Our form since the restart...WWWWWWWDLWWWWDWDWWWWL…WDWW (also the calm down thread)

Last night it hurt because it was raw and in the moment but it is history now and you move on, cannot afford to dwell on it.

Problem we have now is we live in an age of instant overreaction and hype to the slightest things, it is one of the reasons I came off social media as it is too much. The influence media seems to have on people is scary as well. Results like this can happen but you have a worldwide fanbase that go OTT at the slightest issue and a toxic media that are itching to jump all over it.

Will be a week of the same clickbait articles peddling the same uncredited reports with little or no substance and the sheeple will all lap it up as gospel.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
It completely depends on how we respond and where we end up at the end of the season. An isolated battering in an otherwise very good season ultimately doesn't really matter much. I am honestly not that worried about our form after this, I think ETH and the team have shown this season that they can overcome setbacks.
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It also depends how you want to look at it.

We’re not going to win the league. Does this result have any bearing on that? Probably not but if we had won we were “still in it”. But the same would have applied whoever we were playing, we needed to win to stay in touch and have an outside chance of closing that gap. So ultimately it’s just three points innit?

We might finish Top 4 (probably) and add another cup win (probably not). And we lost 7-0 - our heaviest ever defeat - to our fiercest rivals. But it’s just three points innit? I can never look at that way. I will not remember a league cup and Top 4 in 20 years but I will remember this 7-0 battering. That’s how I look at it.
 
the gafferjs said:
Last night it hurt because it was raw and in the moment but it is history now and you move on, cannot afford to dwell on it.

Problem we have now is we live in an age of instant overreaction and hype to the slightest things, it is one of the reasons I came off social media as it is too much. The influence media seems to have on people is scary as well. Results like this can happen but you have a worldwide fanbase that go OTT at the slightest issue and a toxic media that are itching to jump all over it.

Will be a week of the same clickbait articles peddling the same uncredited reports with little or no substance and the sheeple will all lap it up as gospel.
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It’s not really an overreaction to be furious about our worst ever defeat.
 
OrcaFat said:
I will not remember a league cup and Top 4 in 20 years but I will remember this 7-0 battering. That’s how I look at it.
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I mean the reality is you'll remember both. That's how memory works.

I still remember our league cup win in 2006 and the fact that Saha started, Ruud van Nistelrooy didn't and was furious that he didn't. We came 3rd that year. We won 4-0 against Wigan.

Significant events (like trophies as well as heavy losses) are easier to recall.
 
georgipep said:
You are assuming very boldly, and incorrectly. The poster has very clearly showed his support and appreciation of Ten Hag. I am also one of Ole's most ardent supporters and I also fully support Ten Hag. One has nothing to do with the other.
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I mean, unless you know the inner workings of his mind then I'm not sure how you can be so certain?

I can see why you're getting involved though, cos you are both in the same boat (maybe both Norwegian too?) - didn't want to see Ole leave and so you get a semi-on when things go badly for his replacement. I remember you on the Casemiro red card thread enjoying telling everyone what a definite red card it was.
 
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Rusholme Ruffian said:
I mean, unless you know the inner workings of his mind then I'm not sure how you can be so certain?
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Same applies to you. Difference is I'm not accusing him of anything.

If you are a fanboy who can only support one manager (past or present), do not project that onto others.
 
The Corinthian said:
I mean the reality is you'll remember both. That's how memory works.

I still remember our league cup win in 2006 and the fact that Saha started, Ruud van Nistelrooy didn't and was furious that he didn't. We came 3rd that year. We won 4-0 against Wigan.

Significant events (like trophies as well as heavy losses) are easier to recall.
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Crikey you have a better memory than me. My tiny brain can’t hold onto it all and the painful memories seem to squeeze out some of the good ones.
 
OrcaFat said:
Crikey you have a better memory than me. My tiny brain can’t hold onto it all and the painful memories seem to squeeze out some of the good ones.
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Well to be honest, my memory of our successes in the early 90s is beginning to get a little hazy without the use of Wikipedia/Google these days.
 
georgipep said:
Same applies to you. Difference is I'm not accusing him of anything.
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Well, I am formulating my own opinion using empirical evidence - and you are telling me that I'm definitely wrong.

georgipep said:
If you are a fanboy who can only support one manager (past or present), do not project that onto others.
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If I came from The Netherlands, joined the forum at the same time that ETH joined the club, and spent 3 years making every excuse for him under the sun, whilst calling out anybody that criticised him, then maybe that comparison would be valid.
 
Calm down? Nahhhh. I've struggled through work all day. For years now , they have been cleaning up everything while we we've been an absolute laughing stock. Felt like the dynamic was finally shifting and this was supposed to be OUR time to beat them. Easily. Instead we got tonked, humiliated and all their 'banter' players got in on the action. Klopp laughing and even Firmino got a sweet send off.

The way we lost (7-0 ffs) and single-handily saved their season and gave them someone to hold over us, has left a bitter, bitter taste in my mouth. I don't think we can just sweep this one under the rug. It's making me angry even typing this.

It's not acceptable at all.
 
Revan said:
It is THE least important domestic trophy.

It might not be THE most important domestic trophy for Carabao Cup is like saying Afghanistan might not be THE most prosperous country.
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It's not the 'least important', most fans would consider the Community Shield less important, then you also have the minor trophies that the EFL clubs compete for.

Plus, even if it the 'least important', the fact is every single club in the entire country would rather win it than not win it. Surely that goes without saying?
 
Zlatan 7 said:
And we still do measure success on winning trophies and the league cup has always been bottom of that pile.

when we were winning leagues and champions leagues I couldn’t care less if Liverpool won the league cup. Infact if we had battered Liverpool 7-0 and they were celebrating winning the league cup I’d have found it quite funny.
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See, I'd find it quite funny if a team sat in 5th place, who were out of all of the domestic cups and who just got embarrassed at home in Europe were celebrating winning a home game against the team in 3rd....

If you take the tribalism out of it, we're having a far better season than them, and one result doesn't change that.

Let me be the first to say, I have given Liverpool tonnes of credit for their achievements over the last few seasons...but I think their more sensible supporters will recognise that whilst yesterdays' result was great for them and embarrassing for us, one result doesn't paper over the cracks of what is a disappointing season for them and a positive one for us
 
Lentwood said:
It's not the 'least important', most fans would consider the Community Shield less important, then you also have the minor trophies that the EFL clubs compete for.

Plus, even if it the 'least important', the fact is every single club in the entire country would rather win it than not win it. Surely that goes without saying?
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I thought that Community Shield is not really considered an official trophy. A bit like Emirates Cup and other friendly competitions.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Well, I am formulating my own opinion using empirical evidence - and you are telling me that I'm definitely wrong.


If I came from The Netherlands, joined the forum at the same time that ETH joined the club, and spent 3 years making every excuse for him under the sun, whilst calling out anybody that criticised him, then maybe that comparison would be valid.
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Can you show me your empirical evidence?

If you think that being from Norway means you can't support non-Norwegian managers, I'd say you are extremely limited as a person.
 
Revan said:
I thought that Community Shield is not really considered an official trophy. A bit like Emirates Cup and other friendly competitions.
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It is usually counted amongst trophies, yes. And it's a shit one, it's a glorified friendly. The League cup is better, though it's clearly low in the rankings.
 
Lentwood said:
See, I'd find it quite funny if a team sat in 5th place, who were out of all of the domestic cups and who just got embarrassed at home in Europe were celebrating winning a home game against the team in 3rd....

If you take the tribalism out of it, we're having a far better season than them, and one result doesn't change that.

Let me be the first to say, I have given Liverpool tonnes of credit for their achievements over the last few seasons...but I think their more sensible supporters will recognise that whilst yesterdays' result was great for them and embarrassing for us, one result doesn't paper over the cracks of what is a disappointing season for them and a positive one for us
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It’s only disappointing to them because they’ve come to expect more. Do you seriously think they envy us for winning the carling cup or being in the Europa league. We haven’t won anything else yet and both could or could not make top four.

also the bolded is just reducing what happened again, it wasn’t just winning a home game, it was a record breaking embarrrsment.

I just disagreed with they’d swap seasons with us; they’ve played in/still in the champions league, can still get top four, beat us 7-0, they’re just out of the 2 domestic cups. Maybe 7 years ago they would have swapped but not now.
 
We're still looking really good for doing the 'Liverpool Quadruple' this year, with the added bonus of having a Europa in there too.

Most of us would have taken that at the start of the season.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
are you a teacher? :lol:



Nowhere have I said that, but carry on!
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You claim to be formulating opinion based on empirical evidence. It doesn't seem like it.

Then you try to make an argument about being from the same nationality as the manager to justify any position. If my assumed connection to that is incorrect, what is the connection and relevance of that?
 
georgipep said:
You claim to be formulating opinion based on empirical evidence. It doesn't seem like it.

Then you try to make an argument about being from the same nationality as the manager to justify any position. If my assumed connection to that is incorrect, what is the connection and relevance of that?
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Dude, why are you getting your kickers in a twist on behalf of someone else - has it touched a raw nerve with you too? Empirical evidence as in stuff I have read with my own eyes - I'm not going to go and compile a dossier for you :wenger:

And my argument was that IF you happen to be Norwegian, AND appear on the site just as OGS gets appointed, and then spend all your time on here banging on about him, then don't be surprised if people wonder whether those things are in any way connected.
 
Form since the World Cup has been nothing short of incredible - especially given how many games they've had to play.

Result yesterday won't change how much progress we've made under Ten Hag. So much to be positive about this season and we've still got a long way to go.
 
Roux said:
Form since the World Cup has been nothing short of incredible - especially given how many games they've had to play.

Result yesterday won't change how much progress we've made under Ten Hag. So much to be positive about this season and we've still got a long way to go.
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Well Said!
 
Lentwood said:
See, I'd find it quite funny if a team sat in 5th place, who were out of all of the domestic cups and who just got embarrassed at home in Europe were celebrating winning a home game against the team in 3rd....

If you take the tribalism out of it, we're having a far better season than them, and one result doesn't change that.

Let me be the first to say, I have given Liverpool tonnes of credit for their achievements over the last few seasons...but I think their more sensible supporters will recognise that whilst yesterdays' result was great for them and embarrassing for us, one result doesn't paper over the cracks of what is a disappointing season for them and a positive one for us
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Liverpool's season is so strange. Everyone thought they were back when they rinsed Bournemouth 9-0. So weird that they can score 16 goals in two games this season, yet be absolutely shit in loads of the games between them.
 
Its a painful defeat no doubt. I'll reserve any real judgement on it until the end of the season though. We had a bad game and Liverpool really looked like their old selves in the second half. I know we have enjoyed laughing at their struggles but you'd have to be an idiot to not understand that they are still amongst the best 2 teams in the League. Make no mistake, if 'this' Liverpool show up against Arsenal they'll easily swat them aside too. You don't go from challenging for every trophy to being shite in the space of a few months.

ETH and the team have done some great things. Hell we are still in with a shot of 2 more trophies. If he gets top 4 (I honestly think Liverpool will get 3rd) then this result, while awful, will be an afterthought. I always thought we are 3 summers away from being where we need to be. The progress this season has been amazing but I still think we need 2 more summers of transfers before we don't have to worry about taking the odd beating off City and Liverpool. We are miles better than we were last year and one rather freakish result doesn't change that. However we have a lot of work to do to reach the level that I believe ETH wants us to be at ultimately.
 
sparx99 said:
There is no excuse for the second half but it looked like a team suffering mental fatigue to me. We’ve just won three big games in knockout competitions after a really busy fixture list.

This strangely was our least important game by some margin. We have a comfortable gap in the top 4 and just need to get back to business.

ETH is going to have to work on these big away games as we’ve not really been all that competitive. Arsenal, City and Liverpool away have seen had concede 16 goals is it? That’s kind of crazy.
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I think in a way its excusable because the fatigue has obviously been piling on and a result like this has been coming. Even in the game against Newcastle, we didn't really play well at all, we were just able to grind the result out. In my opinion a lot of our recent victories have been that way, we've been controlling games less and less, and just by the eye test have been pressing less as each game has gone on. As of now, we don't really have the squad for a fixture list like the one we have. I agree that this wasn't really an important game because were pretty well set at third, unless you wanted us to be in the title race. However, I doubt anyone genuinely expected a title race to be on in the summer. My whole point is that its a freak result, no point freaking out calling for anyone's heads, now's the time to steady on and move on to the next game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Liverpool's season is so strange. Everyone thought they were back when they rinsed Bournemouth 9-0. So weird that they can score 16 goals in two games this season, yet be absolutely shit in loads of the games between them.
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I just want them to be shit against us one time.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Dude, why are you getting your kickers in a twist on behalf of someone else - has it touched a raw nerve with you too? Empirical evidence as in stuff I have read with my own eyes - I'm not going to go and compile a dossier for you :wenger:

And my argument was that IF you happen to be Norwegian, AND appear on the site just as OGS gets appointed, and then spend all your time on here banging on about him, then don't be surprised if people wonder whether those things are in any way connected.
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So, confirmed, you are talking out of your arse
 
Lost 1 game in 12 and people are losing their heads! Obviously i get it’s because we got destroyed 7-0 and that should never ever happen to us no matter who we’re playing but that won’t define our season. We’ll still finish top 4 and we’re still in 2 other competitions. Let’s focus ahead and look at the bigger picture.
 
The Corinthian said:
I mean the reality is you'll remember both. That's how memory works.

I still remember our league cup win in 2006 and the fact that Saha started, Ruud van Nistelrooy didn't and was furious that he didn't. We came 3rd that year. We won 4-0 against Wigan.

Significant events (like trophies as well as heavy losses) are easier to recall.
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Funnily enough I'd forgotten about that one and I was there, RvN had a big strop if I recall correctly
 
I remember laughing hard when they lost 2-7 to Villa. I guess this is called karma, I learned my lesson but as usual, way too late.
 
Roux said:
Form since the World Cup has been nothing short of incredible - especially given how many games they've had to play.

Result yesterday won't change how much progress we've made under Ten Hag. So much to be positive about this season and we've still got a long way to go.
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Correct it won't change how much progress has been made but it will change (or should) opinions on certain players, some of them gave up and that is not ever acceptable no matter who you are
 
wangyu said:
I remember laughing hard when they lost 2-7 to Villa. I guess this is called karma, I learned my lesson but as usual, way too late.
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We lost 6-1 at home hours before they lost 7-2 to Villa that same day.
 
I honestly feel last night was a fifa game where everything goes wrong. We win the ball back, player slips, ball rolls to LFC player, we tackle again, ball ricochets back to LFC player and they score. It just kept happening over and over again. Yes our shape and lineup was messed up and players were making uncharacteristic mistakes but I genuinely think we will stop 4-5 of those goals on any other day.

IMO the big test is how the players and managers respond in then next game. If we see those mistakes again and we lose, I fear we might go into tailspin. Avoid a slip up and we shut up the nay sayers for a bit
 
If you think back to 2009, Old Trafford, United v Liverpool... 1-4, Stevie G kissing cameras, scousers and other fans loving it up. Awful day.

What shut them up? Well we obviously won the League. Suddenly getting battered off your biggest rival means very little when you finish the season as the more successful side.

Which is now what we have to do. The League cup was nice but it's hardly going to be something to boast about. We're not going to win the League either so we need to take the other two cups as seriously as possible and aim for a cup treble while hopefully Liverpool finish outside the top 4 and have to reflect onthesole highlight of their season was getting 3 points against United...

How we react now will tell us far more about this side that anything.
 
Tell you what, on Wednesday night before the West Ham game, there was a lot of back slapping and a general feeling like we had made it back to the promised land. First with the players lifting the EFL trophy on the pitch (no problem with that) But then Casemiro with his fifa award from when he played for Madrid. Then De Gea for the most clean sheets (Oh, the irony) And while all these celebrations were going on, there was a part of me thinking, "Watch West Ham hammer us now."

And I was thinking that because I know we are not there yet. Look at our goal difference. Look at our reliance on loan players who aren't really top class. We don't have a striker? We are heavily reliant on our defence, and it has got us across the line so many times this season. Rashford has been slightly off the boil since he got that knock against Barcelona. And I bet he is playing with pain killing injections.

This might seem perverse, but that humbling at Liverpool has immediately put a stop to all that back slapping and hype. Not only does it focus the mind of the players and the coaching team, it shows us where we are, and where we need to be.

Winning a trophy and getting 3rd is still a great season, considering where we were. But I think we will see a big reaction against Betis, and it might be the kick up the backside that gets us to the end of the season with a boost of energy, maybe even another trophy?
 
OrcaFat said:
I just want them to be shit against us one time.
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That game yesterday was so fecking weird thinking back on it now. Obviously we are limited in spots (De Gea playing out from the back, Weghorst) but we really lost because it felt like we couldn't win a single 50/50 ball or duel. EVERYTHING bounced back to them and every challenge seemed to go their way. Whether that was luck/us being leggy and tired/ a bit of both, I'm not sure. But besides Salah I didn't even think they were that great, and then we let in a goal on either side of half time and half of our feckwit players lose their composure and fed right into them and the game was gone.
 
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