is not that level, so he shouldn't command that price.
 
serghei said:
I would understand that if Dortmund, with Dembele, wouldn't have ended 20 points behind Bayern. Keep the player for what exactly? They don't have very big objectives, and they can make CL places and fight hard for the DFB Pokal without Dembele as well.

We'll see what happens. Barca will not pay a lot more than 100m. for Dembele, or any other player for that matter. Teams who ask that money need to be a bit more realistic. Neymar is a treble winner and the best player of Brazil and one of the best players in the world. Nobody will play 75% of Neymar's cost to land a player who is very much still unproven.
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And no big club will sell their best players to barcelona for less than most of neymar's buyout clause in August 2017
 
serghei said:
I would understand that if Dortmund, with Dembele, wouldn't have ended 20 points behind Bayern. Keep the player for what exactly? They don't have very big objectives, and they can make CL places and fight hard for the DFB Pokal without Dembele as well.

We'll see what happens. Barca will not pay a lot more than 100m. for Dembele, or any other player for that matter. Teams who ask that money need to be a bit more realistic. Neymar is a treble winner and the best player of Brazil and one of the best players in the world. Nobody will play 75% of Neymar's cost to land a player who is very much still unproven.

For 150m. you expect certified world class player. Dembele is not that level, so he shouldn't command that price.
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In that case, Barcelona should stop wasting people's time and purchase the players that would have replaced Coutinho or Dembélé...
 
giorno said:
And no big club will sell their best players to barcelona for less than most of neymar's buyout clause in August 2017
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We'll see what happens.

JPRouve said:
In that case, Barcelona should stop wasting people's time and purchase the players that would have replaced Coutinho or Dembélé...
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The same answer as above. We'll see what happens. We might replace Neymar with no one and switch to a 2 forward system and sign a midfielder. Nobody in the world has 2 better forwards than Messi and Suarez anyway.

We should first talk to Dembele and Coutinho to force their moves and talk to their clubs to accept a fair transfer sum. If other teams think every club is funded by oil or gas money, they can keep their players.
 
serghei said:
We'll see what happens.



The same answer as above. We'll see what happens. We might replace Neymar with no one and switch to a 2 forward system and sign a midfielder. Nobody in the world has 2 better forwards than Messi and Suarez anyway.

We should first talk to Dembele and Coutinho to force their moves and talk to their clubs to accept a fair transfer sum. If other teams think every club is funded by oil or gas money, they can keep their players.
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Are you genuinely suggesting that Barcelona should unsettle players and push them to create troubles, in order to lower the transfer fees? And then you have the audacity to complain about "unfair" transfer fees?:lol:
 
serghei said:
We'll see what happens.



The same answer as above. We'll see what happens. We might replace Neymar with no one and switch to a 2 forward system and sign a midfielder. Nobody in the world has 2 better forwards than Messi and Suarez anyway.

We should first talk to Dembele and Coutinho to force their moves and talk to their clubs to accept a fair transfer sum. If other teams think every club is funded by oil or gas money, they can keep their players.
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With all due respect... you have already tried to "force Veratti move" - and we all know the outcome. And considering that Suarez' buyout clause is even lower than that of Neymar...
 
JPRouve said:
Are you genuinely suggesting that Barcelona should unsettle players and push them to create troubles, in order to lower the transfer fees? And then you have the audacity to complain about "unfair" transfer fees?:lol:
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No. I am suggesting that Barcelona should tell those players that the transfer could not be done because their clubs are asking unreasonable money. And that the only way they can come to Barca is if their clubs lower their demands to a more 'normal' figure.

That's informing the players about the state of the negotiations. Not forcing them to do anything. It's always a possibility that clubs could just take advantage of PSG ruining the transfer market with the Neymar deal. Barca should not play along. That's all.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
But all the other guys they sold were in the last year of their contract.
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Ginter... 5yr contract in 2014... sold this summer
serghei said:
I would understand that if Dortmund, with Dembele, wouldn't have ended 20 points behind Bayern. Keep the player for what exactly? They don't have very big objectives, and they can make CL places and fight hard for the DFB Pokal without Dembele as well.

We'll see what happens. Barca will not pay a lot more than 100m. for Dembele, or any other player for that matter. Teams who ask that money need to be a bit more realistic. Neymar is a treble winner and the best player of Brazil and one of the best players in the world. Nobody will play 75% of Neymar's cost to land a player who is very much still unproven.

For 150m. you expect certified world class player. Dembele is not that level, so he shouldn't command that price.
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lets see how much Mbappe goes for then... but Im going to guess somewhere around 75% of Neymars cost
 
serghei said:
No. I am suggesting that Barcelona should tell those players that the transfer could not be done because their clubs are asking unreasonable money. And that the only way they can come to Barca is if their clubs lower their demands to a more 'normal' figure.

That's informing the players about the state of the negotiations. Not forcing them to do anything. It's always a possibility that clubs could just take advantage of PSG ruining the transfer market with the Neymar deal. Barca should not play along. That's all.
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Isnt that something they are not allowed to do until they have the selling clubs permission to talk to the player...

Another transfer ban on the way if they start with that crap...
 
sun_tzu said:
Isnt that something they are not allowed to do until they have the selling clubs permission to talk to the player...

Another transfer ban on the way if they start with that crap...
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Every club does it. If they ban clubs for that, no big club would be allowed to make any transfers for 1 year or more.
 
sun_tzu said:
isnt that almost exactly like Barca's defense for recruiting all those overseas kids into their academy - remind me how that one played out in court
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Not the same.

Do you think Barca gave PSG the permission to talk to Neymar and convince him to leave Barca?
 
sun_tzu said:
They probably just sat him down at the end of last season and told him how well he would link up with Veratti and he got so excited he just had to make it happen when Barca couldnt;)
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Yeah, well, all big clubs talk with players under contracts without the permission of their club, it's common practice. It's how most transfers happen, considering that in a lot of those deals the clubs don't initially want to sell.
 
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