Why? We are 4pts ahead of spurs with a game in hand. 7pts clear of Liverpool. Nothing to suggest we’ll suddenly lose 3 in a row.
Our form since the restart...WWWWWWWDLWWWWDWDWWWWL…WDWW (also the calm down thread)
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Why? We are 4pts ahead of spurs with a game in hand. 7pts clear of Liverpool. Nothing to suggest we’ll suddenly lose 3 in a row.
Terrible, terrible result - made worse by the fact it was against Liverpool. I had expected perhaps a 3-0 defeat given that we've looked like we're running on empty for quite some time, and Liverpool have started hitting some kind of form (as has Salah personally). Given our goalscoring record at Anfield in recent years, and with no recognised centre forward at present, outscoring them was always going to be difficult.
Once even they got over the shock of the result, I had Liverpool-supporting mates winding me up last night - I've had nothing today. And I've had the first hour or so in work with people winding me up. So whilst I agree with pretty much every poster in here that it both hurts and it's completely unacceptable - and the players should absolutely be made aware of just how unacceptable it is to lose a game of such magnitude in such a way - providing they can reset their heads ready for Thursday and not let this linger in the minds, we should be okay to see out the rest of our season. But learning the lessons and having that strong mentality are absolutely key.
Whether I choose to be annoyed about it or try and move on from it over the next few days, neither will directly impact how the team performs against Betis; but the latter will at least ensure both my work and personal lives don't suffer any more than they need to. Also, I don't remember the last time I read the "history books", so I'm not overly concerned about this result being etched in stone somewhere. I'm also not a massive user of social media, so don't really care what people on there are saying about yesterday's result either.
If we're in the top four come the end of the season, then Erik ten Hag has exceeded expectations in his first season in charge - Champions League football and a minimum of one trophy is beyond what the Board will have expected from him this year. So it's progress, despite how jaded everyone is feeling after this result.
Once even they got over the shock of the result, I had Liverpool-supporting mates winding me up last night - I've had nothing today. And I've had the first hour or so in work with people winding me up. So whilst I agree with pretty much every poster in here that it both hurts and it's completely unacceptable - and the players should absolutely be made aware of just how unacceptable it is to lose a game of such magnitude in such a way - providing they can reset their heads ready for Thursday and not let this linger in the minds, we should be okay to see out the rest of our season. But learning the lessons and having that strong mentality are absolutely key.
Whether I choose to be annoyed about it or try and move on from it over the next few days, neither will directly impact how the team performs against Betis; but the latter will at least ensure both my work and personal lives don't suffer any more than they need to. Also, I don't remember the last time I read the "history books", so I'm not overly concerned about this result being etched in stone somewhere. I'm also not a massive user of social media, so don't really care what people on there are saying about yesterday's result either.
If we're in the top four come the end of the season, then Erik ten Hag has exceeded expectations in his first season in charge - Champions League football and a minimum of one trophy is beyond what the Board will have expected from him this year. So it's progress, despite how jaded everyone is feeling after this result.
This.
We've been outplayed for long periods of games by Leicester, West Ham, Leeds, Liverpool and arguably Newcastle in the past few weeks. Only Liverpool have punished us but we've ridden our luck a little of late.
So we may not lose 3 in a row, but dropping more points in the next few games, especially after the hammer blow of yesterday, is not at all fanciful. Next 3 games include Newcastle away and Brentford at home. If we're complacent we could properly feck up top 4.
Yes, but we’ve also seen Newcastle, Tottenham and Liverpool showing a tonne of inconsistency as well. Even if we drop a few points here and there our rivals will also drop points.
Liverpool have City and Arsenal quite soon. Tottenham and Newcastle play each other. They can’t both win.
I still cannot get my head around this capitulation. My only worry is something has gone on in the dressing room during the week to upset things. This couldnt be about us being knackered and Liverpool just clicking all of a sudden. You dont just fall apart like that after having a really strong season. I hope the gaffer has tore them apart today. The Betis game cant come quick enough and I also think Bruno needs to be dropped for a few games. The guy never gets dropped.
For Southampton it'd be a bad day in the office. Not for the biggest club in the country against their biggest rivals.
OK so what if these teams put a little run together? I'm not saying they will, but we can't be complacent and assume they won't. You're arguing that we should rotate for league games because we've sewn it up. I'm saying that is an extremely dangerous decision that could completely derail our season.
8 shots on target and 7 goals - how often does that happen do you think?
The user in question was one of OGSs most ardent supporters, and absolutely berated other posters that were critical of him. It doesn't take a genius to work out what the subtext is here however careful is he is not to mention the manager.
Sensible OP but yesterday it was the downing of tools and players heads going that were far more worrying than the scoreline.
Liverpool took full advantage of our mistakes and then the complete apathy to doing the basics. Liverpool did have a lot of luck too, every bounce just seemed to fall just right and every shot went in.. but we made it so easy for them making fundamental mistake after mistake, poor passing, pressing when we should sit, failing to run the list goes on and on.
we are hurting but its how we react going forward and we have to react.
Liverpool took full advantage of our mistakes and then the complete apathy to doing the basics. Liverpool did have a lot of luck too, every bounce just seemed to fall just right and every shot went in.. but we made it so easy for them making fundamental mistake after mistake, poor passing, pressing when we should sit, failing to run the list goes on and on.
we are hurting but its how we react going forward and we have to react.
Not really, a bad day at the office is 3 or 4 nil not fecking 7-0 a week after winning the first trophy of the season.
A loss is only 3 points no matter how many goals involved, no red cards, no major injuries so pride damaged, morale knocked, 3 points not gained, still comfortable in 3rd and a realistic chance of 2 more cups.
ETH will absolutely kick some tail, we have been complacent and poor especially 1st half of games, understandable given our fixture list but I am going to hope this is the kick up the backside the team needed to spur them on for the rest of the season
ETH will absolutely kick some tail, we have been complacent and poor especially 1st half of games, understandable given our fixture list but I am going to hope this is the kick up the backside the team needed to spur them on for the rest of the season
Who is ignoring yesterday's result?! Do you really believe that anybody isn't 'caring hard' about yesterday's game? It's just that some people are attempting to see the bigger picture of progress, the sheer number of games that we have played since Christmas, and the freak nature of some of the goals yesterday, in attempt to add some perspective. Out of interest, who do you give plaudits to when things go well? In your worldview the manager doesn't seem to have much influence if you put 'all the fault on the players' when things go bad, which totally absolves a manager from any responsibility at all. The issue is that you have made a rod for your own back by your refusal to be critical of OGS even when he was 2 years into the job. It's now left you in the position where it's in your interests to attempt to whip up a storm about the magnitude of yesterday's result, but you don't want to overtly criticise the manager because you know that would be laughable given your stance on OGS.
The fact is that nobody covered themselves in glory yesterday.The way ETH had the team lining up positionally, the personnel, the substitutions were all horrible yesterday, and deserve criticism where it is due, in the same way that we dish out praise. The team were OK in the first half - and Antony, for all your criticism, was actually causing them some problems - but absolutely fell apart in the second half. There are some reasons for that, but it was still atrocious. There needs to be appraisal and criticism where it is due, but it needs to be in the context of the season as a whole and taking into account factors like fatigue. It does nobody any good to spend time attempting to make this into an even bigger deal than it already is. ETH needs everyone to pull together now and move on to the point where we can hopefully look back at the end of the season and see this a freakshow of a result. If we finish top 3 and get a couple of cups under our belt I will take the 7-0 on the chin.
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Not happy! Even though We have progressed a lot since last season, 7-0 is a disastrous result. Liverpool fans will tell their grandkids about that game. There will be songs and chants written about it. A drubbing from Liverpool should never ever happen. Those players need a kick up the a**e.
Instead of going in to hiding (which they probably all will for a week or so) They should be made to face the fans and explain themselves.
Instead of going in to hiding (which they probably all will for a week or so) They should be made to face the fans and explain themselves.
So what now? Should the club shut down now that we lost 7:0 to one of our biggest rivals? What has Liverpool achieved this season apart from defeating us by 7 goals? Being upset is fine but acting like it's doomsday even though we are winning a lot of games and defeated teams like City, Barcelona, etc is a bit crazy. Besides nothing can be done now apart from getting back up and finishing in the top 4 and keeping Liverpool out of the top 4, that won't be as spectacular as defeating them by 7 goals but it will be revenge.
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I have never taken the win rate this season that seriously. We mostly had favourable cup draws apart from Barca and we are in the Europa, not CL.
Plus playing most of your first team players in cup games will usually get you wins against the likes of Forest.
Our league form/win rate in the league isn’t that impressive and our goal difference is really bad.
There has been progress for sure, but not as much as it has been made out in the previous weeks.
Plus playing most of your first team players in cup games will usually get you wins against the likes of Forest.
Our league form/win rate in the league isn’t that impressive and our goal difference is really bad.
There has been progress for sure, but not as much as it has been made out in the previous weeks.
Yes it is
Understandable, I am just a very chill person + maybe not being English, I haven't had this bone to be extra motivated against Liverpool or City as some of you do. Yes, they are our main local rivals, but I am just not that bothered, as I am seeing the bigger picture and that we have on the right path atm.
Nevertheless, we can't allow more of that this season for sure, next season hopefully we have more firepower and unity to avoid anything like that overall.
Who actually said that, I can't remember seeing more than a few half joking posts about us being in with a shout of winning the league.
We are currently on the way to a 74 point season with a terrible goal difference.
Good enough for top 4, sure.
But when was the last time the league was won with 74 points?
As I said we have had progress, but impressive league form this really is not.
They are both bad but losing 7-0 to liverpool feels like a colossal gut punch to me because this is a game that matters for the fans and players.
I had hopes for a title challenge and with good reason. We only lost in the last minute versus Arsenal and we beat every other top side at Old Trafford. We showed spirit, progress and played some good football in between, our defense looked rock solid. But now all I can say is a good team doesn’t get beaten 7-0, a good team doesn’t have just a +6 goal difference. This result put us back in reality we are not a challenging team yet. The pure stats show us as pure mediocrity, we look to be punching above our weight. We scored a mere 41 goals, at this rate we are not getting 60 goals which is imo the absolute minimum a top side has to score in a league season.
I’m very curious to see if we have as much will power and spirit as I thought we had, if we don’t bounce back from this we haven’t progressed one bit. My confidence is shot. A night’s rest hasn’t helped my sentiments one bit. You could say I’m having a meltdown I would not dispute it. This was atrocious and shameful football from a group of players that I started to trust in.
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We are on course for a 75 point season. That is definitely not impressive. Mourinho managed once 81, while Ole 74. Both should have been sacked after those seasons (got sacked in the middle of the next one).
Considering that this is EtH's first season (and we were shit last season), it is definitely decent. But impressive? Let's not kid ourselves.
Impressive form doesn't mean you have to win the league by the way.
Also, we dropped 6 points in the first 2 games, so I was quite obviously excluding that.
Our league form has actually been impressive; we have lost (aside from the start of the season) against very good sides (Arsenal, City, and Liverpool all away) we also lost to Villa away too.
Our home form after Brighton we are unbeaten (having played Arsenal, City and Livepool, beating them all), winning all but 2 games and conceding the least amount of goals at home than any other team in the league.
Clearly we need to work on our away form in the bigger games, no one said we were the finished article, but this season has been impressive and that's why the team has been getting plaudits
Why should those be excluded though? They were games like any others.
But, I will humour you. Let's exclude them. In that case we would be in course for an 81 point season. Same as when Mourinho managed second and most of us wanted him gone. Again, it is not impressive at all.
It might not be THE most important domestic trophy but before football was about social media "banter" and fan channels, we measured success based on winning trophies
Most of us wanted him gone because his football was crap, the mood at the club was shit, he was ostracising some of our promising youth players (Shaw, Rashford, Martial) and he was coming out with all sorts of shite in his press conferences. None of these apply to EtH which is why even if we finish on less than 81 points, he’ll have a lot more leeway.
People are definitely overreacting, look at the fixtures left for us and and the teams around us, I'd definitely take ours,
Let's see what happens Thursday
Let's see what happens Thursday
And we still do measure success on winning trophies and the league cup has always been bottom of that pile.
when we were winning leagues and champions leagues I couldn’t care less if Liverpool won the league cup. Infact if we had battered Liverpool 7-0 and they were celebrating winning the league cup I’d have found it quite funny.
It is THE least important domestic trophy.
It might not be THE most important domestic trophy for Carabao Cup is like saying Afghanistan might not be THE most prosperous country.
As much as I don’t want it to be, this is where I am and that was before yesterdays game.
It might not be impressive to you, but it's impressive to me and a lot of others given the quite obvious squad deficiencies of the squad.
Also 81 points has won the league before and is only 6 points below the average league winning points total for all PL seasons 87 points. By statistics alone 81 points is an impressive season, its not the best but it is indeed impressive
Regarding Jose the main issue was the football style and not finishing 2nd, because from a points accumulation perspective in the league, it was actually an impressive season. Issue was the manner of which we lost in Europe and the rubbish football on display
If you want to say 81 points is not impressive league form though, that's up to you
I do not disagree with any of that. I think he has done a decent job, and getting top 4 and a small trophy was what I expected from him.
At the same time, I wouldn't lie to myself saying that this has been an impressive season. It hasn't. The table and the quality of football (or the lack of it) reflect that.
You know what was impressive. Chelsea finished 10th in 15-16 with 50 points, and a broken squad. Next season Conte took over, and they won the title with 93 points (+43 points). That is impressive!
Going from 58 to 75 (+17) is decent, but nothing to write songs about.
Does anybody have a list of how many games other PL teams have played since the World Cup? Something for somebody to do to take their mind off things.
By statistics alone, you win the title once in the last 10 years with 81 points. Twice in the last 20. Not impressive.
Also, to reach 81 points we need to exclude 2 defeats, and there is no reason to do so.
If 75 points is impressive to you, you are an easily impressed person.
There is obvious reason to do so given the context of the discussion, which was the fact since ETH got a hold of the team (post Brentford) the league form has been impressive, which it has.
It was 45 minutes of madness and nothing more. People will over analyse this and that but Neville was spot on when he says it’s a freak result.
What’s important is that the players don’t let this result affect them in the same way most fans seem to be doing. 3 points dropped, learn from the many mistakes and move on.
What’s important is that the players don’t let this result affect them in the same way most fans seem to be doing. 3 points dropped, learn from the many mistakes and move on.
I agree, but that squad had the likes of Cesc Fabregas, Diego Costa, Eden Hazard and a few other players who are top quality, and who had already won the league the year before. If anything the 10th position was false as it was a Jose Mourinho meltdown that got them there.
Conte's debut season was impressive nonetheless.
Of course, and 2.62 xG on these shots. I agree with that. Just wanted to correct you on the "on target" part.
You are assuming very boldly, and incorrectly. The poster has very clearly showed his support and appreciation of Ten Hag. I am also one of Ole's most ardent supporters and I also fully support Ten Hag. One has nothing to do with the other.